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Title: William and Owen TOUT
Post by: yazzie on Monday 09 July 07 07:19 BST (UK)
Hi,
 Anybody out there with info on a William Tout Or a Owen Tout
           Yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: gennig on Monday 09 July 07 08:35 BST (UK)
Hi Yazzie

Can you give a bit more information, what year, State etc.?

Thanks


Genni
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 July 07 08:56 BST (UK)
Yazzie,
I think Jenn from the Australian board has tried to tell you this, but I will say it again.
If you would like help from other R chatters, you need to give all you know right at the beginning, not a bit later when they have already done searches.

Start at the beginning and think what you can say about ...parents, birth dates, places, others in the family, occupations,  when last heard of .  Anything at all

That way we have more chance of finding your people which will be fun for you and us too.
Sue
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Monday 09 July 07 09:19 BST (UK)
ok thanks for that I will get the knack of it soon here goes
 Owen Frederick Tout married Elizabeth Koellner now I think his parents are William Tout married to Rose Maco
Owen was born in1861 I am trying to trace this family back further
         Yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: PrueM on Monday 09 July 07 09:58 BST (UK)
Hi Yazzie  :)
Welcome to Rootschat, yes you will get the hang of it soon!  Everyone is very helpful here.

I have more questions for you - where was Owen born?  If Australia, in which state/colony?  If Britain, which country?

Cheers
Prue
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Monday 09 July 07 10:02 BST (UK)
Hi,
        owen was born in nsw he is buried in Glousester cemetery nsw
                    Yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: PrueM on Monday 09 July 07 10:12 BST (UK)
Thanks Yazzie, I've now found Owen on the NSW BDM index. 
Have you bought his parents' marriage certificate?  Not sure what information will be on it that early, but you might be lucky and get info about the parents' parents. 
The other place to get information about origins and parents etc. is from a death certificate.  There is one Rose TOUT on the indexes, died 1913 in Granville, and four William TOUTs.  All have parents' names shown, so if you buy the certificates it should give you information that you can use to carry on backwards  :)

Prue
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 09 July 07 11:09 BST (UK)
Hello there All

now Yazzie do you have Rose Maco details at all.  I have done an extensive search but cannot find anyone with this surname but did find something that might be it

6683/1862  MCKEOWN  ROSE father  PATRICK mother  SUSAN  CAMPBELLTOWN 

hope this might help!
regards Jenn
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Monday 09 July 07 11:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Prue,
                    I think I might do what you have suggested and buy the certificates thanks for your help
                                  Yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Robert Coble on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:09 BST (UK)
Thanks Prue,
 I think I might do what you have suggested and buy the certificates thanks for your help
 Yazzie

Yazzie,

Birth's:
 7592/1861      TOUT      OWEN     (f) WILLIAM     (m) ROSE  Place: GOULBURN .

Death:
 11376/1919      TOUT      OWEN     (f) WILLIAM     (m) ROSE  Place: STROUD.

 10772/1904      TOUT      ROY L      OWEN      ELIZABETH      PORT MACQUARIE        
11501/1960    TOUT    WILLIAM    OWEN    ELIZABETH    GLOUCESTER      
10610/1951    TOUT    FREDERICK CHARLES    OWEN    ELIZABETH    KEMPSEY      
41571/1971    TOUT    WALTER HAROLD    OWEN FREDERICK    ELIZABETH JANE    WAUCHOPE



Marriage:
 5130/1883      TOUT      OWEN  To    KOELLNER      ELIZABETH     Place:    WINGHAM  .


Children:
 18056/1883      TOUT      MARY ANN      OWEN      ELIZABETH      COPELAND        
22115/1885    TOUT    WILLIAM    OWEN    ELIZABETH    TAREE      
23256/1886    TOUT    EMILY    OWEN    ELIZABETH    TAREE      
11142/1894    TOUT    WALTER E    OWEN    ELIZABETH    COPELAND      
6380/1904    TOUT    ROY L    OWEN    ELIZABETH    PORT MACQUARIE
   
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Marriage:

 1471/1859      TOUT      WILLIAM      MACO      ROSE      BOMBALA

Death:
 16293/1913      TOUT      ROSE      PATRICK      SUSAN      GRANVILLE  (possible Mother)
 5024/1868      TOUT      ANN      WILLIAM      ROSE A      FORBES  (child)

       
Children:
 11881/1859      TOUT      ROSE A      WILLIAM      ROSE A      QUEANBEYAN
 7592/1861      TOUT      OWEN      WILLIAM      ROSE      GOULBURN 
 8728/1863      TOUT      ANN      WILLIAM      ROSE      LIVERPOOL 
 9600/1865      TOUT      ELIZABETH      WILLIAM      ROSE A      HARTLEY        
11986/1867    TOUT    WILLIAM    WILLIAM    ROSE A    FORBES      
13835/1869    TOUT    THOMAS    WILLIAM    ROSE A    FORBES 


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Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:21 BST (UK)
Hi There,
                    Thanks very much for that info Maybe Certificates is the way to go like other people have suggested just works out rather expensive
                     regards
                           yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Robert Coble on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:27 BST (UK)
Hi There,
Yes it but I think the information thats up is thr right  one there if thats what you are looking for there on the TOUT Family of Willam & Rose TOUT there and the Owen TOUT, But do you have that information that I just put up there.

As To Jenn finding:
6683/1862  MCKEOWN  ROSE father  PATRICK mother  SUSAN  CAMPBELLTOWN   and this Death: 16293/1913      TOUT      ROSE      PATRICK      SUSAN      GRANVILLE  (possible Mother of Owen) and possible being the same person.

 just added more to my posting there for you and will add to that posting with other infomation as I find it
Can I ask what country are You there Please?

Regards,
Ozybob
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:43 BST (UK)
Hi Yazzie,
I suggest you quickly print the information that BOb has sent you as it may get removed my the moderators because they are always monitoring Copywright issues and this might be one.  It would be annoying to lose it.
Sue
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Robert Coble on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:48 BST (UK)
HI Sue,
How are you?
Yes I just PM it to Yazzie there was not thinking there Sue .
Thanks for reminding me there .
Regards Ozybob.
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 10 July 07 01:55 BST (UK)
No Worries Bob.
You just never know when you could see the wipe out!!
and it is disappointing.  Though of course we all want to stay on the right side of the law and need the guidance of our Mods to do it!!
Sue
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Robert Coble on Tuesday 10 July 07 02:00 BST (UK)
No Worries Bob.
You just never know when you could see the wipe out!!
and it is disappointing. Though of course we all want to stay on the right side of the law and need the guidance of our Mods to do it!!
Sue
Yes SUE,
Thats right there but should have seen that cause they do take some off my stuff off gee I am a silly Duff there  never mine Sue lol on that or as I say 707 cause my crazy when coming to this stuff there I just get put it with out thinking some time O well thats me Sue .
Regards,
Ozybob
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 10 July 07 03:18 BST (UK)
Hi There,
                    Thanks very much for that info Maybe Certificates is the way to go like other people have suggested just works out rather expensive
                     regards
                           yazzie

hello  there if you use a transcription agent the cost is $15 as opposed to 25 from the Nsw bdm

now a little thought here is you are often better to get a marriage certificate Because the folks themselves have filled it in
on a death you have to rely on the knowledge of others if you follow
regards Jenn
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Tuesday 10 July 07 05:33 BST (UK)
Thanks for that
               Yazzie
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Lynnnnnn on Saturday 30 April 11 15:54 BST (UK)
Hi Yazzie

I'm Lyn Meehan in Australia. Where are you?

It is Rose MEEHAN
born about 1839 County Cavan, Ireland
father: Patrick MEEHAN - from County Cavan, born about 1816
mother: Susan McMAHON - from County Monaghan, Ireland, born abt 1816/17/18

I'm descended from Rose's brother Michael MEEHAN.

Rose moved with her parents to Liverpool England - probably about 1840.
Patrick and susan had five more children here, one boy died.
They all migrated to Sydney, Australia in 1855 ... and settled in Liverpool !! Sydney, NSW.
Liverpool is now an outer western suburb of Sydney, in those days it would've been a seperate town.

Immigration paid for by Patrick father, Owen Meehan, who was a convict to Sydney in 1832 aboard the ship 'Dunvegan Castle' he got 7 years for stealing a pig in Ireland.  On his convict records, said his wife, Rose HAND was deceased and he had seven children in Ireland.
Patrick is the only one that I'm sure of, I've recently found 2 possible sisters. FROM LYN MEEHAN
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Lynnnnnn on Saturday 30 April 11 16:00 BST (UK)
Lyn again,

This is the list of Rose's siblings.  (patrick MEEHAN & Susan McMAHON's children)

Rose MEEHAN born about 1839 County Cavan, Ireland - married William TOUT
Anne MEEHAN born abt     1840 Liverpool, England - married James MURRAY Liverpool, Sydney 1870
Michael MEEHAN born abt  1841 Liverpool, England -
                                                   married 1) Elizabeth Ann MOORE Liverpool, Sydney 1863
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Lynnnnnn on Saturday 30 April 11 16:09 BST (UK)
Sorry, I must've pressed something I didn't mean to and it posted (by itself - gremlins!)
before I'd finished.  I'll try again.


Lyn again,

This is the list of Rose's siblings.  (patrick MEEHAN & Susan McMAHON's children)

Rose MEEHAN born about 1839 County Cavan, Ireland - married William TOUT
Anne MEEHAN born abt     1840 Liverpool, England - married James MURRAY Liverpool, Sydney 1870
Michael MEEHAN born abt  1841 Liverpool, England -
                                                   married 1) Elizabeth Ann MOORE Liverpool, Sydney 1863
                                                                2) Johanna SCHUBERT  (didn't marry, Elizabeth still alive when they
                                                                                                               started having children)

John MEEHAN         born   1843  Liverpool, England.  Didn't immigrate, must've died in England as a child.
Sussanah MEEHAN born abt 1846 Liverpool, England - married Phillip ROBERTS 1865 Liverpool, Sydney
Owen MEEHAN      born abt 1852 Liverpool, England - drowned in Sydney when 5 years old.
immigrated to Australia 1855
Thomas MEEHAN born 1856 Liverpool, SYDNEY  - married Alice STEWART 1880 Sydney.   

THIS PAGE IS JUMPING AROUND, PROLLY TELLING ME THIS IS LONG ENOUGH!!!
FROM Lyn
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Lynnnnnn on Saturday 30 April 11 16:13 BST (UK)
a bit more, I can't type with the page jumping.

Susan McMAHON's parents

Bernard McMAHON
Susan McKELLAR

They're probably from same County as their daughter Susan McMAHON, County Monaghan, Ireland
They were both deceased when Susan and patrick and their family immigrated to Australia in 1855.

I'm descended from Rose's brother Michael MEEHAN, from his second partner whom he didn't marry,
Johanna SCHUBERT.

Good luck with it all
I'll check back here sometimes.
Hope you come back.  It's been about 4 years since you posted.

Lyn Meehan, New South Wales, Australia
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: Billyblue on Saturday 30 April 11 22:11 BST (UK)
Hi Lyn
Now you've made 3 posts, you can PM Yazzie, if he/she doesn't respond to your posts.

And hope that the email address is still valid!   ;D

Dawn M
Title: Re: Touts
Post by: yazzie on Saturday 30 April 11 23:09 BST (UK)
Hi Lynn,
               I did have some of that information thanks its the actuall Touts that I cant find still trying to find the father of William Tout
                                       Regards
                                          Glenys
Title: Re: William and Owen TOUT
Post by: Lynnnnnn on Sunday 01 May 11 06:46 BST (UK)
OK Yazzie

good luck.  If I find anything will get back to you.

Lyn

P.S. I just found the Personal Message icon after someone suggesting it.  I haven't frequented these kind of sites.  Not enough time.  Though is handy to have info 'out there' incase someone else stumbles across it while searching.
Title: Re: William and Owen TOUT
Post by: Aussie1947 on Sunday 01 May 11 10:44 BST (UK)
Hi Yazzie,
Bit late but some info.

New South Wales Country Directory 1895 (Hall)
FARMING SECTION
Copeland
Tout Owen, Barnard River , selector.

Yewens Directory Landholders New South Wales 1900
NOWENDOC DIVISION.
GLOUCESTER P.O.
Tout, Owen, Kant.

New South Wales PO Directory 1904 (Wise)
ALPHABETICAL DIRECTORY.
Tout Owen, farmer, Yarras
Tout Will., farmer, Barwang

NSW Police Gazette 11th October 1893.

Owen Tout was summonsed by senior constable Grimshaw of the Copeland Police to appear at the Taree Quarter Sessions for having in his possession the carcase of a cow likely stolen.  He was allowed bail.

Regards
Gerry 
Title: Re: William and Owen TOUT
Post by: yazzie on Monday 02 May 11 01:07 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for that Gerry I didnt have any of that info do you no where Owens father William was born or what year they came to Australia.'       
                Regards
                  Yazzie
Title: Re: William and Owen TOUT
Post by: Aussie1947 on Monday 02 May 11 15:25 BST (UK)
Bit more from the NSW Police Gazettes.

12 Dec 1883 p475.
William Tout charged with unlawfully wounding William Napp has been arrested by Constables Campion and Cole, Bourke Police.  Committed for trial at Bourke sessions.

5th Jan 1870 p5.
A warrant was issued by the Forbes Police for thearrest of William Tout for deserting his wife, Rose Ann, leaving her without any means of support.

2nd May 1883 p181
Rose Tout alias Mary Ann Thompson was arrested in Sydney and charged with stealing a set of bagpipes!

They not be your William & Rose but they might be also.

Regards
Gerry