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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Aberdeenshire => Scotland => Aberdeenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: KateW on Thursday 12 July 07 11:06 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Does anyone know anything about Pittendrieghs from Aberdeen in mid 1800s?
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Hello
there are quite a few variations of the name in the 1881 Scottish census born Aberdeen any specific name you were after?
1861 RG9/123 folio 66 page 31 St Pancras Holy Trinity Middlesex
Grafton Terrace
Thomas Pittendreigh age 32 Managing Law Clerk Clerkenwell
Sarah wife age 27 Adair Scotland
John son age 5 Ireland
Ida dau age 3 St Pancras
Lizzie dau age 1 Hackney
Jane Trowbridge age 13 servant St Pancras
1861 St Pancras Middlesex RG9/102 folio 140 page 42
187 Euston Road
Alfred R Pittendreigh age 29 Clerkenwell Solicitors Managing Clerk
Emily M C Pittendreigh age 24 transcribed 28 born Wales
Mary Bowen servant
Alfred Robert Pittendreigh 1859 dec quarter 1b 44 Emily Marie Charlotte McIntosh Pancras London/Middlesex
Thomas Samuel Pittendreigh 1850 Sarah Le Bert or Lebert Clerkenwell Middlesex sept quarter 3 115
Pam
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1871 RG10/719 folio 114 page 31 Streatham Surrey
17 Rector Houses
Alexander Pettendrigh age 55 Tailors Malster Aberdeen Scotland
Christian wife age 54 Aberdeen Scotland
Alexander age 26 unmarried son Indian Rubber Maker Aberdeen Scotland
Arthur son age 14 Aberdeen Scotland
Mary dau age 12 Streatham
Sportsman Pettendrigh son age 10 love the name Streatham
1871 RG10/5015 folio 39 page 1 Sunderland Durham
Lots of Lodgers with the Binks family
James Pittendright age 36 Boarder born Aberdeen Scotland
Pam
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Hello Pam,
Thanks for your replies.
Ann Pittendreigh married Donald Ross Whyte in Old Machar in 1840 and we know what happened to them after that time. I understand she was born in about 1816 in Aberdour (not sure where that is) but we know nothing of her family.
Kate.
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There are a few Pittendreighs from Old Macho 1881
Scottish census would you like them?
Must be transcribed differently earlier censuses.
Pam
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Yes please - although it is earlier generations I would like to find out about. I'm quite interested in the Pittendreighs in Streatham though as it's very near Croydon where the Whytes ended up living. I wonder if some of Ann's family moved South with her?
Kate.
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Hello
I have just lost all the all 1851 census I was going to post
Have the Alexander and Christian from the 1871 census will find them again.
Pam
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These are all the 1851 census
These are from the 1871 census Surrey
Parish Number 168A ED 4 page 60
Aberdeen St Clements Aberdeenshire
10 1/2 Sugar House Lane
All born Aberdeen
Pettendrich
Alexander age 36 Tailor Journeyman the 1871 census must have been Tailor Master not Malster
Christian Herd wife age 30
Alexander son age 8
Elizabeth dau age 7
William son age 5
James son age 3
George son age 1
Parish number 221 ED 1 page 7
Methlink Aberdeenshire
Address Cairns
Pettendrigh
John head age 58 farmer of 50 acres 1 man Methlink
Charlotte wife age 33 Fyvie Aberdeenshire
Charlotte dau age 13 children born Methlink
Elizabeth dau age 12
Mary dau age 10
John son age 8
Margret dau age 6
Jane dau age 4
William son age 1
Duncan McPherson visitor age 35
James Ironside servant
Parish Number 168a ED 6A page 8
Aberdeen West Aberdeenshire
St Andrews Street
Elizabeth Pettendrigh age 19 born Stonehaven Seaman
wife
Elizabeth daughter age 4 months Aberdeen
Parish Number 249 ED1 page 5
Udny Aberdeenshire
Address Mophead
Pettendrigh
Hellen farmers widow age 66
Aley? son age 33 farmer 50 acres 3 lab Udny
Margt dau age 27 Udny
Helen grandaughter age 10 months Peterhead Aberdeenshire
Helen Peter age 5 grandaughter Udny
3 servants
Parish Number 168B ED 16 page 65
Old Machar Aberdeenshire
James Reid head age 73 born Abe Aberdeenshire Mersery Maw?? empl 1 man 3 boys
Pettendrigh grandchildren born Abe
James age 15
Ann age 13
Alexander age 12
George age 11
William age 10
Magaret age 7
Wilhelmina age 6
Thomas age 2
3 servants
Parish Number 249 ED 5 page 10
Udny Aberdeenshire
West Craig
John Pettendrigh age 61 Udny 40 acres 2 lab
Ann wife age 60 Udny
Ann Milne dau age 30 Udny
Willm Milne son in law age 29 born Foveran Carpenter
Master employing 5 men
Elizabeth Annand servant
Parish Number 685/1 ED 1 page 5
Edinbugh Iron Church Midlothian
No 3 House South Grays Close 56 High Street
Alexr G Pettendrigh age 42 Lodger Writers Clerk Aberdeen Aberdeenshire
Parish Number 194 ED 4 page 2
Forgue Aberdeenshire
Address Frendraught
William Pettendrich age 66 Mongwhitter Aberdeenshire
Jus Peace Farmer 100 acres employing 3 lab
James Shaud visitor age 4 Forgue
5 servants
Parish Number 249 ED 5 page 10 Udny Aberdeenshire
West Craig
Elizabeth Pettendigh Pauper 72 Parish Relief Udny
Parish Number 168B ED 20 Page 17
Old Machar Aberdeenshire
28 Summer Road
Peter Davidson age 30 Seaman Aberdeenshire
Helen wife age 37 Aberdeenshire
Margt Pettendreigh sister in law age seamans wife Aberdeenshire
Parish Number 226 ED 1 page 55
Newmills Aberdeenshire
Waterton Square
Pettendreigh
James age 41 ahordant? paper cuter machine all born Newmills
Jane wife age 37
James son age 13 scholar
Helen dau age 11 at paper cutting machine
Mary A dau age 4
Parish Number 236 ED 5 page -
Rayne Aberdeenshire
Address Bonnyton
Pittendreigh
James age 48 Blacksmith(farmer 5 acres) Methlick
Margaret dau age 16 Rayne
Jean dau age 14 Rayne
Mary dau age 11 Rayne
Alex Baine servant
Mary Moren servant
Pam
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Thanks Pam,
That is a lot to take in! I have printed it off to have a good look. Will let you know if anyone looks possible.
Thanks again,
Kate :)
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Abedour is in Fife Abelour is in Aberdeenshire
1861 Registration number 168B ED14 page 31
Old Machar Aberdeenshire
Maywell Street
Donald White age 50 Cow per born Durness Sutherland
Ann wife age 48 Aberdeen
Jane daughter age 14 Helmsdale Sutherland would this be the 4 year old female listed as John servant on the 51 census?
Margt dau age 6 Tarbet Ross
1861
Registration Number 168b ED2 page 11
Old machar Aberdeenshire
Address Profr Manse
Majory White age 18 nurse maid born helmsdale Sutherlandshire withe the Fuller or Faller family
1861
Registration Number 168B ED 1 page 22
Old Machar
Old Aberdeen
Address 16 Chanonry
Ann White age 16 born Helmsdale SutherS domestic servant with the Smith family Minister of Old Machar (1st Charge)
1861 Registration Number 168B ED 14 page 31
Maywell Street
John White age 20 Head born Helmsdale Sutherland iron Worker Jas M Morrison Engineer King Edward Aberdeen age 25 lodger
1851
Parish Number 168 A ED 2 page 50
Aberdeen St Clements Aberdeenshire
Address St Clements Street
Whyte
Donald age 40 born Sutherlandshire occupation Solman? Baler
Ann wife age 38 Aberdeen
Children are named White but the parents are Ann and Donald
John son age 10 Sutherlandshire
Marjory dau age 8 Sutherlandshire
Ann dau age 6 Sutherlandshire
John White female servant age 4 ??
John White age 31 visitor Salman fisher Southerlandshire
1841
Loth Sutherland
Helmsdale Shore Street
Parish Number 54 ED
Donald Whyte age 30 born Scotland M S
Ann Whyte wife age 25
John Whyte son age 2 months
Alexr Mustard M S
William Patent M S
Davis Reed M S
George Reed M S
1841
Parish Number 168B
Old Machar
Aberdeenshire
Address Jacks Brae
Andrew Pittendrigh age 55 Blacksmith
Helen wife age 55 Aberdeenshire
Margaret Taylor age 50 Aberdeenshire
James Ross age 15 Cotton P L W
1841
Old Machar Aberdeenshire
Parish Number 168B
Address Skin Street
James Pittendrigh age 50 Carpenter J all born Aberdeenshire
Christian wife age 50
William son age 20 Carpenter J
these are also listed with them
Aberdeen Robert age 20 cabinet maker J
Sophia wife age 20
Anderson Mary age 30 dressmaker
george son age 8 months
Ann Cummine age 60
Margaret McCombie age 10
John Mitchell age 20 Joiner J
Westland
Jean female age 75 ind
Margaret age 80 ind
Jean age 40 female
Alexander age 15 Joiner appr
1841
Parish Number 248
Tyrie
Aberdeenshire
Address New Pitsligo Low Street
Pittendreich
John age 32 lab all born Aberdeenshire
Isabel wife age 30
George son age 8
Jean dau age 6
Charles son age 4
Margaret dau age 1
1861
Registration Number 221 ED 1 page 17
Methlick Abedeenshire
Address Cairns
Pittendreigh
John age 68 farmer of 45 acres employing 1 man 1 woman born Methlick
Charlotte wife age 45 Fyvie Aberdeenshire
Mary dau age 20 children born Methlick
John son age 18
Margaret dau age 16
Jessie dau age 15
William son age 11
James son age 9
Alexander son age 7
David son age 4
1861
Registration number 226 ED 2 page 13
Newhills Aberdeenshire
Address Stoneywood Works
Pittendreigh
James age 50 born Aberdeen Overseer paper cutter machines
Jane wife age 46 Newhills
Hellen dau age 20 paper roller Newhills
Jane dau age 18 Newhills Card packer paper Manuf
Mary Ann dau age 12 Newhills
1861
Registration Number 168A ED 3 Page 10
St Nicholas Aberdeen
Address 71 no street name
Pittendreigh
Janet head age 59 born Aberdeen winder of yarn
John age 40 Brother occupation Dyer Aberdeen
James age 11 nephew Aberdeen
Madaleine Ross age 27 dau occupation Heckler born Aberdeen
Helen Chadwick Niece occupation Heckler age 17
George Sangster boarder
Ann Murray visitor age 36 shoemakers wife Aberdeen
1861
Registration Number 210 ED 6 Page 4
King Edward Aberdeen
Address Tilly Ho
George Pittendreigh ploughman age 28 Aberdeen
with Charles Watt farmer of 204 acres employing 6 labs Veterinary surgeon family plus other workers
Pam
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Abedour is in Fife Abelour is in Aberdeenshire
Hi Kate and Pam,
Can't help with the Pittendreighs I'm afraid but just wanted to let you know about Aberdour...the Parish of Aberdour in Aberdeenshire is defined here http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdour/description.html
Elaine :)
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Thanks Elaine,
I have had a look at the website. Now I will look at the map!It is Aber as in mouth of a river. The Welsh for mouth of the river is also Aber. My granny was Welsh hence the interest.
What a lovely photo of your Granny, by the way!
Kate.
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Hello Elaine
Had a look at Aberdour very interesting the Pittendreighs all all the varients seem to live around Pitsligo,Tyrie King Edward area.
Pam
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Kate,
It appears that your interest is in trying to find out more about Ann PITTENDREIGH.
Ann Pittendreigh married Donald Ross Whyte in Old Machar in 1840 and we know what happened to them after that time. I understand she was born in about 1816 in Aberdour (not sure where that is) but we know nothing of her family.
In the interests of avoiding duplication of effort, I mention that this family is also being discussed on the Sutherland board at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,243958
From the IGI on the FamilySearch site at:
http://www.familysearch.org
one finds two records of the marriage (or proclamation of banns).
Ann PITTENDREIGH & Donald WHYTE, 13 Jan 1840, Old Machar, Aberdeen
Ann PITTENDRICH & Donald WHYTE, 13 Jan 1840, St Nicholas, Aberdeen
Have you looked at these marriage/banns OPR records on the (pay per view) site ScotlandsPeople at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.co.uk
They may well not provide any further clues but, if you haven't yet viewed them, you won't know unless and until you look at them.
Kate, 100% of the 1841 census for Aberdeenshire has been transcribed for FreeCEN at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
And over 75% of the 1851 has also been transcribed.
You may wish to search there yourself.
A search on that site for PITTEN* in 1841 brings up 119 results (spellings include PITTENDRICH, PITTENDRIGH, PITTENDRIECH, PITTENDREICH, PITTENDREIGH). There are also 4 PETTENDRIGH and 1 PETTENDRIECH. And a few other variations - PITENDRICH 6, PITENDREACH 1, PITENDRIGH 1 ...
There are also quite a few people of the name (however spelled) in 1851 - but very few with birthplace Aberdour.
Yes, there are parishes named Aberdour in both Aberdeen-shire
http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdour/index.html
and in Fife
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/parishes/Aberdour/index.htm
(I know this to my embarrassment as I once ordered in to my local LDS FHC the parish register for Aberdour ABD instead of Aberdour FIF!).
Regards,
JAP
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I know you are looking for Ann before 1841 just trying to link the families to see which is hers do you have the marriage certificate to see the fathers name?? you seemed interested in The Streatham Pittendreighs
1881 Streatham London reg district Wansworth
2 Leigham Lane
Alexander Pittendreigh age 39 born Aberdeenshire Scotland Indian Rubber worker.
Sarah Pittendreigh age 50 wife Polemarsh Essex Coffee House Keeper
Alexandra Pittendreigh age 7 son Streatham
William Pittendreigh age 6 son Streatham
Marie Letitia Jasper age 20 step daughter Helper (em servant) Streatham Surrey
Eliza Sarah stepdaughter age 16 Streatham Surrey Helper(em Servant)
Florence Gillett age 7 visitor Dulwich Surrey
Here is the son of Alexander and Sarah born Streatham
1901 Croydon Surrey RG13/6432 folio 18 page 21
Thornton Road
Selina Underwood age 60 head widow Spilsbury Oxfordshire
Alexander Pittendrigh son in law age 27 Stratham Cycle
Mary A dau age 26 northleigh Witney
Grace B grandaughter age 8 Streatham Surrey
Hilda grandaughter age 7 monthsCroydon
1881 Streatham Surrey
17 Wells Lane
Christian Pittendreigh age 61 widow born Aberdeenshire Scotland no occupation
William son age 35 born Scotland lab
May dau age 21 Streatham Surrey no occupation Mary from 1871?
There is a George fits in with 1851
1881 Croydon Surrey
Oval Road 2 Oval Place
Geo. Pittendrigh age 32 born Scotland Gardener
Elizabeth wife age 38 Farnham
Lilly dau age 6 Ballham Surrey
Geo. son age 3 Ballham Surrey
1881 The adults are all from Aberdeenshire
Toxteth Park Lancashire
124 Hill Street
Watson
Alexandra age 36 Engineer Aberdeenshire
Ellen wife age 40 Aberdeenshire
Jane dau age 20 Aberdeenshire
Alexander son age 17 Aberdeenshire Engine fitter
William son age 9 Aberdeenshire
Mary E Watson age 6 dau Liverpool
James P son age 3 Liverpool
Jane Pittendrigh grandmother age 80 born Aberdeenshire widow
Jemima Watson age 32 married sister in law born Aberdeenshire
Mary E Watson age 4 niece Liverpool
Robert T Watson nephew age 2 London Middlesex
Edward H Guy Boarder ship Steward
1881 Straton Durham
19 Wm Street
John Brown age 27 Aberdeenshire gen lab
Ann Brown age 67 widow born Aberdeenshire mother
John Pittendrill age 30 married Aberdeenshire gen lab
1891 Streatham Surrey RG12/ 457 folio 144 page 78
maybe Alexander and Christians son?
James White head age 48 Gen lab these are all born SomersetHarriet age 46
Bertha dau age 26 dressmaker
William son age 17 gen lab
Jane dau age 13
Emily dau age 11
Arthur Pettendrigh age 31 Scotland lodger gen lab'
1891 RG12/458 folio 87 page 85 Streatham London reg district Wandsworth
184 Sunny Head?? Road
Christena Pettendry mother age 74 widow born Scotland
May Walker daughter age 28 married Streatham
The enumerator has linked them with the Hill family different numbered house
May Pittendrigh or Pittendrige married George Philip Walker 1889 June quarter Wandsworth 1 d 1025 Greater London/London/Surrey
1901 RG13/477 folio 11 page 14 Streatham London
Christiana Pittendrigh age 81 Aberdeen Scotland widow
Willian son age 50 Painter Aberdeen Scotland single
Pam
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Hi again Kate,
Continuing on with thoughts from my earlier post.
You seem to have, in a sense, the worst of both worlds ;) The marriage of Donald & Ann being in 1840 in Scotland, the only record would be in church registers - as statutory registration did not start in Scotland (unlike England & Wales) until 1855. And the death of Ann was presumably in England (you say they moved south) so the death cert won't have the wonderful information (names of parents) which is on Scottish certificates :(
If I were you (and if you haven't already done so), I would certainly go to the ScotlandsPeople site and look at the two OPR records for the marriage/banns.
However - I am wondering why you say that you understand that Ann was born ca 1816 in Aberdour?
From the census information posted by kind RootsChatters, it would seem that Ann was born ca 1813 in Aberdeen ...
There is a possibility in the IGI on FamilySearch. It is under PITTENDREACH - which, unfortunately, is not combined in the IGI with PITTENDRIGH & variants.
It is the following (name of mother not given unfortunately!):
Anne PITTENDREACH, bap 17 April 1814, father James, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire.
St Nicholas is in the Parish of Aberdeen, and is where one of the marriage entries is.
So it might also be worth looking at this OPR birth/baptism record to see if there are any clues linking it to the marriage/banns records.
Regards,
JAP
PS: A description of the parish of Aberdeen is on GENUKI at:
http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Aberdeen/description.html
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JAP,
Thanks for your reply and interest. I have a copy of the marriage entries for Old Machar where it states:
[/i]Donald Whyte, Cooper, Virginia Street in the Parish of St. Nicholas and Ann Pittendreigh, Westfield in this parish, signified their purpose of marriage, by Mr Alexr. McKenzie ***
& being thrice proclaimed, they were married on the 13th Jan 1840 by the Revd. Archibald (?) Cook Minister of North Church Inverness.
Thanks for the pointer to Freecen pages, I will have a search.
Kate.
Have just received your new message.
Firstly - I seem to have written confusing info! Donald and Ann did not as far as we know move south, their son John moved to Croydon where he married in 1866. His neighbour in the 1881 census was George Pittendreigh (just been sent that by down-under along with lots more- brilliant!)
Secondly - not sure why I put 1816 Aberdour - had it as a query along with 1813 Aberdeen - should have checked it out!
To be honest, I only knew about this Scottish connection about a week ago & have been so flooded by information from kind, generous peoplethat I need to have a good sort out to underatand it all!!
Thanks again, Kate.
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Hi again Kate,
Well, if you can find the death of Ann (PITTENDRIGH) WHYTE in Scotland, you might well get the name and occupation of her father and the name and maiden surname of her mother.
Well worth a search on ScotlandsPeople!
JAP
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Hi yet again Kate,
A free search on SP for the death of an Ann WHYTE, other name PITTENDR* gets just 1 match.
Refining the parameters within the free search gives:
WHYTE Ann
Other name: PITTENDRICH
Death year: 1877
Age: 65
JAP
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Hi Pam,
No marriage certificate, just copy of entry in Old Machar marriage register, so no father's name.
Thankyou for looking up the census details for Pittendreighs (and alternate spellings!) It was worth the search - 1881 census shows George Pittendreigh aged 32 living at 2 Oval Place, Oval Terrace, Croydon. I have John Ross Whyte (son of Donald Whyte and Ann Pittendreigh living at 5 Oval Place, Oval Terrace, Croydon. Can I assume this is a cousin? Is he son of Christian/a and brother of William, Arthur and Alexander? Was Christian/a married to Ann's brother? Now how confused am I? The family connection is undoubtable, I just have to work out who is who!!
Thanks again for your support, time and interest.
Kate
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JAP,
Thanks for the SP look up and details of Ann's death. I will record it NOW so it doesn't go into the pile of info & get lost!
Kate.
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Pam,
All your census results are brilliant but can you tell me how I can print them off without using too many trees? Is there a simple way on this site or should I cut & paste & save them?
On close inspection, I have found in one you sent me yesterday afternoon, a Margaret P living with her brother in law Peter Davidson and sister Helen at 28 Sumner Road.
There was a family called Millen living at 49 & 50 Sumner Road, Croydon and their daughter Olive married Sydney Ross Whyte, grandson of Donald and Ann Pittendreigh, which
acts as further conformation, so thanks once again.
Kate.
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Hi Kate,
You can register on ScotlandsPeople for free.
The minimum purchase of credits is 30 credits for 6 pounds - pretty reasonable, eh!
Once you've done that you can download the death cert of Ann immediately - it will cost you 1 credit to download the search result (this has to be done first even though you know the answer) and 5 credits to download the actual image of the certificate.
So, in a matter of minutes, you might know the names of Ann's parents!
That, I think, would be well worth doing.
But if you wish to keep on searching, it will be worth your while to read the thread on Optimise ScotlandsPeople Searches (it's all too easy to get carried away and spend and spend ... !) at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
Have fun,
JAP
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Thanks JAP,
I have just registered with Scotlandspeople but had not discovered how much it cost for downloads. 30 credits for £6 sounds good.
Can you tell me why I seem to have 2 different pages for my Pittendriegh queries? Seem to have posted twice at different places. What did I do wrong?
Anyway, whatever I did the response has been really good, thanks to you kind people I now have a lot of info to work on and I will try to get Ann's marriage certificate.
Kate.
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Hi Kate,
You didn't do anything wrong at all.
You posted on the Sutherland-shire board (where Donald came from and Ann went after the marriage) and on the Aberdeen-shire board (where they were married and where Ann was born).
But the information on the two threads has overlapped which is why there have been cross-references.
Looking forward to hearing whether Ann's parents are listed on her death cert.
Helpful RootsChatters are so keen that it's easy to end up suffering from severe information overload. ;D
JAP
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Hi Jap,
I have just found that I have Donald Whyte's death certificate (sent by a cousin) and he died in 1877 on January 8th at Old Machar aged 66 from Tetanus (that's what it looks like!) , so it looks as if Ann must have died soon after.
I see that death certificates had more detail than marriage certs.
Kate.
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I see that death certificates had more detail than marriage certs.
Kate.
No, Scottish marriage certificates would also have the name and occupation of the father, and the name and maiden surname of the mother, of each of the bride and groom.
But Donald & Ann were married before the start of Statutory Registration in Scotland (1855) so you would not get a marriage certificate - just an entry in a church register.
That is why, for people who were born and married before the start of Statutory Registration, it is great is they survived into the time of Stat Reg and so you can get an actual death certificate with all the info which is on such a certificate.
Looking forward to hearing what is on Ann's death cert re her parents.
JAP
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OK, I see. Scottish marriage certs have much more info than English!
From what you say, the church register entry for Donald and Ann is all we will find.
I must check with a cousin who is also searching as she was trying to locate some certs and may have got Ann's death cert.
KateW
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The ScotlandsPeople site tells you in detail what is in Statutory Register certificates.
You will find this at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&628
The Scottish Stat Reg certificates are very informative overall - and yes, far better than English certificates. And much easier to access. And cheaper!
You will see, if you look at the above site, that certificates in the first year of Statutory Registration were particularly informative i.e. 1855 - they were very ambitious at the start but found it too hard so scaled down the information the following year ...
Even so, Scottish certificates are really good. Like certificates from Victoria, Australia (my birthplace and where my ancestors lived when they came to Australia) ;D
Let's hope you and your cousin can combine your information to great effect :D
And do let us know who Ann's parents were ...
JAP
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Hi,
Just a big thank you to JAP and Pam for all your work looking up and sending me information in the last few days- really appreciated! ;D
I am ploughing through all those sheets and will let you know when it all makes sense. :)
KateW.
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Jap,
I've been on Scotlandspeople and paid the £6 for 30 credits. I did a search for Ann Pittendreach Birth and death and seem to be unable to view the results - very frustrating!! There was a blank page with a torch symbol in the top left corner. Does this mean my computer doesn't have the correct programme to open it? Do you know what I need to have to be able to view the results?
KateW.
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Hi KateW,
Not sure what the problem is but ...
Log in and click on 'My details' near the top of the page.
Scroll down to Application Options, Image Viewer.
There are 3 options:
Direct Download
ActiveXControl
Java Applet
Select 'Direct Download' - if that's not what you have currently chosen! - and click on 'Update Details' then try again.
Or, if you already have Direct Download selected, try each of the other options just in case ;)
JAP
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PS: You can always look at the 'Help and Other Resources' section of SP ...
That has a section called Technical Information.
Within it is a section on Viewing Images.
If you are still having problems, you might well find the answer there.
If not, submit a Contact Form to SP.
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Thanks, I'll try that.
Kate.
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Hello JAP,
I'm pleased to be able to tell you a little more about Ann Pittendrich Whyte!!
Our cousin has managed to get a copy of the Death record for Ann Whyte (other name Pittendrich) which she is sending me to decipher with a magnifying glass, but what she could tell me was this:
She died on July 26th 1877.
Her parents were Alexander Pittendrich, Undertaker and Mary. Cause of death "Injuries from fall of 40 feet. Immediate"
Informant was daughter Marjory Whyte.
The Health and Safety Executive would be working overtime with Donald dying from Tetanus and Ann dying from a fall, within 6 months!!!
Now that we know Ann's father was Alexander, it means that the details for her birth/baptism in 1814 with father James is not the correct one - any ideas? I have searched but can not find another Ann at that time.
Thanks for your help with all of this,
Kate.
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Hi Kate,
That's great! Though unfortunate that her mother's maiden surname isn't there - I take it that's the case?
The only possible relevant IGI entries I could find are:
An Alexander P marrying a Mary anywhere in Scotland, 1800 +/- 20; there was just one entry
Alexander PITTENDRIGH m Mary LOVIE, 26 Jun 1814, Pitsligo (that's a bit late if Ann's age is correct on her death cert)
An Alexander P and a Mary having children anywhere in Scotland, same time period; again there was just one entry
Alexander PITTENDRIGH and Mary MILNE had a daughter Margaret bap 1808, St Nicholas, Aberdeen.
Perhaps there might be more on SP?
I am wondering whether there might be directories for the time which would include, Alexander PITTENDRIGH, Undertaker.
There's a gravestone which looks interesting (the combination of names!) on the ANESFHS site at:
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index
St Clements churchyard, Aberdeen
Ann PITTENDRIGH
Donald WHYTE
A HARROW
May MILNE 16 Feb 1834
Alexander PITTENDRIGH 19 Jul 1842
James PITTENDRIGH 26 Mar 1847
Margaret PITTENDRIGH 14 Nov 1862
Alexander PITTENDRIGH 11 Jul 1863
You might like to post a request for a lookup of the full inscription in the relevant MI booklet?
Regards,
JAP
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JAP, I checked last night on SP and there were no more entries showing for children to an Alexander P*tt*n* and Mary than you have found on IGI.
The following entries show in Aberdeen City with only father's name included on the entry and unfortunately every entry shows as a NO IMAGE on line:
1 20/12/1800 PITTENDREICH ----- ALEXANDER PITTENDREICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
2 14/01/1803 PITTENDREIGH ALEXANDER ALEXANDER PITTENDREIGH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN No Image
3 14/01/1803 PITTENDREIGH JOHN ALEXANDER PITTENDREIGH
Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
4 06/04/1808 PITTENDRICH MARGARET ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
5 01/04/1810 PITTENDRICH JEAN ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
6 01/11/1812 PITTENDREACH BARBARA ALEXANDER PITTENDREACH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0110 No Image
7 20/03/1816 PITTENDRICH ALEXANDER ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0110 No Image
There is one more Alexander P. showing as having children in the same period and he is in Kinnethmont. He is the only older Alexader showing on the 1841, still at Kinnethmont (and I think also the 1851 Census). He is also described as a squarewright (maker of furniture) and carpenter both occupations that would fit with an undertaker. However, he looks to be married to an Isobel.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
You are, as always, so very helpful!
Those searches you've done certainly don't give much hope. Incidentally, it's interesting that you didn't come up with the 1808 Margaret with mention of mother Mary MILNE. That Margaret in the IGI was bap 2 Apr 1808 at St Nicholas, Aberdeen, ABD; there were lots of other PITTENDRIGHs (and variants) in that batch (C111687) but none with those parents and only one other with pa Alexander but mother was Janet MASON.
I've now looked further and do find three of the ones you mention from SP ( :-[ ):
Margaret PITTENDRICH, bap 6 Apr 1808 (hmmmm!), St Nicholas, Pa Alexander (C119953)
Jean PITTENDRICH, bap 1 Apr 1810, St Nicholas, Pa Alexander (C119953)
Barbara PITTENDREACH, bap 1 Nov 1812, St Nicholas, Pa Alexander (C119953)
But not Alexander 1816 - perhaps I haven't tried hard enough.
I had gone right through batch C111687 but hadn't looked for other batches in Aberdeen ...
Now I've tried C119953 and come up with nothing else.
As you've already done the searches, you might try P*t*nd* just in case it turns up anything else - given the variants I found earlier.
After finding the gravestone, I tried for a death for a Margaret (turned out to be PITTENDRIGH) in 1862 - refining the parameters on a free search (I'm too mean to spend my credits! - well, most of the time!) it turned out she was aged 52; trying other or mother's ms MILN* got nothing. If PITTENDRIGH is her birth surname I guess this just might be (one of) the 1808 Margaret(s). I also had a quick look for an Alexander in 1863 - there were 2 so I didn't explore further.
I would love to see the full MI for that gravestone I mentioned (isn't it funny how caught up one can become in other people's ancestors!).
I also went back and had a bit of a search in the 1841 FreeCEN (where ABD is complete). Hard to know ... I recall noticing an Alexander P, Wood Sawyer, and thinking that the occupation could match that of Undertaker (as you say).
I'm pinning my hopes on the MI!
JAP
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No more birth or christening entries coming up with single t (searching as you suggested P*T*ND*) than we have already.
Monica
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Just a quick reply to JAP and Monica as I'm just off to work!
Your interest in my quest is wonderful and thank you both for the information about the Pitt's!! I will have a really close look later. That gravestone inscription looks promising!!!
KateW
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JAP,
What is an MI booklet?
The gravestone inscription has too many names that match to not be the right family - with Donald Whyte and Ann Pittendriegh (husband and wife) on together and Alexander P and Mary Milne. Well done! ;D
Latest update is that on Ann's death record, her mother's name looks like May or Mary MILNE!!!
With many thanks
Kate.
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Hi again Kate,
If you go to the website I gave in the post where I mentioned the gravestone:
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/
you will soon find out!
MI = Monumental/Memorial Inscriptions
As that site says:
"ANESFHS has published over 80 booklets of Memorial Inscriptions, containing MIs from more than 90 burial grounds in the Counties of Aberdeenshire, Banffshire, Kincardineshire and Moray, and holds about 100 sets of draft or unpublished MIs.
This Index covers all the published and around 30 of the unpublished MIs (a total of over over 120,000 indexed names) ... However, it does not contain the complete text of the Inscriptions - to see these, you must consult the published booklets, or (if you are a member of ANESFHS) request a lookup in the unpublished Kirkyards."
Elsewhere on the site, you can find the cost of the booklets - that for St Clement's Aberdeen appears to be 2 pounds 25p + postage.
Perhaps a helpful RootsChatter might have that booklet or have access to it ...
JAP
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Hello,
Thanks. Yes, I had just discovered that. I've been on the Aberdeen MI Index site for the last 1/2 hour or so, it's fascinating.
I am just going to see if a kind Rootschatter has the relevant booklet and could look up the information for me!! Otherwise I will have to send for the booklet.
Kate.
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Hi Kate,
No doubt you wouldn't mind buying the booklet but it would be great if you could get the answer more speedily!
Harking back to the names on the gravestone, if I were you I'd probably be following up on ScotlandsPeople :
The two names where the deaths occurred in the time of Statutory Registration:
*Margaret PITTENDRIGH in 1862
*Alexander PITTENDRIGH in 1863
And also:
*1861 and 1851 censuses (when both of the above were still alive).
As I mentioned earlier, a free search refining the parameters finds that Margaret PITTENDRIGH who died in 1862 was aged 52 - whether she's the one on the gravestone ...
I mentioned that there were two 1863 deaths for an Alexander PITTENDRIGH. I've just refined the parameters further and find that one was aged 24, and the other was aged 79 - the older Alexander was in the district of St Nicholas. So the older one might well be Ann's father Alexander!! But of course, he might not ...
I've also gone back to the 1841 census on FreeCEN at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk
and find what might well be that Alexander in St Clements, Aberdeen (note the spelling of the name). The age (in 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5) fits well with the older Alexander's death in 1863, and the occupation is not unlikely.
PETTENDRIGH Alexander, 55, Wright
Do Helen, 40
Do Margt., 30
Do Jas., 4
And two boys with surname BAIN - Wm. 15 and Geo. 13 - and a female servant.
All except Helen born in Aberdeenshire; Helen born elsewhere in Scotland.
So I was thinking that Alexander might well have re-married after the death of Mary/May MILNE in 1834.
A search in the IGI on the FamilySearch site finds the following possibility:
Alexander PITTENDRIGH/Helen DUNCAN, marriage, 19 May 1836, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, ABD (ABD, incidentally is the Chapman Code abbreviation for Aberdeenshire - you can Google for Chapman Codes)
And the following:
James PITTENDRIGH bap 19 Dec 1837, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, ABD, parents Alexander PITTENDRIGH & Helen DUNCAN.
I also wondered whether the BAIN boys were children of Helen's from a previous marriage. The following looks like a possibility:
William BAIN, bap 19 Apr 1826, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, ABD, parents Gilles BAIN & Helen DUNEN (sic)
Anyway, if the Alexander PITTENDRIGH who died in 1863 is the father of your Ann that would be great as, with his death certificate, you might well get back another generation.
Regards,
JAP
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JAP,
You have been busy! :) Thankyou, lots to look into further.
If you think the Alexander who died in 1863 could have been Ann's father, would he have been buried with his first wife and children?
Maybe the Alexander who died in 1842 was a baby, with a later baby being named Alexander (the Alexander who was died aged 24 in 1863).
I note the earlier graves have women's maiden names which is very helpful, although on later gravestones all names in one family seem to be the same
(wife's the same as husband's)
Hopefully if someone can look at the MI Index for me, I will know more detail about that gravestone!!
Here's hoping...
KateW
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A Helen PITTENDRIGH, other name DUNCAN, died in 1878, age 80.
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JAP,
You have been very busy on my behalf, for which I thank you.
I think it just shows how fascinating and compulsive finding out about the past is. (If you've been bitten by the bug, that is!!)
What time is it in Australia? I think you are probably working late!!!
KateW
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Kate,
Well, do tell us when you get some more information - it will be interesting to learn the whole story and/or to get confirmation of theories.
For world time see somewhere like:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
Currently, my time (Australian Central Standard Time) is 8 1/2 hours ahead of British Summer Time. So noon your time was 8:30pm my time.
JAP
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:) Another gold star JAP 8)
Alexander's death in 1863 is as you thought - married to Helen D, first married to May (sic) Milne. Parents William, a farmer and Margaret Allan. Ann Whyte, daughter reported the death, doesn't get clearer than that ;)
I'm off on holiday for a month...so feeling gong ho with my SP credits!
Monica
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Alexander and Helen in 1851:
Alexr Pittendrigh 67, wright, b. Abdn, Aberdeenshire
Helen Pittendrigh 52, b. Abdn, Aberdeenshire
Address: St Clements St, Aberdeen St Clements
And in 1861:
Alexr Pittendrigh 78, house carpenter, b. New Machar, Aberdeen
Helen Pittendrigh 64, b. Banchory Dev, Kincardine
Address: 8 St Clements St, Aberdeen St Clements
Possible OPR christening entry for Alexander, only father's name showing:
ALEXANDER PITTENDRIGH Christening: 28 SEP 1783 New Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland Parents: WILLM. PITTENDRIGH
Monica
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Monica,
That's marvellous!! As you say, doesn't get clearer than that. :D
The 1861 census details showing St Clements Street are interesting to me. I have Donald Whyte and Ann Pittendrigh, Alexander's daughter also living in St Clements Street, Aberdeen. This is in some details you sent previously.
There is also an Alexander Pittendrich aged 36, a Tailor in the 1871 census in St Clements.
Thanks for looking up the death record for Alexander which has shown the previous generation.
I appreciate you using your SP Credits for our lookups and hope you have a lovely holiday.
With best wishes,
KateW
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Hello All,
Fantastic information!
I guess this lookup thread could well have its original subject line amended by the addition of COMPLETED 8)
But Monica, you should have saved your money to spend on your yourself when you are on your holiday! My curiosity often tempts me to use my own hard-earned on SP lookups for others - but I try hard, and usually manage, to resist the temptation ::) Kate, you're obviously not yet addicted to this hobby or you wouldn't have been able to resist downloading various certificates ;D
Monica, have a really great holiday. But how will we cope without you :D
Regards,
JAP
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Having found several birth , marriage and death records from Scotlandspeople I am now interested in finding the answer to a puzzle!
The death record in Old Machar, Aberdeen dated 26th July 1877 reported that Ann Pittendrigh Whyte died at 8 hrs 45 min AM, aged 65 years from injuries from a fall from a height of 40ft - immediate. Reported by her daughter Marjory Whyte. Signed James Valentine, Registrar.
In the Register of Corrected Entries for Old Machar dated 7th August 1877 and signed by the Procurator Fiscal then signed again on 8th August 1877 by James Valentine, Registrar and again on 13th December 1878, ........it states,
"The following report of result of a precognition has been received for the death of Ann Pittendrigh or Whyte....
about 9am of 26th July 1877.....Cause of death - injuries by throwing herself or falling from an attic window to the ground, a distance of about 40feet. :( :o
Can anyone suggest why the Procurator Fiscal would be involved? Perhaps there would have been an inquest? Maybe they suspected foul play!!!
I wondered if Ann's death may have been reported in the Aberdeen press and if anyone could suggest where I might search for Archive press reports.
KateW
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Hi Kate,
The Procurator Fiscal would have been involved because it was a sudden death.
http://www.crownoffice.gov.uk/About
It's quite likely that Ann's death would have been reported in the paper. The Local Studies library in Aberdeen hold the newspapers on microfilm and the staff there can look it up for you. Or...if you don't mind waiting, I can do it but I'm on holiday at the moment and won't be into town for a while as I'm supposed to be decorating :)
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ACCI/web/site/Libraries/NS/Lib_LocalStudies.asp
Elaine
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Hi Kate,
The Crown Office site recommended by mitchell has a comprehensive description of the role of the Procurator Fiscal.
You may also wish to go to the 'RootsChat LEXICON of Genealogical Terms and Abbreviations' on RootsChat at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,234766.0.html
Scroll down to Procurator Fiscal and you will be referred to the entry on 'Deaths in Scotland 'which has references to RootsChat threads which discuss overlapping material on Fatal Accident Enquiries, the Procurator Fiscal, and the Register of Corrected Entries; there is also an entry in the 'Lexicon' re Precognition.
JAP
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Hi Elaine and JAP,
Thanks for your responses and suggestions.
I am away now until tomorrow evening but when I return will follow them up and let you know what I find!
Many thanks,
KateW
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Just to let you know that I contacted the Local studies Library with my request and was emailed by the Assistant Librarian at Aberdeen City Library. She says that they would have a record of any report at that time and has very kindly offered to search for me. They will post anything they find. So here's hoping....
I see Precognition means questioning of witnesses.
The Procurator Fiscal information is interesting and I see that the intervention of the Procurator Fiscal doesn't necessarily mean the death was suspicious.
KateW
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Hi Kate,
I'm glad that you've contacted the library, quicker than waiting for me...the staff are great there ;D and if there's anything to find then they will :)
Elaine
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This might be of general interest with regard to the 'family' (in its wider sense).
I've been hunting through past files as I knew somewhere I had it.
http://members.aol.com/sypitt1/
James
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Wow, thanks Kin-getter! :D
What a find!! Nice to see that Pittendri(e)ghs are still searching too. There are several email addresses to contact and apparently 12 main branches of the family - this should be fun and interesting.
KateW
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I have an Isobel Pittendrich born c1770 Aberdeenshire. Isobel married Robert Shand at Auchterless 1789
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Hello Pam,
Thanks for your replies.
Ann Pittendreigh married Donald Ross Whyte in Old Machar in 1840 and we know what happened to them after that time. I understand she was born in about 1816 in Aberdour (not sure where that is) but we know nothing of her family.
Kate.
Hi
The Parish of Aberdour is just up past Fraserburgh and before Banff on the coast of the Moray Firth in Scotlands North West. My daughters gt grandmother was Isobella Pittendreigh born *th Oct 1878 at a place called Cookney Kincadinshire which is south of Aberdeen, but her father Alexander came from Fraserburgh so I am wondering if there is a family link. I have made a note of this info and if I come across anything I will forward to you. Joyce Devlin.
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Jap,
I've been on Scotlandspeople and paid the £6 for 30 credits. I did a search for Ann Pittendreach Birth and death and seem to be unable to view the results - very frustrating!! There was a blank page with a torch symbol in the top left corner. Does this mean my computer doesn't have the correct programme to open it? Do you know what I need to have to be able to view the results?
KateW.
Scotlands People run on Java script. Hope this helps.
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JAP, I checked last night on SP and there were no more entries showing for children to an Alexander P*tt*n* and Mary than you have found on IGI.
The following entries show in Aberdeen City with only father's name included on the entry and unfortunately every entry shows as a NO IMAGE on line:
1 20/12/1800 PITTENDREICH ----- ALEXANDER PITTENDREICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
2 14/01/1803 PITTENDREIGH ALEXANDER ALEXANDER PITTENDREIGH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN No Image
3 14/01/1803 PITTENDREIGH JOHN ALEXANDER PITTENDREIGH
Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
4 06/04/1808 PITTENDRICH MARGARET ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
5 01/04/1810 PITTENDRICH JEAN ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image
6 01/11/1812 PITTENDREACH BARBARA ALEXANDER PITTENDREACH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0110 No Image
7 20/03/1816 PITTENDRICH ALEXANDER ALEXANDER PITTENDRICH Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0110 No Image
There is one more Alexander P. showing as having children in the same period and he is in Kinnethmont. He is the only older Alexader showing on the 1841, still at Kinnethmont (and I think also the 1851 Census). He is also described as a squarewright (maker of furniture) and carpenter both occupations that would fit with an undertaker. However, he looks to be married to an Isobel.
Regards.
Monica
Hi
My daughters gt grandmother is Isabella Pittendreigh the daughter of Alexander Pittendreig and Mary Milne Isabella married John Taylor 11th July 1902 cafe Royal Aberdeen and they had 7 children.
My email address is redrunrig@hotmail.co.uk. my name is Joyce.