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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: puppygirl on Monday 23 July 07 13:43 BST (UK)
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Hi there, wondered if anyone could shed any light on the deaths of 2 brothers, John and Robert Lavery, 1885, in Gosford NSW. John was born Wagga Wagga, 1877. I've tried ordering the death certs from the NSW Registrar but the system is unwilling to let me pay for them.
Parents were John Lavery and Margaret Morrow, both born Kilbarchan, Scotland.
I don't know if John and Margaret were married - John left a wife in Glasgow to run away, I reckon, with Margaret.
Also any info on Margaret's death in 1918, Petersham, would be much appreciated. She is named Margaret Lavery on the NSW records. Her parents were John Morrow and Maryann.
Any help much appreciated, thanks
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Hi
You may like to use a transcription agent - cheaper and quicker - details here
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cheers
Cando
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This may be the marriage of your couple
1341/1882 LAVERY JOHN MERROW MARGARET SYDNEY
Did the wife in Glasgow perchance die c. 1882 or did they just wait some time to marry?
Trish
NB I agree with Cando - your best option for NSW information is transcripts.
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hi
death:
15506/1918 LAVERY MARGARET JOHN MARY A PETERSHAM
15064/1885 LAVERY ROBERT JOHN MARGARET GOSFORD
15063/1885 LAVERY JOHN JOHN MARGARET GOSFORD
birth:
10477/1882 LAVERY ALICE JOHN MARGARET ARGYLE
3550/1884 LAVERY LUCY JOHN MARGARET SYDNEY
21867/1877 LAVERY ROBERT JOHN MARGARET WAGGA WAGGA
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Hi Folks, many thanks for the interest and information.
Can I ask, Trish, where you found the marriage certificate? I haven't been able to locate it.
I'd love to find out what happened to the boys in 1885. Is it possible to ask someone to look up the certificates for me when they visit the NSW Registrar?
Thanks again
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Probably little Alice on the way was the impetus!
Sue
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Well, having had 3 children with Margaret before Alice, and leaving several kids behind in Glasgow, it's nice to think that John did one "honourable" thing in his life!
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Hello there
from the NSW on line BDM's
please note the variation in spellings
births
Reg number Year Surname Christian no father mother
V188200029 161/1882 LEVERY ALICE JOHN MARGARET
21867/1877 LAVERY ROBERT JOHN MARGARET WAGGA WAGGA
24316/1881 LEVERY MARGARET JOHN MARGARET WALCHA
10477/1882 LAVERY ALICE JOHN MARGARET ARGYLE
10477/1882 LEAVERY ALICE JOHN MARGARET ARGYLE
3550/1884 LAVERY LUCY JOHN MARGARET SYDNEY
12697/1879 LAVERY WILLIAM JOHN MARGARET DUBBO
no sign of a Birth for John?
what was the first wifes name. Did he come to australia with any of his children?
regard Jenn
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OOooh, well, I didn't know that.[about his other children]
Perhaps she was the assertive type!
Hard to imagine in those times. Not so many choices for women like now.
Sue
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Hi pg
The marriage, as well as the births provided by Jenn and OzyBob, all come from the online NSW indexes
Births and Deaths
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Marriages
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?SessionID=9698788&event=marriages
Details on transcription agents given by Cando allows you to purchase a transcription of a certificate for $AU15 - I think a certificate is about $10 more
Trish
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Thanks Trish for all the links. I've found the NSW site and it's very useful, and the variations in spelling Lavery hadn't occurred to me.
John seems to have been a bit of a lad, not content with one poor wife and starving bairns in Glasgow, he gets himself another one and several more babies, born in quick succession. The deaths of the 2 boys on the same day let my imagination run wild - maybe they'd to make room for the next arrival...
I'll know once I get to read their cause of death.
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Do you know when he came to Australia?
jenn
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Thanks Trish for all the links. I've found the NSW site and it's very useful, and the variations in spelling Lavery hadn't occurred to me.
John seems to have been a bit of a lad, not content with one poor wife and starving bairns in Glasgow, he gets himself another one and several more babies, born in quick succession. The deaths of the 2 boys on the same day let my imagination run wild - maybe they'd to make room for the next arrival...
I'll know once I get to read their cause of death.
Guess he escaped the parish council by fleeing to Australia! The marriage certificate could be interesting - to see whether he was listed as a Widower, divorcee or bachelor
Trish
NB Always seem to be spelling variations :D You can use an * wildcard on the NSW searches - it slows them down dramatically, but does eventually return an answer
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Hi Jenn and Trish,
John disappears from Scottish records after the birth of his last child with Ann in 1869. Ann calls herself a widow on the 1871 census, and dies in Barnhill Poorhouse in 1872.
So I'm guessing John left sometime after 1869. On the IGL there is a child birth,1874, in New Zealand, the John who dies with his brother in Dec 1885. The other children's births are listed on the NSW register.
I'm thinking John might have been a convict, but would he have been sent to NZ? Or maybe the IGL is wrong about little John's birthplace.
I'm hoping someone might offer to look up the details when they visit the NSW registry, or if this is this not an option, I'll get the transcription service to do it.
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Your dates are too late for a convict - only WA took them post 1850 & they stopped in 1868.
Unfortunately one cannot "look up" the registers. The transcript agents (3 of them) are the only folks allowed to do this.
Trish
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Thanks again Trish. I'll contact them now
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Hi Puppygirl,
Did you get any more info of the certificates.
Tom