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I'm attempting to find Orr and McCaughey relatives from around Ballymena. I have come across Sir Samuel McCaughey 1832 - 1919) who was a wealthy grazier, irrigator and philanthropist in New South Wales, said to be a cousin of my ggrandmother. He is said to have been born in Tullyneuh, but I have been unable to establish where this is - any thoughts?
Megan
Sydney, Australia
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I have continued to try find a place or property called "Tuyllyneuh" in County Antrim without success. I have only an extremely limited knowledge of the County at present. I am sure many of you are much better versed in place names. There are many beginning with "tully", which I understand means "hill" but none that match Sir Samuel's birthplace. I would be happy to hear a couple of "Never heard of it"s and go back to look at source documents,
Megan
Australia
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have a look at http://www.yancoag-h.schools.nsw.edu.au/history.htm which appears to be the life of the gentleman you mention .... this site also appears to state that Tullyneuh is in Derry in Northern Ireland .
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Thankyou, Falkryn, for your posting. This site is indeed where I found the reference to Tullyneuh, but have still not been able to find any reference to a Tullyneuh in any county in Northern Ireland. Where did you find a reference to County Derry? The only one I could find by googling was a query from someone also researching McCaughey's in Australia. Unfortunately her email address is no longer current.
I wondered if there may have been a mistranscription of Tullyneagh, like the Lough, but that is in County Armagh. I have read elsewhere that Sir Samuel was bron near Ballymena and this fits with family lore.
I am awaiting an interlibrary loan which may help.
Thanks again for your posting.
Megan
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:-[ My apologies ... I misread a posting on Rootsweb which asked the question "Is Tullyneuh in Derry" ... rather stupidly not reading it as a question :-[
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The synopsis of the book "The return to Coree" which gives details of his life refer to Charles and Alexander Wilson who were among the first generations of what is described as the dynasty to go over and who were related by marriage to Samuel BOTH of these men are stated to have come from Ballycloughan near Ballymena ..... if related by marriage is it possible that the marriages occurred before they went to Australia and this may then fit in with the information you have?
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Thank you Anthony and Falkrin. The book "Return to Coree" is the one I am waiting on on interlibrary loan. I have now found a rootsweb list reference to Samuel McCauhey's gravestone which reads: "Sir Samuel McCaughy Born 30 Jun 1835 Tullynuey House, Ballymena,Ulster died 25 Jul 1919 at North Yanco, New South Wales." But "googling" Tullynuey brings no joy either. I am used to using www.old-maps.co.uk but this does not include Ireland. Does anyone know of an Irish equivalent? Or a site via which I could contact someone with local knowledge?
thanks
Megan
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Try www.yourmapsonline.org.uk .... have some old maps of Ireland avaialable to view on screen
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Megan,
The 'tullyneuh' you are looking for is Tullynewey, a Townland about five miles NEof Ballymena.
It is in the Parish of Dunaghy, in the Barony of Kilconway and about 1 mile from Clough village.
Sir Samuel McCaughey was born on a farm there ( I have 1835)
Much has been recorded on his and his Wilsom Uncle's work in Australia.
Sir Samuel donated a warplane to Britain for WW2
Presently I am trying to find a connection with McFetridge or Smyth with McCaughey.
A James Mcfetridge b 1872 Ballymena married a Jeannie Smyth (Rasharkin) b 1888 emmigrated to Australia and had a daughter Anna McCaughey McFetridge born 29Nov 1909 in Rockhampton, Queensland.
I live only 2 miles from the Tullynewey farm
Regards
Henry Hume
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Dear Henry
Thank you so much. I am delighted to have confirmed Sir Samuel's birthplace. I have learnt a liittle about him from the net to date. He seems to have had "buckets of money" when he died in 1919 and was extremely generous. Also his nephew Sir Roy.
I am not very familiar with tracking things in Queensland, but can I be of any assistance? There seem to be a number of McFetridges in Northern NSW at around that time.
Regards
Megan
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I am researching McCaughey in Australia. I have a James McCaughey who married Ann Kelly - seems to be Victoria. Any connection?
Regards, Irene
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As yet I still haven't found any connection between the McCaughey's and my Orr family. The furthest back I can go is Robert Orr who was said to be a blacksmith, father of (Ella) Jane Orr who was born Connor, County Antrim, 1843.
I enjoyed reading about the McCaughey family in "The Return to Coree" but was unable to make a connection to Jane Orr. I particularly like the story of Sir Samuel who apparently always gave people rorm Ballymena a job. One day a Chinese man approached him for a job and said "I'm from Ballymena". Sir Samuel laughed and did give him a job!
Anthony, I suspect the William Orr, solicitor is from one of the branches of the Orrs related to William "Remember" Orr of Farranshane, hung in 1797. There were a number of later Orrs who were solicitors, including one who came to Australia, Hugh Harrison Orr, but I still have no connection between them and my Jane Orr.
Regards
Megan
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Part of the 1851 Census returns for Antrim survived with Tulynewey being one of them. Go to http://1851.4t.com/custom4.html and the second list is for same. It has a McCaughey household shown with a Samuel, son, aged 15.
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Thanks, Scotmum,
That's definitely the boy who became Sir Samuel McCaughey in New South Wales. All those children and only one manservant! I will have a closer look at the census information for my Orrs and Whites. What a pity the whole census did not survive,
Megan
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Megan,
The 'tullyneuh' you are looking for is Tullynewey, a Townland about five miles NEof Ballymena.
It is in the Parish of Dunaghy, in the Barony of Kilconway and about 1 mile from Clough village.
Sir Samuel McCaughey was born on a farm there ( I have 1835)
Much has been recorded on his and his Wilsom Uncle's work in Australia.
Sir Samuel donated a warplane to Britain for WW2
Presently I am trying to find a connection with McFetridge or Smyth with McCaughey.
A James Mcfetridge b 1872 Ballymena married a Jeannie Smyth (Rasharkin) b 1888 emmigrated to Australia and had a daughter Anna McCaughey McFetridge born 29Nov 1909 in Rockhampton, Queensland.
I live only 2 miles from the Tullynewey farm
Regards
Henry Hume
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Henry, The plane was donated for the 1st WW, Sir Sam was my Great Grand Uncle. James McFetridge and Jeannie Smyth were my Grandparents and Anna McCaughy Atkins Nee`McFetridge was my mother, I am the youngest of her children and one of only two surviving of her five children.
Sir Sam owned properties all over Australia. My son Brett was in Ireland in 2002 and met up with my cousin "James McFetridge" who was the son of James brother I think. I have lot's of info that you may already have but I'm happy to share.
Regards
Rod Atkins
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Sorry,
I forgot to mention that Jeannie Smyth was Sir Sam's Niece, his sisters daughter. James actually worked for Sam in Australia before buying his own property "Granville" near Jericho in Queensland.
Rod.
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I realize this is from a REALLY old post.
Note to Henry Hume if you are still out there....In 1867 great grandpa Murphy left for America. He came from County Antrim, Ballymena area. It's also noted he was from Tullynewey. His diary says "Cloughwater was my dwelling place". They were farmers and since you said you lived 2 miles from the Tullynewey farm, I was wondering if Cloughwater means anything to you?
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterhistorycircle/5845524323/?rb=1
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Megan,
The 'tullyneuh' you are looking for is Tullynewey, a Townland about five miles NEof Ballymena.
It is in the Parish of Dunaghy, in the Barony of Kilconway and about 1 mile from Clough village.
Sir Samuel McCaughey was born on a farm there ( I have 1835)
Much has been recorded on his and his Wilsom Uncle's work in Australia.
Sir Samuel donated a warplane to Britain for WW2
Presently I am trying to find a connection with McFetridge or Smyth with McCaughey.
A James Mcfetridge b 1872 Ballymena married a Jeannie Smyth (Rasharkin) b 1888 emmigrated to Australia and had a daughter Anna McCaughey McFetridge born 29Nov 1909 in Rockhampton, Queensland.
I live only 2 miles from the Tullynewey farm
Regards
Henry Hume
Hi Henry, Anna McCaughey McFetridge was my mother, she married my father, Arthur Ronald Atkins back in the 30's and she passed away in 1972, a victim of cancer. She had four sons, Robert, David, Warren and myself Rodney. She also had a daughter, Moira. Moira and I are the only surviving children, Moira is 80 this year and I will be 69. Sir Samuel was my Great Grand uncle, My Grandmother Jeannie Smyth was his niece born to his sister Anna.
Sincerely,
Rod Atkins