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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Allybee1062 on Sunday 08 July 07 02:20 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to trace the irish origins of my O'LEARY family. I know the family was in South Australia in 1861 as JAMES O'LEARY married MARGARET KIELY on 14th May 1861 in Adelaide. The marriage certificate states James' birthplace as 'Ireland' and his father's name is Andrew. James' death registration doesn't list a birthplace.
I have found an entry on a shipping list that could possibly be my family. "O'LEARY Andrew, Catherine nee BURKE, 2 sons, 2 dau inc Honora arrived 1840-10-01 on Mary Dugdale from Bristol via Dublin 1840-06-02"
James and Margaret had 8 children. The eldest son was named Andrew but the name Catherine doesn't appear until their 4th daughter who was named Mary Ann Catherine. I know this is clutching at straws but the Irish naming traditions have helped me in the past.
Does anybody have any ideas on where I could try next? I just want to try and determine a county of origin if possible. I guess if the family from the shipping list is mine, then I can't just presume they were from Dublin because the ship left from there?
Cheers,
Alison from Melbourne, Australia.
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Hello Alison,
The largest number of O'Leary families in Ireland at the time of Griffith's Valuation of Ireland 1848-64 were found in Co. Cork 79 and Cork city 23. Irish Ancestors Surname Search shows that the surname appeared in thirteen other counties.
I attempted to eliminate some of those counties for you by seeing which counties had a Parish with both Burke and O'Leary families but that didn't work too well as both the surnames appeared in the same parish in the following counties ... Clare, Cork, Cork city, Dublin city, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Limerick, Mayo, Roscommon, Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford. It looks as though two counties were eliminated.
Christopher
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Thanks for trying Christopher. They are still eluding me, but I'm giving up just yet.....
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Hello there.
I have O'leary's and Burke's in my family tree. My Grandfather was Patrick Burke and his line all originated from Co.Wexford, Ireland.
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Hi there
I have O'Leary's in my family but possibly not your line. My GGG Grandmother was Mary Ann O'Leary (father Arthur) who came from Ireland and married Edward Clark in Adelaide, South Australia in 1856. Mary Ann O'Leary was born c.1835 in Cork, Ireland (it seems to be where a lot of the O'Learys stemmed from). Have you checked the Biographical Index to South Australians yet????? There are O'Leary's in there but none of mine. If you don't have access to it, let me know and I can have a squizz for you next time I hit the research centre. Let me know
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James O'Leary,father Andrew born in Cork in 1831....Honora 1839...Mary 1839...John 1829. I don't know if they are all the same family. Unfortunatley there is a fee to look at the record.
By using the option to search with the mother's name I got a match for Honora, mother Catherine Burke and for Mary,with mother ? Burke...but not for the others.
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Thank you so much for this info! You have managed to stumble upon an answer to one of my long sought after questions. These are all the right family. My ancestor James emigrated to Australia in 1840 with his father Andrew, step-mother Catherine Burke and 3 siblings. The South Australian Biological Index and Shipping Records have only ever mentioned James, Honora, Mary and an unknown male. I had worked out that it must have been an older brother but have never been able to put a name to him. I'm fairly certain it must be the John you have mentioned. I'll possibly be able to chase him down in South Australia too. I have been to this website before and been able to find the marriage of James' father Andrew O'Leary and his first wife Ann O'Connel in 1828 in Charleville, Co Cork but as the exchange rate means that 5 euro is about 15 dollars, it has been too expensive for me to search any further. I'm so excited about this though, I may have to treat myself to a few searches to find out more!
Thanks again for this and for your trouble.
Alison
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Hi Alison
I searched for John.b1829 and James b1831 with mother Ann O'Connel and father Andrew and got a hit. So John and James were from Andrew's 1st marriage and Mary and Honora (twins ?) from his 2nd marriage.I can only find records for 2 children from the 1st marriage and 2 from the second.
also marriage of Andrew to Catherine Burke in 1838.
I searched by parish and got a hit for his marriage in Shandrum RC church (St. Josephs ??) and baptism records for Mary and Honora in the same church. You look at the area on google earth street view.
I found his 1st marriage in Charleville RC church (Holy Cross Church ??) about 3 miles from Shandrum. John and James were baptised there too.
Griffith's valuation http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml has a couple of O'Leary's in Shandrum
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Dear BeccW
I am descendent of Mary Ann O’Leary and Edward Clark from Tatiara/Bordertown.
I'm trying to get information on Mary Ann O'Leary's origins in Ireland.
I have very little to go on based on my Aunty Jill Harvey's notes.
Marriage date: 3 Dec 1856.
Mary Ann O’Leary aged 19 of Currie Street, Adelaide; Father: Arthur O’Leary.
To Edward Clark. His father’s name Stephen Clark
Mary Ann Died: 06/Jan/1918 (age: ~73-85, Bordertown, SA) Alternate date: 16/Jan/1918
Very interested if you have further information.
Yours sincerely
Allen
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Hi Allen
We have the same Mary Ann O'Leary married to Edward Clark on the 3 Dec 1956 at Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide and lived in the Tatiara District, Bordertown, SA.
I'm not sure if I can give you much more information regarding Mary Ann. I have been searching Mary Ann O'Leary's history for some time and despite the hours spent in the reading room nothing for her arrival in South Australia comes up in the search. I suspect she may have arrived in Australia either through Vic or NSW and then moved to SA overland as so many did during this time. Arthur O'Leary also doesn't show himself in any of the searches.
I know she came from County Cork, Ireland and was born in 1836. She died on the 16 Jan 1918 and is buried at the Bordertown cemetery on the 18th Jan. They had 10 children - Stephen, Edward, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Harriet, William Jas, Margaret and Arther. I am descended from Stephen Clark who married Charlotte Henrietta Smith. If you are from the same line let me know, I have a lot on info on the Smith family.
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Cheers
Bec
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Dear BeccW
I am descendent of Mary Ann O’Leary and Edward Clark from Tatiara/Bordertown.
I'm trying to get information on Mary Ann O'Leary's origins in Ireland.
I have very little to go on based on my Aunty Jill Harvey's notes.
Marriage date: 3 Dec 1856.
Mary Ann O’Leary aged 19 of Currie Street, Adelaide; Father: Arthur O’Leary.
To Edward Clark. His father’s name Stephen Clark
Mary Ann Died: 06/Jan/1918 (age: ~73-85, Bordertown, SA) Alternate date: 16/Jan/1918
Very interested if you have further information.
Yours sincerely
Allen
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Hi Bec
Thanks for the response.
I am a descendent of James Louden Clark (Jas), not Stephen, but I am pleased to know about your line.
James Louden Clark married Harriet Ellen Wilkinson 14/Aug/1890 (Bordertown, SA)
He is my great grandfather.
I'm interested in any specific information you have for Mary Ann O'Leary's birth year or anything else. I live in Ireland so might be able to narrow it down with local searches.
I'll use the personal message system to share my personal email address with you.
All the best
Allen
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https://www.ancestry.ie/interactive/61039/05001_01_0058/6189448?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ie%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsln%3do%2527leary%26gsln_x%3d0%26msbpn__ftp%3dcork%26msfng%3dandrew%26msmng%3dcatherine%26msmns%3dburke%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d0%26uidh%3deh3&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
The birth of Hanora 1839, parents Andrew O'Leary and Catherine Burke BUT the sponsors are Andrew O'Leary and Johanna Burke. These are most likely the parents of Mary O'Leary b.1839...I think that the sponsor used her maiden name at this time.
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Marriage of an Andrew and Ann 19th August 1828 https://www.ancestry.ie/interactive/61039/05002_02_0006/9378957?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ie%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dandrew%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3do%2527leary%26gsln_x%3d0%26msbpn__ftp%3dcork%26msgpn__ftp%3dcork%26mssng1%3dcatherine%26mssns1%3dburke%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d0%26uidh%3deh3&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults (https://www.ancestry.ie/interactive/61039/05002_02_0006/9378957?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ie%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dandrew%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3do%2527leary%26gsln_x%3d0%26msbpn__ftp%3dcork%26msgpn__ftp%3dcork%26mssng1%3dcatherine%26mssns1%3dburke%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d0%26uidh%3deh3&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)https://www.ancestry.ie/interactive/61039/05002_02_0006/9378957?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ie%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dandrew%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3do%2527leary%26gsln_x%3d0%26msbpn__ftp%3dcork%26msgpn__ftp%3dcork%26mssng1%3dcatherine%26mssns1%3dburke%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d0%26uidh%3deh3&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
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Hi @aldoaldo and @beccw, I’m still trying to work it out but I think my DNA test is indicating I’m related to Mary Ann O’Leary (Clark). I know my great-grandfather was raised by one of her daughters but it doesn’t look like he was her son.
I noticed an article on Trove about her which indicates she was born c1835 in Cork. The article also mentions she came to Australia on “Northern Lights” In 1853 but I can only find that ship arriving in 1855 and couldn’t work out if she was on the passenger list.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/212854299
I noticed her shared headstone with her husband also has a “beloved brother Jack” who looked to be quite young when he died. Does anyone know anything about Jack? I can find a death record, can’t find a birth record.
These posts are quite old, but thought I’d try to reach out anyway. If you had found anything further I would be very interested.
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Jack is sometimes a 'short ' form of John and a John b1829 has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread (Posts 5 & 7) so there may be a connection.
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Jack is sometimes a 'short ' form of John and a John b1829 has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread (Posts 5 & 7) so there may be a connection.
Thanks for that (I'm very new at this). The brother 'Jack' who shares their grave had the dates 1878-1890... but your suggestion of searching for the name John I had a death record hit with John Clark d.1890. He seems to be Edward and Mary Ann's last child - birth record Arthur John Henry Clarke. Well that mystery is solved. :D
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Mary Ann Died: 06/Jan/1918 (age: ~73-85, Bordertown, SA) Alternate date: 16/Jan/1918
The brother 'Jack' who shares their grave had the dates 1878-1890
Here's the gravestone link.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111864399/jack-clark
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