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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: mrs magoo on Monday 16 July 07 01:20 BST (UK)
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hello i am new here so please be patient with me.
I was wondering if anyone knew my ancestors name in water of leith. my great grandad was james waldie and i know there was a family of waldies that were coal merchants. in the 1800"s i think. where would i find out if my james was part of that family. i have no parents names for him except his dad may have been david waldie
karen
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Hiya Mrs Magoo,
A very warm welcome to Rootschat to you.
I've split your post so it stands out on it's own so I hope you get some special attention for your Waldies.
Do you have any estimated dates of birth for James?
All the best,
Pam
:)
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Hi Mrs Magoo
You will need to find some confirmation of your James's parents from either his birth cert, marriage or death (assuming he married/died in Scotland).
There are cut offs to what you can look at on line on Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMDs (the costs are reasonable). Births - 1906, Marriages - 1931 and Deaths - 1956.
I can see the family of coal merchants you referred to in the 1901 Census. Headed by a James Waldie and a son David shows in the household. All the children are showing as born in Leith:
James Waldie 69, coal merchant, b. Edinburgh
Catherine Charlotte Waldie 61, b. Ireland
Catherine Emma Waldie 24
Bessie Bryce Waldie 22
David Ewing Waldie 20
Sarah Marcella Waldie 18
Roberta Campbell Waldie 16
Jessie Clark 47, servant cook
Janet Coutts 25, housemaid
Address: Laverock Bank Rd The Grove, Leith North
Regards.
Monica
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thankyou very much for your replies, I only just found this forum and it looks pretty good, i didn't know where to -post my specific querry so i am glad you noticed it.
My great grandad james william waldie lived in leith but not sure how long, my dad never had any info on him. I know james was born 1855 and he married a naomi gilbert but in nz.
There first child was david waldie and that is why i wondered if james father might be david as the scottish families named there eldest after their parents parent.
some waldies three brothers i think were coal merchants
but i don't know where to look to find out and how to find james family left behind in leith. I don't know if james parents came to nz too. I have searched everywhere.
I have just subcrribed to one great family for 3month s so maybe now i may get somewhere.
karen
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Hi Karen
Apart from the submitted entry for James on IGI with a birth of 15 Aug 1855, I'm not seeing a corresponding entry for him on Scotlands People, the official pay to view site for BMD certificates/images. Official registration began in 1855 in Scotland, so it would show if it was this year.
On the 1861 Census I can see two entries for a James, child with father David (birth years between 1850-60 but their birth places are not in Midlothian and father David x2 each show unconnected occupations to the coal business).
There is another David, Coal Merchant, born Leith showing in 1871, but his son James was not born until 1864 according to his age on the census.
Have you tried searching for your James's marriage or death cert in NZ, hopefully they should include details of his parents' names.
Regards.
Monica
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hi, yes i've tried nz but haven't puchased any certificates.i've been trying to locate my james first before i get a cert but it's very hard to find any info.
those waldies could be related but if james father was david he'd be born around 1830.
i am working on my one world tree so hopefully james parents will appear soon.
thankyou if you see anything more please let me know.
monica, those names are some of the same namess james used for his children.
i have a jessie, janet,and david. all born nz.and margaret my grandmother.
other children were robert,mabel,ethel?,kate,grace ,james liz?i'd have to check my notes but i'm pretty sure. and they had 11 children.
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hi karen,
had a wee look at your post, from the earliest census record i can see only 2 brothers as coal merchants, but that is not to say a third joined later.
1841 census- steads place...st. cuthbert's...midlothian
james...age 35...coal merchant
margaret...age 35
james...age 10
margaret...age 8
david...age 6
charles...age 3
jessie...age 1
robert (maybe this is his brother)...age 25...coal merchant
margaret fife...age 70
only the children are showing as born midlothian.
always searching
Joe
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hello joe, wow i wonder if david age 6 is my james dad, all his brothers and sisters names are used in james children.
how can i find out? i know i won't find anything in nz.
i feel so close to finding out.
karen
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Karen
This is the family headed by a David, coal merchant, that I referred to earlier and I am pretty confident originally from the family found by Joe in 1841:
David Waldie 35, coal merchant, b. North Leith
Margaret Waldie 22, b. Ayr
Alex B Waldie 8
James P Waldie 7
Wm Blackwood Waldie 3
Elizabeth G Banter 17, servant
Margaret Glass 22, servant
Address: 6 Grove St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
These are the birth of the children showing to David and Margaret Blackwood on IGI:
1. ALEXANDER BLACKWOOD WALDIE Birth: 27 APR 1862 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
2. JAMES PATERSON WALDIE Birth: 09 FEB 1864 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
3. DAVID WALDIE Birth: 19 FEB 1866 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
4. WILLIAM BLACKWOOD WALDIE Birth: 04 JUL 1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
5. MARGARET MC LEAN WALDIE Birth: 25 JUN 1872 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Karen, the problem we have here is one of verification. There is no entry showing for a James (William) Waldie b. 1855 +/- 2yrs, and none with a father David in that period where the father has an occupation related to the coal industry.
The only ones showing on the later censuses are either the family above headed by a David or the family headed by a James that I posted earlier. Both their sons called James look to have been born in the early 1860s.
Without some form of verification from NZ documents, it is hard to be more definite.
Regards.
Monica :)
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thankyou so much for all your wonderful help, my mum has our family tree book at her place quite a few hours from where i live, and she says there isn't much on the waldie family but she did have james william waldie born august 15th 1855 water of leith, so i thought he'd be easy to find on the internet, but no way. anyway i'm going to have another look through nz births and marrages and just get a cert then i'll have another look.
you've given me lots to go by as i am pretty new at this ancestry stuff. all my other family lines were really easy.
and mr waldie is a good challenge.
mrs magoo.
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Having a difficult tree member is half of the fun! Unfortunately, the date that you have for his birth doesn't look to be correct and there starts the hunt...There are 6 births showing on Scotlands People between 1855-60, all show on IGI at family search if you want to double check. The only one with a David as father is in 1860 and this is one of the ones I mentioned where the father doesn't seem to have anything to do with the coal industry. Your two coal merchant Waldies (James and David) were having their children, including a son James, in the 1860s. It would be good for you to establish James Waldie's age through some other documentation.
You might also want to put a post up on the emigrants board to NZ here on RootsChat www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,299.0.html where people with more specific resources for NZ might be able to help with shipping lists etc. Put a link to this post here so that people have all the info that has been gathered to date.
Let us know how you get on and if you need any additional help on the Scottish side once you can establish a bit more on your James :)
In the meantime, have a look at this post from Pam about Scottish research and resources which will give you a good overview www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Regards.
Monica
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i'm going to do those things you sugested monica, and last night i rang mum to check up on James birth and yes he was born 15 august 1855, but nothing on his family back in leith. and it had a marrage certificate for james son james born in nz. It said james senior waas a blacksmith,.
james from leith maried in 25 sept 1876 milton otago to naomi gilbert from cornwall. and i've found out where he is buried with naomi. so i have something to go on now.
I hope to get back and let you know i've found james parents. My dad never knew his grandparents waldies which is because his mum was the youngest in family of 11 and she and grandad didn't marry until 38yrs age.
I notice people getting married at that age today and it seems like it's not that old in todays age.
karen
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Hi Karen
One last bite at the apple from me for now...and I think I may have found Robert Waldie, the potential brother to the James Waldie found by Joe in the 1841 Census. Given the marriage date for your James in NZ (1876), he was probably born pre- 1855. It may be that the James and David I posted earlier in later censuses were actually cousins to your James (it gets confusing as always with similar family names!)
I have found this entry in the 1851 census and can find no further trace of this family post this census, which is a good sign if they were to have left the UK for NZ sometime between 1851-61:
Robert Waldie 35, Commission Agent, b. Berwickshire
Catherine Waldie 31, , b. South Leith
Jessie Waldie 11, b. Lanarkshire
Janet Waldie 7, b. North Leith
Mary Duncan Waldie 3, b. South Leith
James Waldie 1, b. South Leith
R G W Goldie 20, lodger
Duncan Robertson 20, lodger
Henry Shanks 21, lodger
Address: 38 Quality St, Leith South
This looks like the above couple's marriage, actual extract from the OPRs:
ROBERT WALDIE Marriages: CATHARINE OGILVY BAIN
Marriage: 03 JUN 1842 North Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Karen, one to file away until you get further info. The good thing is that there are not that many James Waldies born in the period you are looking at - don't worry, with a little more info, we'll find him ;)
Regards.
Monica
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In case this turns out to be your James... J.J.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranent_to_Cockenzie_Waggonway
http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/codocs.asp?CR=B27909
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In the 1861 census at 1 Smith's Place Leith Walk,
James R Waldie 29 b 1832 Edinburgh ? Coal Merchant
Amelia Wilson Waldie 28 b 1833 Leith Wife
James Frances Waldie 1 b 1860 Leith ?
plus 1 servant Jane Affleck 20 from Berwickshire
In the 1871 census at Cockburn Bank in Edinburgh,
James Waldie 39 b 1832 Edinburgh Coal Merchant
Amelia Waters Waldie 38 b 1833 Edinburgh wife
James Francis Waldie 11 b 1860 Edinburgh Scholar
Alexander Blackwood Walide 8 b 1863 Nephew Scholar
Jeannie Logan Waldie 1 b 1870 Edinburgh Son???
and 2 servants
In 1881 there is a James Francis Waldie is staying in Glasgow with his uncle, James Rennie, minister in UP church. I cannot find Father James and mother Amelia in this census. The father, James Waldie b 1832 died in Colinton, Edinburgh in 1915. In 1872 there is death of Amelia Waldie in St Andrews parish, Edinburgh
So I suspect that James Francis Waldie may have gone to NZ after his short time in Glasgow. If not the Coal Merchant connection is there.
Tom
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We're awash with James Waldies ;D - and I think they are all blood line.
Going back to Joe's 1841 entry:
1841 census- steads place...st. cuthbert's...midlothian
james...age 35...coal merchant
margaret...age 35
james...age 10
margaret...age 8
david...age 6
charles...age 3
jessie...age 1
robert (maybe this is his brother)...age 25...coal merchant
margaret fife...age 70
only the children are showing as born midlothian.
1. I think the James above, showing as age 10, is the one that married Amelia Muir and the one that you have shown Tom in 1861/71. Amelia died in 1872 and I think likely that he remarried the Catherine Charlotte who shows as his wife in 1901, as per my post. He did have a son James Francis Waldie born in 1860.
2. I also think likely that the David showing above age 6, is that one that married Margaret Blackwood and I included the family's entry in 1871. He also had a son James Paterson Waldie in 1864.
3. Karen's James William Waldie was marrying in NZ in 1876, so both of these James would have been too young. I think James William was probably son of Robert Waldie b. in Berwickshire. Remember from Joe's 1841 family that the two older Waldie's James and Robert were showing as born outside of the county and that would fit with what we are seeing in the 1851 entry for Robert and wife Catherine with a James (William?) born in 1850 in Leith. Apart from Robert and Catherine's marriage which shows on the OPRs, none of the children's births are showing. This family also seems to disappear after 1851, which would make sense if the whole family left for NZ after this date.
All theory until we manage to get a little more info from NZ ::)
Regards.
Monica
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From the 1881 Census, James widower of Amelia has now remarried to Catherine Charlotte:
James Waldie 47, Coal Merchant, b. Edinburgh
Catherine C Waldie 40, b. Ireland
Catherine A Waldie 5
Bessie B Waldie 2
David Waldie 8 Mo
Annie A Rennie 13, niece b. Glasgow (connecting to the Glasgow family that James Francis is with in 1881)
Barbra Shields 16, niece, b. ireland
Address: 9 Laverock Bk R ''The Grove'', Leith North
And son James Francis Waldie, a clerk, is over in Glasgow with the Rennies, his uncle and aunt Catherine, who shows as born in Leith, as you have found Tom.
The other James Paterson Waldie son of David is at home with family:
David Waldie 45, Coal Master & Merchant, b. North Leith
Margaret B Waldie 42
Alexander B Waldie 18
James P Waldie 17, Accountant'S Clerk
William B Waldie 13
Margaret Mc L Waldie 8
Janet Ritchie 22
Address: 3 Clifton Terrace, st George Edinburgh
So confirming that both the younger Jameses are still in Scotland in 1881....we're back to the James b. 1850 son of Robert...... ::)
Monica
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mrs magoo is getting a head ache. :P
anyway i have been looking at james and naomi's first two childrens names
david hannibal
elizabeth janet
now both names of children have both naomi and james parents names i reckon,
naomi's mum and dad were hannibal and elizabeth
and maybe james parents are david waldie married janet cook
6th jjune 1847 st cuthberts edinburgh
janets dad was james cook.
please help me confirm, i have sent for james and naomi's marrage cert in nz $20 so that is not to expensive.
but if it has no more info i will be pulling my hair out. ;D
i am really hoping these are james parents.
karen
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Leaving aside the obvious entries for the Waldie coal merchants family lines and looking purely at potential David Waldies in the age group to be your James's father, I have found this entry in 1841....the address is interesting ::). Everyone showing as born in the county:
John Waldie 45, quarrier
Mary Waldie 45
David Waldie 20, carter
Laing Waldie 15
Mary Waldie 13
William Waldie 10
Andrew Waldie 3
Address: Village Water Of Leith Dam Side, Edinburgh St Cuthbert's
Monica
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This looks like David Waldie and Janet Cook in 1851. Everyone showing as born in Edinburgh except Janet:
David Waldie 30, Carter (distillery)
Janet Cook Waldie 27, b. Lach Gilly, Fife
Isabella Waldie 2
Mary Waldie 8 Mo
William Williamson 2 Mo, newphew
Address: Bells Mills, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
Only two children's entries show on IGI:
1. ELIZABETH WALDIE Birth: 09 JUL 1848 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
2. MARY ANN LAING WALDIE Christening: 08 SEP 1850 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Monica
Added: Cannot see any trace of this family either after 1851 census.
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One more child showing to David and Janet Cook from SP's OPR index:
26/09/1852 WALDIE JOHN DAVID WALDIE/JANE COOK FR9619 M St Cuthbert's EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/002 0360 0702
Monica
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Re: Waldie Coal Merchants
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 20:27:11 »
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From the 1881 Census, James widower of Amelia has now remarried to Catherine Charlotte:
James Waldie 47, Coal Merchant, b. Edinburgh
Catherine C Waldie 40, b. Ireland
Catherine A Waldie 5
Bessie B Waldie 2
David Waldie 8 Mo
Annie A Rennie 13, niece b. Glasgow (connecting to the Glasgow family that James Francis is with in 1881)
Barbra Shields 16, niece, b. ireland
Address: 9 Laverock Bk R ''The Grove'', Leith North
I think I have been in this house 9 Laverock Bank Grove, in Newhaven , right next door to Starbank Park, it was an upper terraced house which had a view over FIrth of Forth. I used to have a girl freind who stayed there, the father's names was Frank Luke. Talk about a small world.
Another thing, I can recollect a company name around Haymarket Station yards in Edinburgh, as Bruce Lyndsay Waldie. I wonder if this coal merchants business was connected too.
Tom
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Small world indeed Tom ;)
Karen, you might find this site interesting, including photos and maps of the Water of Leith area www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_a_o/0_around_edinburgh_-_water_of_leith.htm
For a definite description of the Water of Leith and more photos:
Flowing from Harperrig Reservoir in the Pentland Hills, the Water of Leith journeys north east for 18 miles (29 km) through West Lothian and the City of Edinburgh before flowing into the Firth of Forth at Leith. The river has provided power for a succession of mills dating back to at least the 13th Century At their peak there were more than 100 and these included meal, corn and paper mills at Balerno, paper and snuff mills at Currie, a grain mill which still operates at Juniper Green, a sawmill at Colinton and further mills at Stenhouse, Dean Village, Canonmills (where the river is known as the Puddocky Burn) Bonnington and Leith. These mills, along with sewage which entered the river, brought significant pollution, a problem which persisted into the 20th C.
The Water of Leith runs through steep post-glacial gorges at Colinton and Dean, which cut through sedimentary rocks of Lower Carboniferous age. The Water of Leith walkway was first recognised for its amenity value in 1949, but was not formally instituted until 1973. Today it forms a picturesque and tranquil route for 13 miles (21 km) through the city.
Source: www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurefirst2805.html
Regards.
Monica
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i just remembered one of james and naomis children had the name cook, Ethel Temarama cook waldie ,mum and i had a feeling because of captain cook, just wanted the name there, but if james mum was janet cook this would make sense, as all naoimi glibert side did this, brought maiden names in.
i have some looking to do into your replies thankyou.
mrs magoo :o
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Yay Monica!Looks good...
IGI extracted marriage http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
David Waldie & Janet Cook... June 6th 1847 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh
Here's a really old David, Leith, in case he turns out to be an ancestor in your line....(1569!) J.J.
mrs magoo ...may want to post other siblings for Ethel Temarama cook waldie as well!
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Monica...did you notice we just got more stars and a new silly title? heehee
That is weird...because I just noticed mine and then just now I noticed you are nearly the same amount :D J.J.
Mrs. Magoo, I see many of the children listed as submissions on the IGI...
Your Ethel not included...The second born was Elizabeth Janet Waldie...
David's middle name Hannibal was used a lot in England, according to IGI, and elsewhere, but not in Scotland of note, so perhaps was from Naomi's side of the family...
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all waldie children born nz james and naomi -parents
david hannibal b. 6th july 1877
elizabeth janet b1878
gilbert waldie oct 10 1880
james william feb 6 1882 d. 1946
robert sept 5 1883
jessie naomi 30 oct 1885
mable jane 25 june 1888
kate mariana 8 may 1892
ethel temarama cook feb 19 1894
margaret blanche 4 aug 1895 d 8 june 1969(grandma)
hannibal gilbert and elizabeth congdon parents to naomi
some of the waldie children were named after naomi's siblings.
like mariana.
i think we are getting somewhere.
karen
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Hi Karen and JJ
Karen, you definitely have a combination of Scottish and English names there for the children of James and Naomi (Naomi you said came from Cornwall).
Really pleased to hear that the surname of Cook may be there as a middle name for Ethel (although normally it would be linked to the relevant person, including first name, on either the father or mother's side - and Ethel is most certainly English, Temarama..no idea!).
If this does turn out to be the right family for your James, I wonder where the connection to the Coal Merchant Waldies comes in. Maybe back a couple of generations?
Regards.
Monica
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This looks like the marriage entry for the parents of David born c. 1821:
JOHN WALDIE Marriages: Spouse: MARY LAING (Father John Laing)
Marriage: 27 AUG 1812 Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
A number of children show for them on IGI, a combination of submitted entries and actual extract from the OPRs.
Monica
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Te marama,marama they are maori names uesed here in nz.
naomi's youngest sister was born here in nz marama gilbert.
Naomi came here with parents and some siblings along time ago, as on her death notice she died 84yrs and lived here for 70yrs.
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It's a lovely name - I thought it was probably of NZ origin :)
Monica
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:D yes, it is a very pretty name! Unique to me...
I see that Hannibal was the name of her father and Elizabeth the name of the mother...Perhaps they had their own method of name patterning ... :D
Monica's given you a good start, I think...Hope that you can find your proof so that you can go on!!!!! Best of luck with the rest of your research... J.J.
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yes thankyou monica you have given me heaps so i'll give ye a bit of rest (he he) i will be happy searching with new leads. karen
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My paste didn't work above, so here's the link..."David Waldie" Leith 1569
http://www.scotsfind.org/edinburgh_access/edinburgh.pdf
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thankyou jj i have been looking at that link . so i've been taking lots of notes so idon't miss something.
karen
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Don't forget to come back with any news and confirmation of James's parents which will hopefully show on his marriage cert. ::)
Monica
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i 'll be back hopefully with some more news and hopefully with a line of james i've never had .
it's so awesome like actually meeting your ancestor.
karen :D
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hi guys, well i got james waldie marriage cert and it didn't show any parents for him so i don't think i will ever find his folks. he was born in scotland and died in nz so they won't have anything here for abirth certificate i shouldn't think.
I don't want to give up but don't know what else to do.
mrs magoo :-[
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Awe...Don't give up! You never know what info will turn up over time! :D
Post some other rellie queries and have fun! :) J.J.
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okey dokey, i won't give up yet JJ.
I found a norley relative in kent going back to 1650.
pretty amazing and found out there was a huge tragedy in 1683 in woodchurch kent england.
It turns out my, i think 4xgrandfather and his older brother were aged 3yr and 6yrs at the time. and nearly the whole village was wiped out by something. The mum died first in september and then their dad and uncle next in october.
the two boys survived and their uncles wife (aunty) survived. So am wondering if anyone has any tips on how i could find out what happened. I have tried a google serch on woodchurch 1683 but nothing pops up.
everyone was buried around the same time and together.
mrs magoo ::)
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hello, again, well still looking for james waldie born 1855.
i am pretty sure he is david and janets son born st cuthbert scotland, i found the son john born 1852 but still no james.
I think i have found all of david's family, that is parents and 8 brothers and sisters.
so they weren't with coal merchants.
That's amazing how tom had been to the house of one family of waldies.
I have been researching my grandmothers name margaret blanche waldie as i was curious how she got the name blanche. It turn out there are blanche surname married to waldies there but nothing still to connect my james.
if any of you can help me here would be very appreciated.
just hope i can help anyone too.
karen
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hello everyone, just found my james waldie family ancestors and they were david waldie and janet cook from midlothian scotland. I found them by chance a few moments ago on ancestry when i signed in. I am ecstatic as this was a huge mystery solved by me and you guys with your tips. thankyou very much.
On the record it had my james name only for child of david waldie and janet cook, which makes it all the more special. And it shows davids parents john waldie and mary laing.
:D i am over the moon.
mrs magoo
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I've been away for a month and just been catching up on your posts (warm sands quickly disappearing from my memory is this cold and wet London :'()
I'm really pleased that you have found verification to the info we posted earlier :) Brilliant that you found it! I wonder where the coal merchant family lore crept in from?
Regards.
Monica
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Mrs magoo...I am a long time WALDIE researcher.Have just this morn read your posts and all the wonderful help you are getting.
Over the 25-30 I have gleaned way too much WALDIE material....so I though I would take a look...Well..Lo and behold,just a quick look produced this.
It is an Archive Record form Salt LAke,(when I was there.)
JAMES WILLIAM WALDIE born Aug 15 1855 Water of Leith (Sorry no parents listed)
Wife was..NAOMI GILBERT born Mar 30 1857 in Gunesalls,Cornwall,England.
She died May 17 1941 in Dunedin,Otago,NZ and buried 2 days later..same place.
Her Mother's name was ELIZABETH CONGDON.
This couple had 10 listed children..DAVID HANNIBAL WALDIE was born July 6 1877 in Dunedin,... married Mar 13 1901 to ___?___ BOWIE and he died Jan 30 1927.
This info was from a family Bible..a neice of Mable Jane Crab,who was the daughter of Mable Jane Crab...AND was submitted to the LDS for selaing etc.
Mable Jane was a younger sister to David H Waldie.
If you are interested I could scan this and send to you...but need an email address...
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hello there, i thought i would start with the coal merchants as there were2 brothers waldies known to be doing that, but my waldie i found the parents of james waldie was a carter (distillery)
all that info you have there are my waldies, and it was mabel craib, my e-mail is [email removed please use PM system]i would love any info, and great to find another researcher of waldies. Dad knew nothing of his waldie rellies so have had to look for awhile to find them.
my grandmother was the youngest of the 10 children and rather spoilt too i think. she was margaret blanche waldie.
she married twice one was mr wilie and then my grandad roy stanley jacobs.
mrs magoo
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Hi Karen
One last bite at the apple from me for now...and I think I may have found Robert Waldie, the potential brother to the James Waldie found by Joe in the 1841 Census. Given the marriage date for your James in NZ (1876), he was probably born pre- 1855. It may be that the James and David I posted earlier in later censuses were actually cousins to your James (it gets confusing as always with similar family names!)
I have found this entry in the 1851 census and can find no further trace of this family post this census, which is a good sign if they were to have left the UK for NZ sometime between 1851-61:
Robert Waldie 35, Commission Agent, b. Berwickshire
Catherine Waldie 31, , b. South Leith
Jessie Waldie 11, b. Lanarkshire
Janet Waldie 7, b. North Leith
Mary Duncan Waldie 3, b. South Leith
James Waldie 1, b. South Leith
R G W Goldie 20, lodger
Duncan Robertson 20, lodger
Henry Shanks 21, lodger
Address: 38 Quality St, Leith South
This looks like the above couple's marriage, actual extract from the OPRs:
ROBERT WALDIE Marriages: CATHARINE OGILVY BAIN
Marriage: 03 JUN 1842 North Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Karen, one to file away until you get further info. The good thing is that there are not that many James Waldies born in the period you are looking at - don't worry, with a little more info, we'll find him ;)
Regards.
Monica
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Hi New to this forum but thought I would let you know what I know on Catherine Ogilvy Bain born 1st December 1817 South Leith parents William Bain and CAtherine Hind I have her married to David Waldie in 1842,
I am tracing the Bain line name through her brother Adam White Bain.
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Sorry new to this wanted to Add I am pretty sure Catherine Ogilvy Bain was still living at home with her father in 1841 census
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Not to complicate things, but I also have Waldie's from Water Of Leith!
Could they be related? St Cuthbert's truly was awash with Waldies! ::)
1841 Address: Water Of Leith Sth Side, St Cuthbert's -Midlothian
WALDIE Alex M 35 Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
WALDIE Martha F 25 England
WALDIE Cathrine F 17 Midlothian
WALDIE Isabella F 13 Midlothian
WALDIE Helen F 10 Midlothian
WALDIE Smith F 4 Midlothian
WALDIE Jemima F 2 Midlothian
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hi everyone and i see there are waldies still appearing. this alex could be related to my waldies born in st cuthbert water of leith scot.
i have been overwelmed this past few weeks. have met a distant cousin on the waldie line just last friday. and james william waldie born 1855 came to nz with mum janet and a brother and sister in 1858. on the strathfieldsaye to port chalmers. janet's husband may have died(david waldie) born 1821
he never came and nor did the older children.
janet remarried in 1860 to a david gardyne and they had 6 more kids.
james grew up and in march 1897 he had a family but he went to klondyke gold fields in alaska. in december 1898 his wife naomi put some of james letters to her and the family in the otago paper. that james and his mates made it to klondyke and it was so fascinating i just can't quite believe what i have been given. anyway i am so pleased i found my great grandfathers life.
It ended quite sadly though, at first i thought he took off to alaska gold fields never to be seen again, then this week it turns out he sent letters home and returned to nz but seems he didn't make a fortune he abandoned naomi and after a few payments for child care he simply disappeared. Naomi searched for her husband for 9 yrs and then decided he may have killed himself because he may have been depressed.
james and naomis son david hannibal waldie went to the boar war and there was a letter in the paper about him being captured but treated well, he came back and married.
so thankyou all of you because you helped me at the beginning to find some happy and sad treasures in my family that could well have stayed hidden.
when my cousin turned up last friday he even gave me a glimpse of a waldie family photo and my grandma was the baby in the photo but i have to get a copy off her . well it certainly iisn't finished about my waldies and feel there is lot's more to find out.
karen
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Here are my Waldie's in 1851, though the dates and names are don't match exactly this is definitely them.
1851 House 15, Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Midlothian
Helen Calderhead F 40, b. Cramond, Midlothian Wife
Thomas Calderhead M 39, b. Cramond, Midlothian Head, Ag Lab
Alex Waldie M 60, b. St Cuthberts, Midlothian (lodger), Ag Lab
Martha Waldie F 40, b. England (lodger's wife)
Barbara Waldie F 11, b. St Cuthbert, Edin (lodger's daug), Scholar
Alexander Waldie M 9, b. St Cuthbert, Edin (lodger's son), Scholar
Janet Waldie F 7, b. St Cuthbert, Edin (lodger's daug), Scholar
My Alexander Waldie was first married to Betsy Wadday, he then remarried Martha ? from England.
I cannot find him after 1861 and there does not appear to be a relevant death certificate.
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My Alexander Waldie was christened 6 Jul 1795 to John Waldie and Janet Tod(d)/Jod(d). Does this link in this anything anyone else has?
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it now seems james waldies older sister elizabeth came with the family to nz too in 1858 as i found her married to james muir in otago nz.
david waldie born about 1821 his father john waldie was born in cramond scot
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could anyone help me please.My grandfather was frederick waldie born 1884 Glasgow. he died Melbourne Australia. his parents were frederick and bridget waldie nee dorgan. I seemed to have come to such a stop. PLEASE any help or suggestions?
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Hi Helen
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You have a much better chance of getting some responses if you create a new post on the Lanarkshire board with a specific heading for Frederick. This Waldie post is for the Midlothian Waldies and relates to number of families from that area.
Regards.
Monica
Added: The family is in Govan, Lanarkshire for the 1891/1901 censuses. In 1901, Frederick Snr. looks to have remarried. I'll wait for you do add the post to the Lanarkshire board and then add the census entries there to help you keep responses all together :)
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HI Mrs Magoo,
I have a David Waldie and Janet Waldie (nee Cook) GGG aunts Marriage certificate of Oct 3 1884 in Woodend NZ, near Christchurch.
It says on the certificate that David was a carter.
Could we be distantly related?
Derrick
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really ! derrick, must be a rellie somewhere down the line, my janet cook did marry my ggreat grandfather david waldie but in 1847 in edinburgh scotland.
janet came to port chalmers nz and lived in akatore, otago.
i wonder if they are related, don't know what happend to david as he never came to nz but on daughter elizabeth waldies marriage in papers past she is daughter of late david waldie 8th november 1894 and step daughter of david gardyne,akatore,nz
karen ::)
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my david waldie was also a carter/distillery
karen
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i also meant to ask what is your gggaunts name, and was david origionally from water of leith,edinburgh,
my janet cook was daughter of james cook and maybe elizabeth erskine, of auschterderran,scotland.
love to hear more
karen
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Than you for the reply Karen,
A brief history;
Me ->
P McPhie (nee Gillies) (Mum) ->
Cecil Gillies (G) b 1902 ->
Henry McFarlane Gillies (GG) b 1868 ->
Jane Thomson Gillies (GGA) b 1861 m 3 Oct 1884 Woodend NZ John Waldie b 1854
+ 7 other siblings
Alexander McBride Gillies (GGG) b 1835. m 1860 Mary McFarlane
Alexander Gillies (GGGG) b circa 1801 m Mary Duncan
Daniel Gillies (GGGGG) b circa 1790s
So far I have been unable to find Janes birth certificate, but I will keep looking.
Interestingly, the marriage certificate says John Waldie was born in Scotland, but the cemetary printout has him as a native of Timaru dying in 1942 with last address as Timaru Sth Cantebury at the age of 93yo.
Jane died in 1936 last address of Wakari, where she was married.
So a little bit of a puzzle.
Cheers for now Derrick
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that could be my janet cooks son john waldie, she came to nz with 2 sons and one daughter,
john i have him born 1852 and james my great grandfather in 1855, james would have been 3 years old and john 6years and elizabeth 10.
i hope it's him fancy living to 93, my great grandfather disappeared early 1900 so will probably never know when he passed.
I know james son allso james waldie lived in timaru
karen
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derrick i have found cemetery printouts to not be very acurate, as james waldie my ggreat grandfather married naomi gilbert, it has on her printout she had been in nz since age 14 but she hadn't at all as in the shipping list for nz she came at 3 years old with the gilbert family.
karen
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Abeit a tad late I cannot resist a response because I remember waldies the Coal merchants in Edinburgh - even remember them delivering to my family home about half a century ago. This link may be of interest: http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_my_p_edwk/0_my_photographs_edinburgh_at_work_-_bruce_lindsay_waldie.htm.
The Berwickshire connection mentioned above may appear to have some credibility because of the Berwickshire servant employed by the family but I would suggest looking in Liberton and Newton parishes where there were Wladies connected to coal in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
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Thankyou for this, i will have a look, my waldies were caters(distillery) and quarriers around ,cramond and leith area, some of the laing family married into the waldie family were in dalmeny, so it's really good to beable to see these places. i know my gg grandma who married my david waldie was a coal miner in her teenage years. she later ccame to nz after her david died in 1855 he is buried in the dean cemetery, i had a good look at some burial notices but haven't found him although someone has confirmed it for me.
karen :D
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i meant to say they were carters not caters
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Waldie was the biggest carriers in Glasgow, I had a gt uncle who was a cairter with Waldie. I think his stables held thousands of horses rather than hundreds. Skoosh.
Sorry folks, I've muddied the waters here. The Glasgow carriers were "Wordie's".
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though your item was posted in 2008 I have just found it. I am researching the same Bain family. Adam White Bain being my husband's 2x great-grandfather.
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i have deleted my post as i have found evidence it wasn't correct at all,and am searching my waldies further in getting the right family,ancestry.com can be very frustrating as there are many erors
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This is a bit late, but I know that Roberta Campbell Waldie, daughter of James Alexander Waldie Coal Merchant married Dr William Wells Greer in August 1907 and settled in Australia, returning to England in 1924. Ray
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Hi Helen-Darleen,
Noticed your interest into the Waldie family.
I do not have a Frederick Waldie in my tree, but I do have a David James Waldie. He married Lois Merle Vincent, in Tasmania.
Perhaps you could focus some of your time to the Waldie family in Tassie.
Waldie is not a common name, and you would think that perhaps some of your family, may have hopped over to Tassie.
I do not know Davids history, but I have it from an old tree, that his father was John.
There are only about 3 Waldie's in the T.A.M.I.O.T. Index listed.
John Basil Waldie
Pearl Winifred Waldie [John's wife].
And an E.S. Waldie, buried at Wivenhoe Cemetery.
Hope the above is of some help.
riverrat
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i have some evidence this alexander waldie is my john waldie who married mary laing,is his brother,both had father as quarrier,and john himself was a quarrier,both born in st cuthbert midlothian ,and alex is living not far from john waldie's widow mary in 1851 census.
karen
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Hi Karen,
Don't know if you are still following this post, but I just happened upon your reply.
It does indeed seem like your John and my Alexander were related.
My Alexander Waldie born 1795 had a brother John born 1793, both St Cuthbert's. This could be your ancestor.
Their parents were John Waldie, a Quarrier and Carter (born 5 Oct 1763 Ratho, died of Cholera 17 Mar 1832 Water of Leith, St Cuthbert's) and Janet Todd (born about 1757, died of Asthma 15 Dec 1825 Water of Leith, St Cuthbert's)
Two of your John Waldie's first children are called Jean and John, which would match the parents' names.
I've learnt a lot more about the family through my research over the past years, and if this is your family, I hope we can share research. I've traced my Waldies back to the 1720s.
Tunji
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I don't know if you know, but the index to the St Cuthbert's Parochial Board Paupers' Claims 1850-1852 are indexed and on the Edinburgh City Archives website: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/428/archives/240/information_preserved_at_edinburgh_city_archives/2
Mary Laing is listed:
Mary Waldie, Widow, Female, 57, admitted 1849, 1 child dependant, 2 children working, Damside Water of Leith
See link for full details
This means John Waldie probably died before 1849. There are several John Waldie deaths in the 1840s St Cuthbert's death records. I think one of them is likely to be him.
I also found a Laing Waldie, died 12 Aug 1849 St Cuthbert's
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Sounds good Tunjilees,
I have my 3x grandfather who married Mary Laing died 7 aug 1842 due to decline,Edinburgh Scotland.
Mary parents were John and Jean Laing nee cook
John Waldie's John and Janet nee Todd like you have.
Laing Waldie is brother of my 2x grandfather David Waldie .
John and Mary Waldie nee Laing had 9 children,
Jean married Matthews and came to New Zealand
john(have more for him
David(my gg)
Laing
Mary
William(came to New Zealand and worked for his sister Jean)
Alexander died age 1
janet died age 4
Andrew died young
I would love to share what I have I do have a tree on ancestry.com which you can see on Mundia website,jacobs/beaver tree
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I'm interested in the family of James Alexander WALDIE (1832-1915) and Catherine Charlotte (nee Brown) (1840-1922) coal merchants of Edinburgh. Their daughter Roberta m. William Greer at Edinburgh in 1907. Is this the same family?
Ray
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ok who were James Alexanders parents
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I see I will have to read all the past posts again lol,it has been awhile when we posted,but then I havn't looked at the dates either yet since I posted
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James's parents were James and Margaret nee PATTERSON.
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Hi Ray
I don't think yours is the same family. From the 1851 census your James snr was born in Roxburgh whereas our Waldies were from Ratho before St Cuthberts.
Karen, do you actually have any coal merchants on your side of the family?
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Thanks.
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at first I thought I did have coal merchants that were Waldies,but although could be cousins to my waldies they are not direct link as far as I know Tunji,will sort my tree for you and e-mail when I can .