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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: ravenhair on Tuesday 24 July 07 21:42 BST (UK)
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In trying to find out about my grandfather (on my mothers side) family, i found on the 1881 census a family who seem to fit - the head of the household is Joseph Dixon, who is listed as "Out Pauper and Ag Lab"
I am guessing that this means he might have been in the workhouse or something?
I found him on the 1871 census (in the same village) but cannot find the family in 1891, although my grandfather was born to the daughter of Joseph in the same village in 1895.
Can anyone suggest any other places i could look?
Thanks in anticipation!! :D
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Hello ravenhair, can you give us the census reference for Joseph Dixon in 1881...or more details, we can then have a look to see if another pair of eyes might find him in '91.
Generally an 'out pauper' meant that you were living in your own home but claiming parish relief.
Suey
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Here's the reference, Suey (and it does look like out pauper to me)
RG11/3216 13 19
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12563612
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yes it does and although I have searched most family members, I can't find them on ancestry.co.uk. I have tried first name searches too.
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Many thanks to all of you for your rapid responses and efforts on my behalf, it is much appreciated!!!
My Grandfather, Albert Edward Dixon, was born on 22nd December 1895 in Sibsey, Lincs to Ellen Dixon (Domestic Servant), fathers name not given on birth certificate. Ellen later married and had more children, but I only know that the surname was Simpson, and there were three children - Henry, George and Hilda.
Thanks again :)
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I wonder if Joseph died - could this be his death
Joseph Dixon age 36 - Dec Qtr 1882 Boston RD Vol7a page 249
Sorry who was Ellen? where does she fit with Joseph and Elizabeth?
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Have a look at the Holmes family
RG12/2572 20 7
Will see if I can find a matching marriage ...
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Indeed ... 8)
Marriage Burton Holmes - Elizabeth Dixon
June 1886 Boston 7a 761
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Well done Tati - Darn't if I can see her though ??? still looking........
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What do you mean, Suey?
Ellen (age 4 in 1881) is called Ellen Holmes in 1891 :)
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I've found them now, forgot about Ellen in '81 dim or what ??? Ancestry on a real go slow - did ravenhair want the details?
Suey
ps - ravenhair, perhaps you could get a copy of Joseph's death cert, see what he died from - I'd guess he may have already been ill/unwell in 1881 and unable to work hence the 'out pauper' description.
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Suey and Tati,
Many thanks again for your efforts!
If as you suggest, Joseph died in 1882, and Elizabeth remarried, that would account for not finding them in 1891 as Dixon.
Ellen was Joseph and Elizabeths fifth child, and on the copy of my grandfathers birth certificate she is down as Ellen Dixon, and she was unmarried when he was born, so i guess there is no way we will ever know who his real father was.
I suppose that if her mother remarried, she would not necessarily have changed her name, just as my grandfather stayed a Dixon when she married Mr Simpson (whose first name i do not know, unfortunately)
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Hi Ravenhair!
Just stumbled across this in my own research, and I'm glad I did!
I'm the 2x great grandson of Ellen Dixon (1876-1955) and John Henry Simpson (1878-1913). My great grandmother was Hilda May Simpson (1905-1990).
I can't find a record of Ellen and John's marriage but I think it was around 1898. They are living together as man and wife in 1901 (in Friskney), along with Albert and two other children who you are not aware of, Rose Lillian (1898-1980) and Elizabeth Ellen (b.1900). They also had another daughter, Beatrice (1902-1986) before Hilda, Henry (1908-1993) and George (1911-1991) came along.
According to the 1911 census, the family were living in Frampton, although Albert and Elizabeth are not living with them. Ellen is recorded as "Helen". The census also says that they have been married 17 years, which is clearly not the case - but may hint that John was the father of Albert.
John Henry Simpson was tragically killed by a train in 1913. Ellen went on to marry again - to William Meeds in 1923. They then relocated to Kettering, where she passed away in 1955. Henry and George moved there with her, but were frequent visitors back to Boston when I was a child. I remember Uncle Henry very well. Both my grandmother and aunt Beatrice remained in Boston, both settling in Wyberton - where I still reside.
Hope that fills in a few blanks for you. Feel free to get in touch for any more info.
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Hello Daniel!
Many thanks for the information you supplied, it certainly filled in a few blanks!
I had no idea whatsoever that there were other children, as you have probably gathered, I only knew about Hilda, Henry and George. I actually remember Hilda, and remember visiting her in a bungalow in Wyberton when I was a child. I also remember going to Kettering to visit an Aunt and Uncle, but as my nan's brothers also lived there, I am not sure who it was I visited. But I think it might have been Henry.
I suppose it is possible that John Henry Simpson was the biological father of Albert (my grandfather), but I guess there is no way of knowing for sure. I do recall my mum telling me that grandpa's dad had been killed in a tragic train accident (in Sibsey?). I think that Hilda Simpson married a Mr Scrupps, would that be correct?
I am not sure I have much information which would be useful to you, but I would be glad to share anything I do have that would help you in your research.
Many thanks for getting in touch and sharing all your info!
Carol
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Hi Carol,
Yep, that's correct. Hilda marrried John William Scrupps (1902-1985) and had three children; Maurice (my grandfather), Fred and Roy. Grandad and Fred still live around here, whilst Roy emigrated to Canada.
Here's an old photo of John and Hilda...
http://api.photoshop.com/home_ac73baa2501c461a8c9c44e66ee2e2ef/adobe-px-assets/d70facb12f4b4789b17694c88e14ef0d" width="397" height="308"/>
I don't remember John particularly well, but I remember Hilda very clearly. She had a wicked sense of humour and loved watching snooker... She was a really big fan of Jimmy White! You remember right about the bungalow too!
I was just a little too young to go to her funeral but it's become a bit of family folklore because a couple of her relations from Kettering came across in full cowboy attire; replete with mock six-shooters which they happily fired in the avenue! I don't suppose you would know who they were?!
Anyway, I'd love to hear about your grandfather, Albert. Did he stay around Boston or did he move away? Were he and my great grandmother close? Did he, like so many of his generation, serve in the great war? I'd be really interested to here about him.
Thanks for getting in touch. If you want any more information, I'll gladly help if I can.
All the best,
Daniel