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Hi,
I am trying to locate Charles and Hugh Blakey, born Horsley Woodhouse, ca 1845 (possibly twins) on the 1851 census. I can find them in 1861, living with an uncle, William Ottwell and his wife Ann. I can find William and Ann Ottwell in 1851, but Charles and Hugh are not with them. Not sure what to do now.
Chilibear
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Hi chilibear
Confirmation that they were twins can be found in
Probable Birth Registration
1845 Belper JFM quarter 19 431
Charles Blakey
Hugh Blakey
DS ;)
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the page appears to be missing from the usual sources.Found it by transcript only.
Horsely woodhouse HO107 2144 fol307 sch 30.(near the ottewells who are schedule 24)
Mary Blakey 37
Elizabeth 11
Charles 6
ann 1
that is all the detail I can give you but at least it gives you something to go on
I think you can buy the fiche if required.
Mary and Elizabeth can be found fairly easily on th 1841 but again it will not give you relationships.
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it is possible that the little twins had lost most of their family by the 1861.there are deaths for a Mary and an ann Blakey Belper on free bmd.There is a marriage for an elizabeth blakey also on free bmd
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Hi
Nice one yonder 8)
Just checked on
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/general/howto.shtml
but it only shows the index. However Hugh aged 6 is also with the other four family members
DS
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sorry seem to have missed off poor little Hugh.Going absent again.Suppose the only way out is a birth cert.Am begginning to feel sorry for these poor little fellows.Hope they got on ok afterwards.
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Hi, I believe Hugh was my great great grandfather. I have his marriage certificate listing his father as what looks like "Charles Hugh", his birth certificate has no entry for his father - any clues on how I can trace him? Thanks - amazed that someone else appears to be tracing the same relative!
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Hi, this is really exciting. I thought I should look at this site again even though I have had no e-mail notifications of replies to my posts for months. Well what do I find but several replies. Thanks to everyone for beavering away.
DS and yonderpeasant: Thank you for the info about the 1951 census and bmd. I had spotted Mary and Elizabeth on 1841, but had no way of knowing if they were connected or not. I also note that there is an Ann Blakey, aged 4 with William and Ann Ottwell in 1841; don't know who she is. I also do not know how William is an uncle to Hugh and Charles.
Charles Blakey is the great grandfather of my mother-in-law. Through the census records I have traced many descendants of Charles and his brother Hugh, so it appears that those two little boys survived and prospered at least in the sense of family if not wealth.
Princel, Where was Hugh born and married? Am I correct in guessing that 1869 (O-N-D); Belper, Derbyshire; Vol. 7b; p. 874 is his marriage reference and that he married Sarah Mellor? My next step was to order the birth and marriage certificates for Charles; I am not sure that these would give any more information than you have already. I am not sure exactly what to do after that. I guess that we have to look at Parish Records; I am just not sure where these would be for Horsley Woodhouse.
Any ideas?
Chilibear
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Hi,
I've got Hugh's birth certificate, he was born 15/01/1845 at 4 o'clock PM at Horsleywoodhouse (the time indicates twins, I don't have Charles's cert., so I don't know which was older). Mother Mary Blakey registered the births, 'signed' with an X. Hugh married Sarah Mellor on 7th December 1869 in Horsley. His father is listed on the marriage certificate as Charles Hugh (so I guess that's where the twins' names came from!), who was a labourer. Charles was one of the witnesses who signed the register (I'm assuming that's his brother Charles rather than the father...?)
Hugh and Sarah had a son, Hugh 18th May 1873, who married Octavia Jane Woolley (b 13/07/1876) on 1st August 1898. They had 2 daughters Anne (known as Nance) and my grandmother, Winifred Mary (16/07/1903). Octavia died in 1905, as far as I can tell, this Hugh seems to have remarried at least twice (I remember my grandmother telling me she liked one of her stepmothers but not the other one), but I don't have any details of that.
I have a note that Charles married Elizabeth and had 5 children, but that's as far as I know for that bit of the family, so if you could fill in any of the details that would be great!
I haven't found any connection with the Ottwells, although they do appear in the Smalley one place study pages. Can't find our Blakeys on that site though...
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Hi Princel,
Thank you for that information. It confirms some of what I had surmised and adds a bit extra! I have ordered the death certificate of Mary Blakey and birth and marriage certificate of Charles Blakey. I have had a bit of a search on Ancestry and found a second marriage for a Hugh Blakey to an Elizabeth Eyre in 1907 (1907 (O-N-D); Belper, Derbyshire; Vol. 7b; p. 1413). Could be one of them.
Charles Blakey married Elizabeth Mitchell (1870) and they had seven children. I have found them on all census from 1851 to 1901. I know that two of their sons married and had children; the rest may have done so - I do not know. The eldest son (b. 1873) married Elizabeth Marriott (b. 1878). They are my mother-in-law's grandparents.
My mother-in-law was brought up in Smalley, hence I too have been looking on the Smalley one place study pages. I have found William Ottewell and his wife Ann, but no link to the Blakey's. I put a query on the post: Re: Smalley people - HALLSWORTH; CRESWELL; ROE; WOOLLANDS; WOOLLEY et al; you will can find the answers there. Hugh and Octavia Blakey will be added soon!
Chilibear.
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That's so exciting! I'm asking my mother if she remembers my grandmother ever talking about an Elizabeth. She's not mentioned it so far, but I'm hoping the name might generate some memories! My grandmother, Winifred Mary Blakey, was bron & brought up in Smalley. She moved 'dpwn south' to teach, but ironically my sister has ended up living fairly close, so I've popped across to Smalley when I've visited her occassionally. I'll keep digging.
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Just jumping in from the other thread; the Ottewell and Woolley pages have been amended and uploaded -
I still can't make all the connections but I'm hoping that the certificates will shed some light.
Just for the record, Hugh Blakey is on the 1891 census in Smalley
Good hunting!
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Certificates have arrived and open up more questions than they solve.
Birth certificate of Charles Blakey: born at 7 half minutes past 4 o'clock on 15 Jan 1845 (therefore the younger twin); no father's name given; mother: Mary Blakey, Horsley Woodhouse.
I am guessing that this makes Charles illegitimate - two reasons: there is no father and Mary does not have a maiden name, only Blakey.
Marriage certificate of Charles Blakey and Elizabeth Mitchell: married on 7 Mar 1870; both full age and living at Horsley Woodhouse; he was a bachelor and a nail maker, his father was Charles Hurst?, a labourer; she was a spinster and fwk, her father was Zephariah Buon?, a coalminer. The witnesses were Hugh Blakey and Ann Wood.
Pincel: I do not think that it says Charles Hugh; the surname is normally given and Blakey is not there. Secondly the second name (Hugh/ Hurst) does not have any letters below the line, therefore cannot be Hugh. If they were illegitimate, it would make sense that they have their mother's name, not their father's.
It also looks like I have a problem with Elizabeth Mitchell, whose father's surname is not Mitchell, so may be she is illegitimate as well! I can find an Elizabeth Mitchell of the right age in Horsley Woodhouse on the 1851 and 1861 census's (Class: HO107; Piece: 2144; Folio 308, p. 9 and Class: RG9; Piece: 2508; Folio 99, p. 20) who is the daughter-in-law of Samuel and Elizabeth Wood (I assume that means step-daughter). They also have a daughter Ann Wood; she might be the witness.
The death certificate for Mary Blakey (1852 (A-M-J); Belper, Derbyshire; Vol. 7b; p. 251) states that she died on 15 May 1852 at Horsley Woodhouse, aged 38 years. She was the wife of William Blakey, labourer. The informant was a Sarah Ottewell. So it does not seem that this is the same Mary Blakey and I cannot find another who died between 1851 and 1861 in Horsley Woodhouse on Ancestry.
Any thoughts, anyone?
Chilibear.