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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: AlexStewart on Saturday 28 July 07 11:38 BST (UK)
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I should welcome communicating with anyone who is also researching the STEWART families who came to Ireland in the early 1600s during the Plantation and went west to lands in Donegal. In particular, the Stewarts who went to Ards near Dunfanaghy, to Horn Head in the same area, and to Ramelton.
Alex
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I was in Ramelton Genealogy Centre a week ago and they are hosting an exhibition on the history of Ramelton which includes reference to the Stewart family who were prominent in the growth of the town and area.
I have also visited Kilmacrennan Presbyterian Church which is near Milford. From memory there are gravestones in the name of Stewart in the attached graveyard.
I am not investigating the Stewart family myself so I did not take too much notice - hope this is some help
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Thank you, Jnws, for your information about the exhibition in Ramelton. I know the place well and was there in April, but alas I am now far from that pleasant area. However, I take note of your point and may well reach people there I know if not away on holiday! Your other point about the Presbyterian church is a useful reminder, as I tend to think of the Stewarts of Donegal as in the Church of Ireland. Thanks again. Alex
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Alex
Have you seen this site and references to Stewart/Ramelton ?
http://members.aol.com/lochlan2/donegal8.htm
rgds
John
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Yes, I have seen it, John. Thanks for noting it: I will have another careful look at the Stewarts mentioned.
Alex
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Alex ,
i have a Stewart connection with Donegal - Killybure[Wilsons Fort]. My David McClure rented two blocks off Charles Edward Stewart and Mrs. Stewart as listed in Griffiths Valuations of 1857.
Does your Patton line have any connection to Hopkins, Moody or Moore surnames?
These are spousal names in my Shannon family research.
Cheers
Jack Gee
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Alex ,
i have a Stewart connection with Donegal - Killybure[Wilsons Fort]. My David McClure rented two blocks off Charles Edward Stewart and Mrs. Stewart as listed in Griffiths Valuations of 1857.
Does your Patton line have any connection to Hopkins, Moody or Moore surnames?
These are spousal names in my Shannon family research.
Cheers
Jack Gee
Yes, Jack. Moore is the connection with Patton. Have a look at a message I sent an hour ago about the Pattons of Croaghan House. William had three daughters: Mary Anne, Dorothea and Rebecca. Rebecca married William Moore of Umrycam in 1817.
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sites
http://www.cyberus.ca/~bharvey/plantation.htm
www.donegalcoco.ie/media/donegalcountyc/heritage/pdfs/plantationarchitectureandlandscapeboolet.pdf
if you go through google or one of the search eng. and put in the search box, Stewart plantaion in dunfanaghy in 1600 lots of articles come up.
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oh dear missed a K out
www.donegalcoco.ie/media/donegalcountyc/heritage/pdfs/plantationarchitectureandlandscapebooklet.pdf
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sites
http://www.cyberus.ca/~bharvey/plantation.htm
www.donegalcoco.ie/media/donegalcountyc/heritage/pdfs/plantationarchitectureandlandscapeboolet.pdf
if you go through google or one of the search eng. and put in the search box, Stewart plantaion in dunfanaghy in 1600 lots of articles come up.
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Thank you, Rathmore. Interesting pointers there. Are you familiar with Jonathan Bardon's excellent books: The Plantation of Ulster and The History of Ulster?
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http://donegalgenealogy.com/1901dunfanaghy.htm
Hi there are is a Thomas Stewart on this this Census Port Road not sure if it is your relative. I came across it while searching for my McNutt's.
Andrew McNutt rented 5 acres & 5 perches of land from Alex JR Stewart in Figart Clondahorky Parish this is on the 1857 Griffiths Valuation
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http://donegalgenealogy.com/1901dunfanaghy.htm
Hi there are is a Thomas Stewart on this this Census Port Road not sure if it is your relative. I came across it while searching for my McNutt's.
Andrew McNutt rented 5 acres & 5 perches of land from Alex JR Stewart in Figart Clondahorky Parish this is on the 1857 Griffiths Valuation
No, Thomas is not mine. I have access to the census but thanks for the list.
May I ask you if you know of Samuel McNutt who is at Glinsk? If so, please send me a private message.
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Hi Alex,
I have sent a Pm although I as yet have no one in my tree called Samuel
Martty
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I just discovered "RootsChat" and so don't know quite how it works as yet. I have been researching my STEWART ancestors for many years now. My g-g-grandfather, Thomas Stewart (1818-1904) immigrated from the Ramelton, Co. Donegal area ca. 1828/9 through Philadelphia, PA to Armstrong Co., PA and there married in 1848 Elizabeth Brown (1821-1912) in Zion church, Shannondale, Clarion Co., PA. I believe Elizabeth Brown's family also came from the same general Ireland location. The family, along with other similar immigrant families, migrated from Armstrong/Clarion Co's., PA to the Scott Co., Iowa area en-masse, and many inter-related marriages ensued. After the Civil War, in which Thomas and many of his fellow Irish immigrants served, many of these families then moved on to Nebraska, Kansas, and points west in a group where they claimed "bounty lands" for their military service. These families include STEWART, BROWN, ENGLISH, MOORE, MCFATE, DAVIES, PORTER, WRAY, GALBRAITHE, and many more. I would be very interested in exchanging research of these families with anyone interested.
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Congratulations Jack on your first post on the excellent Rootschat forum. You mentioned many names and places, but I am particularly interested in your great great grandfather Thomas Stewart born in Ramelton in 1818. I wonder who his parents were. I wonder whether he had a brother named Alexander. I spoke to an elderly chap called McGarvey some years ago in Cashelmore who told me that the Stewarts in Cashelmore, Ards, came from Ramelton. If he is right then my great great grandfather, Alexander, came from Ramelton.
I am also interested in your points about PA and Armstrong county as I know of ancestors who were connected with that area, but not Stewarts. There is much material available on the early history of that area. Perhaps you would write to me by private message if you wish.
Regards
Alexander Stewart
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G'day, Alex, & thanks for the speedy response to my query! There might be a good possibility we are related thru these and other Stewarts, then, as I have collected more than a few possible relatives named "Alexander," or "Alex," one of them named William Alexander Stewart, who is living in the same place as my g-g-grandfather Thomas and other ancestors there in Scott Co., IA, after the bunch of them moved there from Armstrong (later Clarion Co., PA):
Example:
1854 IA State Census of Le Claire Twp., Scott Co., IA [all neighbors]:
Samuel More [Moore], 4 males, 4 females, 1 alien, total 8 persons
William A. [ALEXANDER--jms] Stewart, 6 males, 3 females, 1 naturalized, total 9 persons
Samuel Wilson, 6 males, 2 females, 8 aliens, total 8 persons
John More [Moore], 4 males, 6 females, 1 militia, 1 naturalized, total 10 persons
James Brown, 7 males, 3 females, 1 naturalized, total 10 persons
THOMAS STEWART, 3 males, 2 females, 1 ALIEN [sic], total 5 persons
Nathaniel Wilson, 1 male, 1 militia
William Jamison, 1 male, 1 female, total 2 persons
James Wilson, 4 males, 3 females, total 7 persons.
These families (and many, many more) are all intermarried and tended to travel in related groups of cousins/uncles, etc.
Other associated families are PORTER, WILSON, SIMPSON, HIRL, WRAY, CAMPBELL, (LOTS with given names "FINLEY") etc. I have a ton of them waiting to be sorted out.
Since you suggested it, and I'd very much prefer it, we might just change to corresponding privately.
Best regards,
Jack
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Alex please remember that new members can not access the pm function with only 1 post, Jack has now posted again so will now be able to access the pm's but maybe with him being new it would be easier for you.
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you, Sarah, for your helpful reminder. I had not been in this position before!
Regards
Alex
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Interesting discussion. My Stewart family has roots in Ramelton going back to about 1800, when a Thomas Stewart was listed owning the Roughan, my grandfather's farm just outside Ramelton. I have not, however, been able to link my Stewart ancestors back to any of the Ulster planters, so I just don't know where these Stewarts might have sprung from.
On my mother's side (also from Donegal) I have Babingtons in the early 1800s back to Brutus Babington, Bishop of Derry and beyond.
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Thomas
Thank you for your most interesting first post. I was very pleased to read it.
My Stewarts also have a Ramelton connection. From a non-Stewart line I too trace back ancestors via your Babington line. I think it will be best if I send you a private message so that you can write more detail to my e-mail address.
Alexander
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Welcome to RootsChat, Thomas :)
If you make at least one more post, then AlexStewart will be able to exchange e-mail addresses by using the PM system.
I think it will be best if I send you a private message so that you can write more detail to my e-mail address.
See https://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
KG
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Kiltaglasssan and Thomas
I am writing again to Thomas to ask a question that may help to move this on to private messaging.
Thomas, would you please let me know who was your Babington ancestor in 1800? He or she may well be our first link.
Regards
Alexander
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.
regards,
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.
regards,
Hello, Thomas.
Thank you for that information. Yes, I know about Murray Babington who lived at Bonnyglen in Donegal. His father Humphrey had a brother Revd. William Babington 1713-1777, and he is an ancestor of mine. Therefore we are connected! I shall now write a private message to you with more detail.
Regards
Alex
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Thank you, Alexander. Seems we are distant cousins ;) I will watch for your email.
Thomas
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Thomas
I have written you a long PM but it seems it has not been sent and appears to be lost although I ticked to leave a copy! I have never experienced that before!
So I am sending a couple of short questions. Is your Murray Babington the chap who married Mary Heron Gordon in Dumfries in 1788? The same person died in Bonny Glen, Inver, Donegal in 1839 aged 88.
You wrote that his father was Humphrey. Where did that information come from? I have Murray the son of The Revd. William Babington and Dorothea Campbell. Murray’s first child was named Dorothea.
Enough for now. I hope you get this, and I trust we can move to personal messaging soon!
Regards
Alexander
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I just discovered "RootsChat" and so don't know quite how it works as yet. I have been researching my STEWART ancestors for many years now. My g-g-grandfather, Thomas Stewart (1818-1904) immigrated from the Ramelton, Co. Donegal area ca. 1828/9 through Philadelphia, PA to Armstrong Co., PA and there married in 1848 Elizabeth Brown (1821-1912) in Zion church, Shannondale, Clarion Co., PA. I believe Elizabeth Brown's family also came from the same general Ireland location. The family, along with other similar immigrant families, migrated from Armstrong/Clarion Co's., PA to the Scott Co., Iowa area en-masse, and many inter-related marriages ensued. After the Civil War, in which Thomas and many of his fellow Irish immigrants served, many of these families then moved on to Nebraska, Kansas, and points west in a group where they claimed "bounty lands" for their military service. These families include STEWART, BROWN, ENGLISH, MOORE, MCFATE, DAVIES, PORTER, WRAY, GALBRAITHE, and many more. I would be very interested in exchanging research of these families with anyone interested.
Just FYI..
WRAY Will
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSHS-RNFK?i=347&cat=185720
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Wm Wray's Will 1710
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6V-59M2-F?i=16&cat=185720
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Wm Babbington's Will 1736
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSHS-T9VN?i=338&cat=185720
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.
regards,
Thomas,
I should have added to my last post that I believe you are now able to send
a PM having sent three posts. I look forward to hearing from you on my e-mail and we can write more extensively.
Regards Alexander
Hello, Thomas.
Thank you for that information. Yes, I know about Murray Babington who lived at Bonnyglen in Donegal. His father Humphrey had a brother Revd. William Babington 1713-1777, and he is an ancestor of mine. Therefore we are connected! I shall now write a private message to you with more detail.
Regards
Alex
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Your Rev Richard?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-99BY-G?i=505&cat=185720
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Hello Alex
"Is your Murray Babington the chap who married Mary Heron Gordon..."
Yes, that is the one, although I did not know the marriage actually took place in Dumfries, Scotland but that does stand to reason given that Mary Heron Gordon's father was from that part of Scotland. Interestingly, I have Mary Heron Gordon's mother as a "Margaret Stewart" but know nothing of her antecedents nor of any connection to the other Stewarts on my father's side.
Murray and Mary had three daughters, as I understand, and I trace my descent from Patricia Babington.
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Thank you, Hallmark.
Thanks for the heads up about a Thomas Stewart emigrating from Ramelton to Philadelphia in 1818. There was a lot of emigration from Ireland to the Philadelphia area, including both sides of my own family.
My mother tells a story that when my father's mother was out on her big trip to visit America, she got talking about family with my mother's brother (who had come over from Donegal and lived just outside Philadelphia), and when she mentioned that her grandmother had been a "McCoach" my uncle said there were McCoaches from Donegal just up the road--and sure enough it was a long lost cousin of granny Stewart's she hadn't seen for decades.
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Hallmark, Thank you for the pointers to the wills. According to the info I have seen, William Wray is very likely one of my ancestors so that will is very likely pertinent to me. I will have to study them closely to sort out if they are my actual people or come from other branches.
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Sorry Alex, it looks like I missed your other question:
"You wrote that his father was Humphrey. Where did that information come from? I have Murray the son of The Revd. William Babington and Dorothea Campbell. Murray’s first child was named Dorothea."
I was gleaning my information on Murray Babington came from a website called "The Peerage"
http://www.thepeerage.com/p68722.htm#i687211
I honestly don't know how accurate the information on that site is or how it gets posted/reviewed so it is entirely possible that my information is in error.
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Hallmark, Thank you for the pointers to the wills. According to the info I have seen, William Wray is very likely one of my ancestors so that will is very likely pertinent to me. I will have to study them closely to sort out if they are my actual people or come from other branches.
Didn't study them too much! ;D
Hope you get some clues!
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Sorry Alex, it looks like I missed your other question:
"You wrote that his father was Humphrey. Where did that information come from? I have Murray the son of The Revd. William Babington and Dorothea Campbell. Murray’s first child was named Dorothea."
I was gleaning my information on Murray Babington came from a website called "The Peerage"
http://www.thepeerage.com/p68722.htm#i687211
I honestly don't know how accurate the information on that site is or how it gets posted/reviewed so it is entirely possible that my information is in error.
Hello again Thomas
Have another look at the Peerage site you mentioned above. You will notice there is a serious error as it refers to Murray Babington as born circa 1777, but it also states he married Mary Gordon in 1788. The first date is clearly wrong; the marriage date is correct!
I shall send you later a short PM so that you can then write an e-mail.
Regards
Alexander
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Just FYI...
Here lieth the remains of
Murray Babington Esq
Who departed this life 3 Sep 1810 aged 83
And Mary Heron Babington
Died 3 Jan 1811 aged 71 years
sOURCE http://donegalgenealogy.com/oldinverGY.htm
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Thank you, Hallmark, for posting those dates which point to their birth dates also.
That is helpful.
Alexander
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Saves him of being accused of marrying when he was 11 years old!! ;D
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Saves him of being accused of marrying when he was 11 years old!! ;D
Quite right, Hallmark. Well put! I believe he was born in 1756 and married at 32.
Alexander
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"...there is a serious error as it refers to Murray Babington as born circa 1777, but it also states he married Mary Gordon in 1788..."
Murray Babington Esq, Who departed this life 3 Sep 1810 aged 83 would have been born 1727
so is 1777 a typo and should be 1727 ??
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The Murray Babington I have in mind died in 1839 in Bonnyglen, Inver. That was reported in the Londonderry Sentinel. He was the chap who married Mary Heron Gordon in 1788. That is the person Thomas referred to as his ancestor. He has added that he descends from their daughter Patricia. I can only assume that the Murray Babington who died in 1810 was a different person.
Alexander
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No problem.
Mary Heron Babington who Died 3 Jan 1811 aged 71 years can't be Mary Heron Gordon so.
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.
regards,
Hello, Thomas.
Thank you for that information. Yes, I know about Murray Babington who lived at Bonnyglen in Donegal. His father Humphrey had a brother Revd. William Babington 1713-1777, and he is an ancestor of mine. Therefore we are connected! I shall now write a private message to you with more detail.
Regards
Alex
I am writing to highlight a correction to one point above which has been made elsewhere. I had accepted Thomas’ statement at first that Murray was the son of Humphrey Babington. He was, in fact, the son of The Revd. William Babington and his wife Dorothea. One of Murray’s children was called Dorothea. Another link is Dumfries where Murray married Mary in 1788, and where his brother was the Rector in the Church of Scotland.
Alex
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your reply.
My Babingtons in Donegal in 1800 would be Murray Babington, youngest son of Humphrey Babington.
regards,
Hello, Thomas.
Thank you for that information. Yes, I know about Murray Babington who lived at Bonnyglen in Donegal. His father Humphrey had a brother Revd. William Babington 1713-1777, and he is an ancestor of mine. Therefore we are connected! I shall now write a private message to you with more detail.
Regards
Alex
I am writing to highlight a correction to one point above which has been made elsewhere. I had accepted Thomas’ statement at first that Murray was the son of Humphrey Babington. He was, in fact, the son of The Revd. William Babington and his wife Dorothea. One of Murray’s children was called Dorothea. Another link is Dumfries where Murray married Mary in 1788, and where his brother was the Rector in the Church of Scotland.
Alex
Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Alex. It seems that there is no possibility of Patricia Babington being an ancestor of mine, and as yet I cannot find any other documentary trail that would lead to my Hamilton ancestors from the Babingtons of Bonny Glen or anywhere else at this point. "James Babington Hamilton" and "Babington Hamilton", who do appear in the records, may be Hamiltons without an identifiable Babington forbear.
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Thinking completely outside the box....
John Lowry married secondly Jane, daughter of Sir Hugh Hamilton, of Ballfatton co. Tyrone.....
....This Townland appears to have remained in the family just over 100 years. On the occasion of a fine and recovery of the estate being suffered in Michaelmas term 1795, after my grandfather came of age, the parties being Armar Viscount Belmore, and the Hon. Somerset Lowry Corry, his eldest son and heir, and Mr David Babington (a solicitor in Dublin)
....Lord Belmore and Mr Corry acknowledged the premises ‘to be the right of David Babington, as those which is said David Babington had the gift of them.”
It is possible a connection exists among this lot....
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https://cotyrone.com/estates/manor2.html
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You probably have this....
Marriage Inver Church, Thursday 1st August 1839 DOCTOR HAMILTON, of Newtownstewart, to PATRICIA, youngest daughter of MURRAY BABINGTON, ESQ., Bonny Glen
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You probably have this....
Marriage Inver Church, Thursday 1st August 1839 DOCTOR HAMILTON, of Newtownstewart, to PATRICIA, youngest daughter of MURRAY BABINGTON, ESQ., Bonny Glen
Yes, but therein lies the rub, as the date of 1839 for Patricia Babington's marriage to this James Hamilton conflicts with the 1845 date of a marriage record I have for my great-great grandparents who were married at the Taughboyne Parish church (which I believe is St. Lugadius in Lifford, Donegal). It records the marriage of a "Robert Hamilton" son of "James Babington Hamilton" and I had assumed that James Babington Hamilton would have been the son of Patricia and James Hamilton M.D., but the timelines don't support that, given the conflicting dates of 1839 and 1845.
Thank you for checking though.
It would be great to find the baptism records for James Babington Hamilton recording his parents, or even his own marriage record, but they are likely lost.
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Marriage of "Elizabeth Hamilton" dau of "James Babington Hamilton", a minor, 1853
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Marriage Inver Church, Thursday 1st August 1839 DOCTOR HAMILTON, of Newtownstewart, to PATRICIA, youngest daughter of MURRAY BABINGTON, ESQ., Bonny Glen
Marriage of "Elizabeth Hamilton" dau of "James Babington Hamilton", a minor, 1853
When she was 13 or 14??
??
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I attached the PDF but it is not showing... renamed it and trying again!!
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I attached the PDF but it is not showing... renamed it and trying again!!
Thanks, I have seen that marriage on-line and a couple of other references to James Babington Hamilton, and then to someone named "Babington Hamilton" who must be his son, given the chronology of references. Elizabeth Hamilton would likely have been a sister of my great-great grandfather.
What I cannot locate are earlier records, such as the marriage of James Babington Hamilton's parents which might provide the link to the Babingtons, assuming there is one.
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I only posted it as it helps others when they see an actual record that Dr Hamilton/Patricia can't be the parents.
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Legal papers relating to property in Derry, City of the Porter, Babington, Gibson and Greer families and to property in Craig, Co. Derry of the Handcock family, and to lands in Fahan, Co. Donegal of the Babington family, 1760 - 1929.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 983
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Recovery of lands in Dromore, Co. Donegal, Babington V. Young, Nov. 3, 1788.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, D. 20,207
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Fee farm deed of a tenement in Dunfanaghy, W. Wray and C. Wray, Nov., 1779. Conveyance of tenements in Omagh, Rev. J. Mc Causland, Drumcree, Co. Meath to D. Babington, May, 1797. Surrender of same to Col. M. Archdall Mervyn, May, 1797.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 348 (3 - 5)
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Copy of a deed creating tenant to the praecipe, Rev. J. Lowry, 1st part, J. Lowry, 2nd part, D. Babington, 3rd part, J. Buchanan, 4th part, June 21, 1794.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, T. 962 (25)
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Volume of pedigrees of the Steele, Madden, Molyneux, Cooke, Eccles, Paterson, Leslie, Babington and other families, from the Enniskillen area, 17th - 19th c.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, T. 1185
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Thomas
Thank you for your most interesting first post. I was very pleased to read it.
My Stewarts also have a Ramelton connection. From a non-Stewart line I too trace back ancestors via your Babington line. I think it will be best if I send you a private message so that you can write more detail to my e-mail address.
Alexander
2 Stewart/Babbington marriages
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Crikey...over 5 pages long!!
They sure were protecting where everything went... ;D ;D you might need to read it twice to understand it.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-979C-P?i=343&cat=185720
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-Z8MB?i=350&cat=185720
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I think there are three relevant Stewart peerages in Burke's Peerage.
See Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland (latest edition 1958) for Stewart of Horn Head.
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Thanks very much for the info. I don't think these are likely to be my direct ancestors. So far as I know, the Babington connection would (if it is there) will not be to the Stewart side but to the Hamilton side of my family. And so far as I know at this point, my Stewarts weren't likely to be in Burke's Peerage in the recent past.
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My money would be on David B....
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London Times Newspaper Archives
November 06, 1827 Page 2
David Babington. Esq., now a solicitor in Dublin, descended from Sir Anthony Babington,.....
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The nearest I can get is Rev John Johnston of Clondavaddog who married Mildred Hamilton, dau of Rev James Hamilton, Archbishop of Raphoe, and their daughter Catherine married Wm Babingon.
It is possible she wanted to use Hamilton as a middle name... ??
Rev John Johnston died 1730
Only speculation!!
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The nearest I can get is Rev John Johnston of Clondavaddog who married Mildred Hamilton, dau of Rev James Hamilton, Archbishop of Raphoe, and their daughter Catherine married Wm Babingon.
It is possible she wanted to use Hamilton as a middle name... ??
Rev John Johnston died 1730
Only speculation!!
...and as per
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=247028.msg6908107#msg6908107
and the 5 pages of Agreement posted thereon
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-979C-P?i=343&cat=185720
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The nearest I can get is Rev John Johnston of Clondavaddog who married Mildred Hamilton, dau of Rev James Hamilton, Archbishop of Raphoe, and their daughter Catherine married Wm Babingon.
It is possible she wanted to use Hamilton as a middle name... ??
Rev John Johnston died 1730
Only speculation!!
Thank you for that! I don't think that the Rev. John Johnston is likely an ancestor, but when I did a Google search of his name, I came up with a book that includes the following information about his close relatives:
"Matthew Babington, of Urney and Doecastle, co Donegal, living 1663, was attainted in 1689 by the Dublin Parliament; he is supposed to have m. a dau. of Col. James Galbraith, of Dowish and d. soon after 1689, having by her, who d. 1635 had issue:
(1) William ...[It was William's daughter who married John Johnstone & Mildred Hamilton's daughter Katherine]
(2) Richard, of Daisy Hill...and
(3) Thomas m. Isabella, dau. of Capt. James Stronge, of Croaghan, parish of Cloneligh and had issue,
1. Mathew of Clady, parish of Urney, co Tyrone m. Anne Hamilton. [Another Hamilton marriage] His will was proved 8 March 1735.
2. Thomas, of Clonfad, parish of Clonleigh, living 21 May, 1735. He had issue:
(1) Richard, of Londonderry, m. before 1768, Mary, dau. Of Frederick Stewart of Horn Head and had issue.
(2) James"
-- so James Babington, of Clonfad Clonleigh, had an aunt named Anne Hamilton. "Clonfad" is used as an alternative spelling for "Glenfad" Clonleigh. My ancestor James Babington Hamilton was living at Clonfad/Glenfad, Clonleigh in 1826 according to the Tithe Applotment records. Sooo..while it isn't anything solid yet, it is an intriguing coincidence if, in 1735 there is a "James Babington" and 90 years later the same land is home to a "James Babington Hamilton" AND these Babingtons are already well married into Hamiltons.
I am going to do some more sleuthing about who this Thomas Babington and his son James were.
Here is where I found this information:
Family Records by Ashworth Peter Burke, available thru Google Books:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=MZRAAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=John+Johnston+Clondavaddog&source=bl&ots=22YUQNzqtY&sig=ACfU3U1q79nwKlSP9rVO8Z8HW3lj7xBwEQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje4Lnkip7oAhWyKn0KHaL_Au8Q6AEwAXoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=John Johnston Clondavaddog&f=false
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Also interesting and germane to the point of this entire thread is that James Babington's brother married into the Stewarts of Horn Head.
Once I figure out as much as I can about the elusive Babingtons I will turn my sights onto the Stewarts. ;D
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You have a Babington Will, naming father, brothers etc. from FS posted. Wray Will.
It's not 'Who got What' but names/relationships named in them, grandson etc.
I didn't think that the Rev. John Johnston was likely an ancestor, but his Hamilton wife as part of the "Hamilton Clan" using Hamilton as a middle name, but your research on Johnston catches a lot of Babintons in the net.
I was only specualting to accumulate! ;D
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Family Records by Ashworth Peter Burke
https://archive.org/details/familyrecords01burk/page/n55/mode/2up
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You have a Babington Will, naming father, brothers etc. from FS posted. Wray Will.
It's not 'Who got What' but names/relationships named in them, grandson etc.
I didn't think that the Rev. John Johnston was likely an ancestor, but his Hamilton wife as part of the "Hamilton Clan" using Hamilton as a middle name, but your research on Johnston catches a lot of Babintons in the net.
I was only specualting to accumulate! ;D
Yes, I may be back to William and Catherine Babington and the Johnstons if Richard/James had no kids who inherited Clonfad/Glenfad. My thought at this point is that James Babington might have had a daughtr who married a Hamilton and they might have had children who might have been or been the father of "James Babington Hamilton" of whom I have a record. Just my own speculation. "James" + "Babington" remained names associated with that Townland for well over a century into the 2nd half of the 19th century. And one of my Hamilton ancestors married "into" property in Taughboyne Parish that way in the 19th century.
But, if James Babington son of Thomas had no children, then the property may have gone to his uncle Mathew's family, and if they ran out of heirs (and I haven't delved into that yet), then maybe it went to the descendants of William and Catherine.
It's a history-mystery at this point. :)
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I am searching for Samuel Graham's Wife Jane Stewart family her father Joseph Stewart he was a weaver m/c says Soaker. I have her mother as Ellinor Moore but can't confirm this is the correct family. I have been stuck on my Maternal like for about two years I did take an MTDNA test in hopes that i may find a connection. Jane Stewart was born about 1842. and is my 2nd Great Grandmother she was the mother of My Great Grandmother Ellen Graham born 2/01/1875 in Upper Tawny. Ellen was the mother of My Grandmother Martha A Graham born August 22, 1972. As far as i can see they were in Donegal Milford Ireland Kimacrennan. Hoping maybe someone here in this thread one of these names may look familiar.
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My Grandmother and Great Uncle were the last Stewarts to own Horn Head. Happy to help or discuss.
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Is anyone researching the Stewarts in Inishowen, particularly in the Malin/Knockamany area in the far north of Donegal? I can trace back to Hamilton Stewart who died at 96 in 1886, he is my great^3 grandfather. He's a dead end for me and for all others I know researching that branch, but I'm always looking for other connections.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/275415567/hamilton-stewart