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Am trying to get back beyond my Great Grandparents, William EADIE, Bn 1874 and Margaret Shearer JACK, Bn 1883, married in Bothkennar, Stirlingshire in 1899. They moved to farm at Little Bentley Hall, Essex, in 1920's.
Thanks,
Gavin Kedar
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Might this be margaret with her family???
1891
Alexander Jack head 36 Coal Miner Bothkennar Stirlings
Margaret Shearer jack wife 39 Cumbernauld Dumbarton
Mary Jack daughter 13 New Monkland Lanarks
Agnes Jack daughter 11 Bothkennar
John Jack son 10 Bothkennar
MARGARET JACK daughter 8 Bothkennar
Sarah jack daughter 6 bothkennar
Robert jack son 5 bothkennar
Parish Bothkennar ED1 Line 22 Year 1891 page 31
Suz
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Thanks Suz, it does look like it. She had a brother called Alexander, whom I remember visiting in Cumbernauld as a wee lad, but he would be born after 1891 census. Thanks for the help,
Gavin.
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Think this is them in 1901 with son Alex
Margaret's p.o.b. differs from 1891
1901
Address: Palace
Grangemouth
Stirlingshire
Alex Jack head 46 Coal Miner
Margaret wife 49
Sarah daughter 16
Robert son 15 Coal Miner
Alex son 8
all b. Bothkennar
Parish: Grangemouth ED 2 Line 3 Year 1901
Suz
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Thanks again, Suz, great work. Did not realise they were that rich!!?. Address given in 1901 census is 'Palace' ;D
Just wondering where you get the information so quickly?.
Thanks again,
Gavin.
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I thought that too.
Found the info on Ancestry -only problem with Scotland -I can only get transcriptions, not images -so have to rely on them being reasonably accurate -can't find William and Margaret Eadie after their marriage.
Do you have their marriage cert ?
If so does it give details of William's father?
Do you have any other details of William which may assist in finding him in his earlier years?
Suz
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Suz,
Thanks again. The Eadie side is the least known of all my family lines. No certificates etc, only word of mouth, & then, many I have lost contact with, me being in Australia.
Some families talk a lot of parents, G'parents etc, Eadies seem not so concerned.
But thanks again for your help, much appreciated. Are you related to either Jacks or Eadies?.
Regards,
Gavin.
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no relation to me -just like to help where I can
Here's some more Jack census returns
1881
address: West mains
Bothkennar
Alexander Jack Head 26 Coal miner Bothkennar Sterling
Margaret wife 27 Cumbernauld Dumbarton
Mary daughter 3 New Monkland lanarkshire
Agnes daughter 2 Bothkennar
John son 2mths Bothkennar
Robert jack Boarder 23 Coal Miner larbert Stirling
Agnes Shearer Visitor 21 Domestic servant Cumbernauld Dunbarton
Parish Bothkennar ED 2 Line 17 Census 1881
1871
address: Bothy Row
Bothkennar
John Jack head 52 Pit Bottomer Forsoway Fife
Agnes wife 48 Larbert Stirling
Alexander son Coal Miner 14 Bothkennar
Robert son 13 Dormy Dreper Pitt Bothkennar
Mary daughter 10 Bothkennar
Parish Bothkennar ED2 Line 15 Census 1871
1861
Address Larbert Stirlingshire
John Jack Head 42 Iron Furnace labourer Fossoway perth
Agness wife 39 larbert Stirling
John son 11 Iron Furnace lab Borne Stirling
Alexander son 6 Bornee Stirling
Mary A McJack 2mths Larbert Stirling
Parish Larbert ED2 Line 18 Census 1861
will have a look around to see if I can find any Eadies who may be possibilities??
Suz
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Your message caught my eye as my father talked about visiting relatives at Great Bentley Hall in the 1930s/1940s. His mother was Margaret Mills whose mother was Agnes Jack sister of Margaret Shearer Jack who married William Eadie. My father talks of Jimmy and Jean Maule. Are they related to you?
Julie-Ellen
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Dear Julie-Ellen,
Great to hear from you & for sharing the information. Will check with my Dad as to whether it was Little or Great Bentley Hall the Eadies farmed at.
Yes, Jim & Jean Maule are related, they being my grandparents. Jean was 1 of 13 Eadie children. Jim & Jean had 3 children, my Mum, Ann Margaret, Bn 1940 Dd 1999, Alan John (Bn 1941 Dd 1961, farm accident) & Isobel Jean (Bn 1948, now in Lincolnshire). Where & when did your father have contact with Jim & Jean?. Is your family still in Scotland?. Did Agnes Jack marry a Mills, or did Margaret, your G'mother marry a Mills?.
Look forward to your reply
Regards,
Gavin Kedar, Queensland, Australia.
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Dear Suz,
Thanks for the census details, great help. Has given me a help along. Many thanks,
Regards,
Gavin.
Dear Julie-Ellen,
Have also remembered that as a wee lad in 1960's, we visited an Uncle Sandy (Alexander) a & A. Bec. He was Agnes & Margaret Jacks brother. He had retired from railways & lived in Cumbernauld. Any recollection of them in your family?.
Regards,
Gavin.
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Dear Gavin
Agnes Jack married Robert Jack and their daughter Margaret is my grandmother. Margaret Mills married Lawrence (Ted) Headley who was born in Leicestershire but moved with his family as a baby to Cumbernauld. Ted and Meg had seven children of whom my father Ian Shearer Headley is the middle one. Ted joined the Royal Flying Corps during World War I and then moved back to his birth county of Leicestershire in the 1920s. My father knows very little of his mother's relatives other than that he used to visit his mother's aunt Margaret in Essex. He said he remembered there were lots of daughters, one who had a sweet shop - very memorable when you are a young boy! Do you know the names of the Eadie children - I think they must have been born in Scotland as I can't find any births before the 1930s in England.
Julie-Ellen
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Dear Julie-Ellen,
Thanks again for getting in touch. As I thought, the Eadie's did'nt speak much of thier family, although it seems it may be the Jacks also. Was wondering, you're Gr Grandmother, Agnes Jack, you said married a Robert Jack, is that correct?. Do you know if they were related?
The Eadie family are, in rough order;
1 Margaret;
2 Mary; married Harry Smith. 4 children + 4 from Harry's 1st marriage.
3 William; married Janet Cowan. 4 children.
4 Alexander; m Jean Johnstone. 2 children.
5 John; m Christine McNair. 4 children
6 Robert Bn 1910; m Margaret Ellen Smith. 1 child, Christine, who m Guy Sams. I will check up, but I believe they had post office/shop in Little Bentley, or nearby, Christine & Guy took it on from her parents. Possible the sweet shop your Dad remembers.
7 Barbera; m William Dawson Stewart. Emigrated to Rhodesia. 2 sons.
8 Jeannie; (my Nana) Bn 26 Jan 1915; m James Finlay Maule.
9 Agnes (Nan); m Andrew Mitchel. 2 girls.
10 Jessie; m John McNair. 3 girls
11 Isabella Turnbull (Bella); m Forrester Bain. 2 children
12 Edward (Ned); m Margaret Blythe. 3 children
13 James (Jim); m Jessie Sibbons. 2 children, dau (Moira) Dd in car crash ~1969, crash discovered by Jim & Jessie.
Hope this is helpful & may jog some memories. Yes. I believe they were all born in Scotland. My Nana spoke of them farming at Grangemouth, Stirlingshire, on the Forth, before moving to Essex in mid (I think) 1920's.
Where & when did your Dad meet Jim & Jean Maule?.
Look forward to your reply,
Thanks again,
Regards,
Gavin Kedar.
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Dear Gavin
Thank you for all the information. My mistake, my great grandmother Agnes Jack married Robert Mills not Jack. I spoke to my father yesterday and he said he (Ian) and his brother Don stayed with Jim and Janet Maule during school holidays and helped out on their farm. Having previously saying he couldn't remember anything else when I mentioned Ann, Alan and Isobel he said "Oh yes, I remember them all". He did say though these were the only relatives of his mother that he ever met and that he never went up to Scotland as a child. My grandparents Ted and Meg Headley emigrated to California after World War II but Ted returned with his second wife Eleanore in the 1970s. My dad said they kept in touch with Jim and Jean. I also apparently met Jim and Jean some years ago at the golden wedding of my uncle Bill (Ted and Meg's oldest survivng child). I have traced the Jacks back a few generations through census returns and parish records - do you have this information? If not I will send it to you.
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Dear Julie-Ellen,
Sorry for late reply. Had computer trouble & also away for few days, with old school friend from boardingschool days in Norfolk. Not seen him since I left UK in 79, so great to catch up & meet his wife & family, as they holiday here in Australia.
Any Jack info would be much appreciated, all I have is Alexander Jack (Bn ~1855) & Margaret Shearer (Born ~1854) & thier children.
Jim & Jean farmed at 'Daltons Fm' (cannot recall village) from 1938 until 1941, then at 'Moorhouse Fm', Hartest, Nr Boxted, south of Bury St Edmunds until 1961, then 'Hall Fm', Kelsale, Nr Saxmundham, Suffolk, until 1971. They then stayed with us, Nr Loddon, in Norfolk, for a year or so, before getting work milking in Warwickshire & Somerset for a couple of years, then milked 260 cows at Dunsby, Nr Bourne, Lincolnshire from about 1975 until 1986, retiring (aged75) & moved into Bourne. Does your Dad recall any of these?. Isobel is married to John Cranston, & lives near Bourne. If your Dad likes, I can pass on thier Ph No?. My email is mrhaymakerisme@hotmail.com
Look forward to your reply, & thanks for keeping in contact
Regards,
Gavin Kedar.
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Dear Julie-Ellen,
Sorry for late reply. Had computer trouble & also away for few days, with old school friend from boardingschool days in Norfolk. Not seen him since 79, so great to catch up & meet his wife & family.
Any Jack info would be much appreciated, all I have is Alexander Jack (Bn ~1855) & Margaret Shearer (Born ~1854) & thier children.
Jim & Jean farmed at 'Daltons Fm' (cannot recall village) until 1941, then at 'Moorhouse Fm', Hartest, Nr Boxted, south of Bury St Edmunds until 1961, then 'Hall Fm', Kelsale, Nr Saxmundham, Suffolk, until 1971. They then stayed with us for a year or so, before getting work milking in Warwickshire & Somerset for a couple of years, then milked 260 cows at Dunsby, Nr Bourne, Lincolnshire from about 1975 until 1986, retiring (aged75) & moved into Bourne. Does your Dad recall any of these?. Isobel is married to John Cranston, & lives near Bourne. If your Dad likes, I can pass on thier Ph No?. My email is mrhaymakerisme@hotmail.com