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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: BABAJACK on Friday 13 July 07 17:48 BST (UK)
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I have been doing my family history for a while now but have come to a halt... I am trying to find any info on WILLIAM ARCHER he was born in 1812 and lived in Salop?? i do not know if he was born there, i know he lived there as it says so on his convict records, he was transported to tasmania at the age of fifteen.
Really desperate to find out if he was born in Salop or else where also if possible try and find his parents, anybody who thinks they might be able to help in any way please get in touch... thankyou so much. :)
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Hi Babajack....Welcome to Rootschat :)
The IGI has 5 William Archers baptised in Salop/Shropshire between 1807 & 1812.
One is William Archer bap 5 July 1812 Bromfield Shropshire
Father John
Mother Eleanor.
This William has a sibling Thomas Bapt 1809.
If he goes on to marry does his marriage cert give anything away?
Tazzie
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Hi both and welcome Babajack :)
I thought tha above one looked very promising, Tazzie ... until I found
Burials Bromfield
21 Jul 1812 ,William Archer, infant bur. :(
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there is a baptism Wellington All Saints 15 Nov 1807 William Archer parents James and Sarah
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Hi Tati....shame about that one ...would have been too easy :)
Quite a few William Archers from Devon to Northamptonshire show up as transported.
Babajack do you know the trail date or the boat he arrived on?
Tazzie
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Hi I have some records from tasmania... he was transported on the bussarah merchant around 1830.. he married in 1839 to a marion wilson, i know he was 15 when transported but not much more as the document is quite hard to read, can i upload it on here???
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by the way thanks so much great response didnt expect this, thanks
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Hi...
Have you got the marriage cert and if so does it name a parent?
I will have a dig about to find out about the boat.
Tazzie
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The ship was the Bussorah Merchant have found a painting of her
http//members.iinet.net.au/~dodd/gail/tallships/Bussorah.html
She sailed from London/Downs. So will look further.
Tazzie
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tazzie you are great... love the pic... have got a record of marriage not a cert...they were married in the district of launceston 17th april 1839 in st johns church launceston, all of the docs i have are a3 size and my scanner only does a4 so cannot really upload them, i have added part of what i have, thanks so much for helping.
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Hi see what you mean about the scan.
Looks like "Transported for House (breaking?)
and I am sure I can pick out the word Stafford.
There is a William Archer bap 1811 and another 1813 in Staffs.But I may be way off the mark with what I can read into it.
I would ask if someone can look up the records in Launceston cause if we can get a name it will be so much easier. Post a request on the Aus board. Someone may be able to take a look for us.
I will wait to see what happens. The Bussorah later took fee paying Brits out to Australia and on a run prior to 1830 (in1828) arrived carrying smallpox. Cannot find that link again ??? Must be doing something wrong.
Tazzie
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Babajack, where was William tried for his crimes? If you can work that out from his paperwork (it will most likely be an Assizes or a Quarter Sessions) then you may get some more info about him from the trial records - if you are VERY lucky it will give you something about his birthplace, home or parentage, but that's not been my experience unfortunately :(
Prue
P.S. Have put a link from your other thread back to this thread, to avoid duplication of responses etc. Here's a link back to your other thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=244282
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hi thanks for the help, all i can see on the documents is that he lived in salop also just noticed on one of the docs that it says - native place - plymouth? on this doc i have attached as tazzie said it looks like stafford is mentioned and also plymouth- its very hard to read!!!
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Can you scan the top right and bottom right bits only, so we can read the rest of the text that's there?
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i spent most of the night trying to do a photoshop pic merging ect but it is too big to upload on here so i will try and scan the bits that are missing...
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Hi Babajack.....
Yep look to me as though it reads....
Transported for HOUSE BREAKING. Good report--- ----- ------
Health Report -------- with the cane for destroying his case?
The bit here is faint...but further along is the name Archer and is it Beckwith Stafford? I cannot see a place called Beckwith in Staffs.
Prue is better at reading text so I will wait and see how she reads it...me I am probably over due at the opticians ;D
Catch you later ...two small people to entertain today. Weather here cannot make it's mind up!
Tazzie
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thanks tazzie, tell me about the weather not far from you and never know what to wear hot then rain then cold, good old britain. thanks for your help.
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Hi ....Just back for another look..
It says Locksmith of Stafford. Not Beckwith Stafford....told you my eye sight was going down hill.....parish records in latin to blame..
So he must of been convicted in Salop in March as I can see that date.
If we can find his marriage cert in Aus, it will help or even a death cert..
Tazzie
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Transported for House Breaking. Gaol Report "not known before buss"?
Hulk Report "corrected with the cane for destroying his cap" stated this offence?
-treacking? punished with a cane at the hulk. F.M. Archer a Locksmith at
Stafford, N.P. Plymouth, single P.
Feby. 5 1830. PB/ Conveying Spirits into the PB. yesty contrary to orders - 25 lashes on the breech (P.S.)
Sept 21 1848 SL/ Be[ing] in a disy house and rept? himself to be free 14 days hard labour in a House of Correction 1APM/
May 31 1841 S.L/ Misconduct in being on Mr Carters premises 2 mos ha Labor SL susp to reside in the interi[or/m] New Norfolk Bridge Party then to reside in Westbury District Vide LG Decis/4/6/41 S.L. restored. Vide memo of?
30 july 1841.
Conditional Pardon appd March 1845 - Extend[ed/ing] 30/9/45
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oops! deleted
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wow thankyou, so do you think he was a locksmiths son?? or was that who he broke in to, on one of the records i have it has him as errand boy, maybe he was an errand boy for a locksmith and used his knowledge to break into a house??? interesting... so how would i get hold of the marriage cert from aus??? cos that would no doubt hold more info, thanks again for reading the text i couldnt read half of it well done, ps do you think it states that his native place was plymouth? there is plymouth stafford and salop now mmmm where was he born??? i will keep looking.
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Hey I told you Prue was good at this...Well Done.. a much better job than me.....my printer is up the creek so have been flitting between the images.
What we need now is for someone to find a record of the marriage and find the details to order the cert. It could prove that the FM Archer is his father and he was a locksmith. Once we have a full name we would have more to work on.
Try a post requesting help with the marriage and show a link to this thread it will save look ups being done twice.
Again well done Prue :)
Tazzie
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hi tazzie thanks, where would i put the request for info on the marriage??
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Hi ...
Go to the emigrants board....look down for the Australia section and post..
" Marriage look up help please"
Give the dates/ names /church and any info known.
I dont know Australia areas at all I am afraid but as with here in UK someone may have access to Launceston records.
lets keep our fingers crossed
Tazzie
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have just found an abraham archer who was a cabinet lock manufacturer in stafford rd??? found it on historical directories website what do you think???
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here is a pic of the document, do you think im mad or could it maybe be williams dad???
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aaagghhh i have also found on the igi a william archer christened 25 aug 1811 in walsall, stafford???? could this be him, i know on some records it says born 1812 but it could be him couldnt it, the only thing is it doesnt give a fathers name just his mothers maria??.. am i going up the wrong path what do you think??
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I found the marriage on the Tas Archives site - that's what I deleted in my post above, because I thought you already had it (the lady's name and the date are correct from what you've quoted already). Actually, what I found was a "permission to marry" application - as your man was a convict (the lady he married was free) he had to apply to the authorities for permission to get married.
Go here:
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5
and put in your fellow's name, and you'll get the reference you need. You can then apply to the Archives for a copy of the application.
Prue
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hopefully, this link will take you to William and Marian's record in the Tas Colonial Family Links database, showing their children, DOB, DOD etc.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=7447
Prue
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hi prue, i have most of the records you mention.. i have an application for marriage, a record of the marriage, a description of william archer ie height etc, i got them from that site you gave me a while ago, but none of the docs have any birth details on them, what do you think of this abraham archer, do you think it could be abm instead of fm on that doc you read for me??? let me know if you think im chasing the wrong goose lol!!!
thanks for all your help so far its been great from everyone.
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Definitely not Abm - It's F.W....it also says that F.W. Archer is single (I'm pretty sure that's what the 'single' at the end of that entry means, although I'm not sure about the 'P' following it - I've only ever seen 'singlewoman' and 'singleman' before). I'm not 100% familiar with Tas convict records, but it looks like the entry below your William Archer (for William Atten) follows the same basic pattern and ends with the same word: 'single' and then 'P'. It would be pretty unlikely, if this was referring to the father, that both mens' fathers would be single!
It's my (limited) experience that parentage and even hometown is rarely mentioned in convict records. My two convicts had slightly less common names than your William Archer, and I was able to find their home counties on their paperwork, so have been able to track them down.
Have you got a copy of his Conditional Pardon?
Prue
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Hi Babajack...Hi Prue...
I have found William mentioned on a site and someone who has an interest..
go to..
www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/con_a.htm
If you click on her name maybe send her an e-mail? Worth a try..
Tazzie
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Nice find, Tazzie! :D
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hi tazzie and prue thanks for the find tazzie, i am afraid to say though that its me!! my name is yvonne bowey, i put that on there when i first started on william archer, sorry should have said, thanks so much for looking though, bless you. xx
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Oh I so had my fingers crossed for that to be a lead :'(
Never mind
Tazzie