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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Alex and Jan on Friday 20 July 07 13:05 BST (UK)
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Frederick James CAMPION b sep qtr 1878 Chelsea
m 1948 Australia - parents William & Mry Jane nee Edwards.
Could not find him in 1881.
1891 - RG12/56 - 41 Caird St.
William widr 58 ?
Thomas B son 21
Fredk J son 12
David S in L 28
Eliza F daur 26
Ethel F g daur 1
Edith M g daur 3 mo
There is a death of Mry Jane aged 33 sep qtr 1886 ?
Eliza Frances CAMPION c 25 Feb 1865 Holy Trinity Paddington
Thomas Benjamin CAMPION c 14 Nov 1869 Holy Trinity Paddington
IGI says parents William and Mary Ann
Any suggestions or help anyone can give would be appreciated.
Alex and Jan
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Hi Alex and Jan,
Do you have access to census?
I have spotted a family calles Lewis (or Lervis or Servis) in 1871 that seem to fit (Father William right age born Ireland etc.)
RG10/14 52 25
What do you think? (Though the children were registered as Campion)
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And in 1881, they also have a right Frederick J !
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=13475181
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Saw this one too Tati.. Did not consider it useful though.
What do they appear as on other census??
Karenlee
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Not sure, but the IGI also has an Ellen Caroline 1872, and there's a Helen C age 9 with the Lewis family in 1881 ...
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THe one marriage I can see is
William Campion - Mary Ann Gray ???
Sep 1860 Kensington 1a 150
And the 1861 census:
RG9/78 177 14
St Marylebone
Shoutham? St
William Lewis, head, 28, Shoe Maker (same occ. as 1891), b. Ireland
Mary A, wife, 25, b. Middlesex London
??? ???
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Thanks so much for your input.......Lewis !
No we don't have access to census but have a friend who can send us the page.
Thanks again,
Alex and Jan
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Hello Alex and Jan
I have joined Rootschat about an hour ago and saw your request for help - which is dated in 2007.
The members of the Campion family you list are my forbears. It's not clear to me what you want to know, but I can tell you almost anything you ask - and tell you where you've made a couple of mistakes! Eliza Frances is my great grandmother (she died in 1946). I'm familiar with the lives of all her siblings and their children, etc.
Eliza's husband, Daniel Chillistone was my great grandfather, and my maiden name was Chillistone. Eliza and Daniel Chillistone were staying with William Joseph Campion at 41 Caird Street, during the 1891 Census, with their girls, Ethel & Edith. Also living in the house was Thomas Benjamin (he was a Carpenter and then became a builder employing others. He moved out to Essex and married a girl with the surname Lovell, I think. I can tell you about the whole family - just ask and I tell you what you need to know.
By the way, William Joseph Campion was widowed at the time of the 1891 Census. His wife, Mary Ann died at Caird Street in 1888 of a weak heart. Her maiden name was GRAY, not the name you stated. There were 7 surviving children of the family.
Frederick James did go to Australia, but in 1898, not the date you stated. He went on medical advice because he had TB. He came back to England briefly to see the Coronation and by then had become a successful whole sale jeweller. He married an Australian woman and had a son and daughter. My 89 year old father remembers him on his trip back to England.
Lauren000ful
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Thanks for your message.
As you said it was 2007 and I have been doing a lot of my friends family trees for them so need to find which family it is.
Alex and Jan
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I found the family you mentioned, that I had looked up for a friend.
Guisseppe D'ELIA married Rita Barber LISSIMAN in 1911 at Wellington New Zealand
Rita Barber D'ELIA married Frederick James CAMPION in 1948 at Ashfield NSW
My friend is granddaughter of Guisseppe and Rita.
Jan
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Thank you Alex and Jan!
Your comments have added to my knowledge of the wider family tree. I had NO IDEA that Frederick James had married again! Researching family history is a hobby without end!
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Could you give us some more details ?
Did he marry Florence Bettington in 1906 ?
Jan
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Hello Alex & Jan
Yes. He maried Florence Emily Bettington nee McLerie, (widow), on 9th November 1906 at St. James' Church of England, in Sydney. They were both aged 28.
The following year on 8th August 1907 at Middle Harbour Road, Lindfield, Sydney, N.S.W. their first child was born: William Frederick Campion. Father William Frederick is a Jeweller. A daughter, Margaret May, was born later.
Frederick James Campion, his son William Frederick Campion and daughter (no details yet), Margaret May, are on the Electoral List for 1930 at 71 Queen Street, Ashfield, Sydney, NSW. Florence is not there, so Frederick could well be a widower, and Margaret May is employed in "Home Duties".
Frederick James Campion travelled back to Sydney having visited England for the Coronation (my father met his uncle at that time) departing on 14th August 1937 on board the "Ormonde" of the Orient Line. He travelled alone and is listed as a "Wholesale Jeweller". The address he stayed at when in England was: c/o Cook family, Berkeley Street, London W. I haven't found a record of his passage from Australia to England, only that return trip.
Please tell me the website where you learned he married Florence Bettington.
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The webpage was the NSW BDM website - www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
On there I found the marriage of Joseph Bettington and Florence McLerie in 1899
Also Joseph's death in 1905
Also Joseph and Florence had 3 children - Miriam, Joseph and Florence.
I will have to write a long letter to my friend to explain all this !
Jan
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Thank you Jan for that further information. I, too, need to update someone on all this new info and have found that this website does not let you cut and paste, forward the page or save the page! Pity!
Also a pity is that the granddaughter of Guisseppe and Rita is not related to me :) Say 'Hello' to her from me.
Are you in Australia?
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The webpage was the NSW BDM website - www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
On there I found the marriage of Joseph Bettington and Florence McLerie in 1899
Also Joseph's death in 1905
Also Joseph and Florence had 3 children - Miriam, Joseph and Florence.
I will have to write a long letter to my friend to explain all this !
Jan
Hello Jan
I went to the NSW BDM website you mentioned and tried to find Frederick James Campion's death. My search returned ZERO results! Do you happen to know the details of the when, where and why? Would be grateful if you could let me know!
Lauren
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Yes we are in Australia, where are you ?
I just had a look for his death on the Ryerson Index and found it in QLD in 1956
I can get a friend in Sydney to look this up for me.
Just spoke to Joan and she said he had a holiday house up there.
Went up there for winter.
Joan said Bill had a daughter Marnie (Daisy) and son Fred who was hit by a car.
Margaret married Colin Russell Johns 1940 (NSW BDM's)
Joan said that Margaret had a daughter Susan who got a tic which killed her.
She is so excited that there is another family member out there.
I told her I would write a letter with all the details you have told me when you and I had sorted things out.
Jan
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Hello Jan
I live in West Sussex, England. I've never heard of the Ryerson Index, never knew that Frederick had a winter home in Queensland, and would never have found the record of his death - so thank you so much for that information. Finding out all these details means a lot to me - and possibly even more to my father who personally knew Frederick's siblings. My father says that if he could turn the clock back he would ask so many questions of his aunts, uncles and grandmother. For example, why on earth did their father, William Joseph Campion, use an alias. On all documents relation to Births, Marriages and Deaths he used the correct 'Campion' name, but apart from one exception, he always used the name 'Lewis' for Census purposes. I gather that he was a very moral man and he lived a well-ordered and responsible life. I can only speculate that when he came to England, from his native Ireland, the Irish were very unpopular in England and he thought it best to keep as anonymous as possible to 'Officialdom'. The 'Fenians' were blowing up parts of London then and tried to assassinate Queen Victoria, so he probably wanted to keep his identity (and therefore his Irishness) at a low profile. None of his children used an alias after they left home.
I have enlisted the help of an Irish Genealogist to help me trace William Joseph's Irish roots - I have found Irish records to be next to useless!
Thank you for all the extra information you have given me - I shall write it all up properly in the book I'm making - a book for future generations of my family.
Best wishes,
Lauren
PS Joan is Rita and Guisseppe's granddaughter?
By the way, Frederick James is not the only Campion who went abroard. His older brother, Josiah Alfred (b.1863) tried his luck in Argentina. He was there a few years, but it didn't work out and he came back to England, settling in Manchester. All of that Campion family were honest, hard-working, upright and enterprising. William Joseph would have been proud of them all.
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My friend has looked up the Sydney Morning Herald for me - 6/9/1956
CAMPION, Frederick James - August 24 1956 (suddenly), at Surfers Paradise, Late of Queen Street, Ashfield. Privately cremated Brisbane.
Joan is sending me a copy of his marriage to her grandmother.
Maybe we should email each other and share family tree details ?
Jan