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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: keithR on Friday 20 July 07 19:34 BST (UK)
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HI
Hi am looking for the following family living Liverpool England
Catherine Ryan (single) also known as kate, son WILLIAM born abbt 1898/99 .
William Ryan born abbt 1856 proff baker.
Annie Ryan born abbt 1859 wife
Annie Ryan born abtt 1882
Minnie Ryan born abbt 1884
William Ryan born abbt 1886
Mary Ryan born abbt 1888
Living in Liverpool 1891 england but can not find in 1901
Cathrine had son William 1898/1899 father not known .
William kept mothers surname RYAN
Any little help would be truly appreciated .they had links with Ireland did they go there?
Thank you
Keith Ryan
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Amelia married James Kilburn
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
RYAN Amelia KILBURN James Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/93/468
1901 census as follows - Field St Liverpool:
Amelia Kilburn 20 b Liverpool
Charles 7 months son b Liverpool
William Ryan 16 brother b Liverpool
RG13 Piece 3481 Folio 18 Page 28
Son Patrick died in 1892
Patrick Ryan Age at Death 2 September qtr 1892 West Derby
Volume: 8b Page: 368
Mary Ryan was possibly in St Margaret's Industrial School in Hendon Middlesex. Mary Ryan 13 b Liverpool
RG13 Piece 5336 Folio 154 Page 1
The only Minnie Ryan I can find was one aged 17 shown as b England working as a servant in Surrey RG13 Piece 665 Folio 146 Page 13 which is a possibility given the Mary Ryan location. Minnie's birth was registered as 1883
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William Ryan died 1895
William Ryan Age at Death: 39 September qtr 1895
West Derby Volume: 8b Page: 441
A possible death for Annie - age a bit out but the only other in that range in 1891 was b 1857
Annie Ryan Age at Death: 39 March qtr 1900
Liverpool Volume: 8b Page: 54
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Thank you so much for your help i truly appreciate any little bit of help or information.
William died 13 August 1895 his wife Annie was at his bed side.
Amelia was one of Williams Daughters and did marry James Kilburn William 1901 was her brother
I have discovered that when their father William died in 1895. Their mother couldn't cope so she put the following children into care Minnie and Mary also James . Minnie and Mary where sent to London to a convent. James stayed in a boys home in Liverpool.
Minnie and Mary both emigrated about 1920 to New Zealand where they lived out their life.
Catherine who i mentioned was my Great Grandmother and brought up her son William alone .I have been told that she sent William to America to family where he stayed until war broke out 1914 he came back and joined the 8th Irish Liverpool Kings and eventually married my Grand mother.
As i say i truly appreciate any help
Thank You
Keith R
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Hi Keith,
if you havn't got the marriage cert, I can have a look for you if you wish, the next time I go the RO.
Red :)
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Hi Keith
Did you know that they also had a son Thomas?
This is the 1881 census - all b Liverpool. Catherine was with her grandmother
56 Wightman St
William Ryan 24 bread baker
Annie 21
Thomas 2
Amelia 1
Adam Nagle 25 lodger
25 Butler St
Johannah Ryan Widow 55 b Ireland (died 1889)
Kate Ryan 3 b Liverpool Granddaughter
James Nagel 28 b Wexford, Ireland boarder
1871 census for 21 Etna St
Patrick Ryan age not very clear but starts with 6 b Queens South Armagh
Johanna 44 b Queens South Armagh
William 14 b Liverpool
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Hi Carole and Red
Thank you for your help I have the 1871 census info but it states that Patrick and Johanna came from Arles County Queens i have been going down this lead and not getting far . its good to have the information that you have found as coming from South Armagh. I have Patrick in 1851 Census and 1861 married to a Julia Ryan she must have died between 1861 and 1871 i cant find a marriage anywhere in England .they may have married in Ireland .
I am trying to find out when and where my grandfather William was born all i know is that his mother may have been Catherine (Kate 1881 census with grandmother) and he was born about 1898 he married my grandmother 1919
As i have the marriage Certificate
Thank you
Keith R
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Hi Keith
From what you say - William was around 21 when he married your grandmother. I am assuming there is no fathers name on his marriage cert.
Where did he marry your grandmother? Was it in England or elsewhere
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Hi Keith,
I have a photocopy of Amelia and James marriage. If you pm me your email addy, I will send it to you.
Red :D
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Hi Carole and Red
Thanks for your replies.
My Grandfather married my Grandmother 8th Feb 1919. He stated on the marriage certificate that his father name was Christopher Ryan occupation Laborer.
My father was only 10 years old when his father died, leaving his wife with seven children in 1932.
Life was hard for my grandmother for many years. She did re marry later on.
My father never spoke about his dad it seamed it was taboo no one in the family even spoke about him.
I started out tracing the family and eventually discovered that my Grand father died of TB.
It was only when my Dad passed away that i also discovered that my Grandfather was living with a couple named Catherine and Christopher Robinson when he married my grandmother. I heard that my father and brothers/sisters called this lady Grand Ma Robo . I thought strange all these years i was looking for a Christopher Ryan and hear was a Christopher Robinson . Any way i sent for Catherine and Christophers Marriage Certificate and discovered that Catherine's maiden name was Ryan and her father was a William Ryan occupation Baker . This opened up a new avenue .
So as i mentioned recently my Grandfathers birth is a mystry
Thanks
Keith R
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Hi Keith
I can't find either Catherine or William on the 1901 census. Something is puzzling me about Williams birthyear of approx 1898
When he married in 1919 - how old was he on the marriage cert?
You mentioned in an earlier reply that Catherine sent William to America and that he returned in 1914 and joined up. That would make him about 16 years old. Have you traced his service records as that may show his parents names whereas his marriage cert only shows (fathers?) name
I notice that Catherine and Christopher only married in 1909 so Catherine would have been around 31 at that time - does that age tie up with her marriage cert?
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Hi Keith,
I have sent you the cert, and included a photo of the church. :D
Can you let me know if you get them please.
Red :D
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Hi Carole and Red
My Grandfather was 21 years old when he married my grand mother Grace Holme.
In April 1919. He joined the 8th Irish Liverpool Kings 1916 .
Catherine Ryan was 29 when she married Christopher Robinson in 1909.
Thanks
Keith R
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Hello, I know this is an old post. I am a descendant of Minnie Ryan, daughter of William and Annie. Minnie emigrated to New Zealand with her husband John Warwood. John was born in New Zealand, but was working in London when he met Minnie where they married in 1904. They left for NZ not long after, she died in 1948. She is my great grandmother. They went on to have 8 children in Dunedin, Otago here in NZ, my grandfather Raoul Warwood being one of them. I am related to her through my father.
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Welcome to rootschat Kate. I’m afraid that Keith hasn’t been logged in to Rootschat for over 10 years. :-\
If he is still around and has the same email address he should be notified of your reply.
Good luck.
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Thanks for your response. I just happened to find this forum post so I got rather excited!
Thought I'd try my luck anyway. An incredible find nonetheless! 😊
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I took the liberty of sending Keith a Personal Message alerting him to your reply.
Yes, it is exciting to discover someone else with mutual ancestors. It happened to me (again) only a few days ago. :)
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Thank you so much, very much appreciated!
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Hiya Kate - on the original 1st post by Keith - this was the first name he posted
William Ryan - b 1898/99 mother Cathy - single woman
so - go to - www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk
baptisms
fill in boxes with names - search
1897-7877 WORKHOUSE 282-NIC-4-3B (325) 1897 1897 WILLIAM RYAN CATHERINE RYAN no father named - single woman
so we now know William was born 1897 and baptised in the workhouse -
have a look through the site
also has marriages
have fun :)
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I wonder if this was a brother of William ?
1889-6083 ST AUGUSTINE 282-AUG-1-7 (183) 1889 1889 JOHN JOSEPH RYAN CATHERINE RYAN no father named - single woman