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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: suffolkboyswife on Saturday 07 July 07 11:26 BST (UK)
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'm desperately searching for the birth of my gt gt grandfather, Thomas Robinson. He was born in Stainfield near Lincoln and going by the census returns he was born around 1849.
I have eventually found him in the 1851 census (aged 2) with his mother Sarah and 2 siblings, Edwin and Ann (transcribed as Robison)
I have Thomas' marriage cert and his father is named as John Robinson deceased. As there is no father named on the 1851 and 1861 census I presume he died when Thomas was very young as his mother is down as WID.
I cannot find a suitable birth ref for Thomas but I can for Edwin and Ann. I have also found Edwin and Ann on the IGI index but Ann's parents are down as John and Sarah with Edwin's being John and Mary, but as on the 1851 and 1861 census their mother is Sarah I'm presuming she is called Sarah and not Mary. Why would Edwin's mother be down as Mary on the IGI or is it just the usual take the IGI index with a pinch of salt.
The only Thomas Robinson birth at the right time is Thomas Dawber Robinson born in the Caistor reg district (in Lincolnshire). I have found a marriage cert for John Robinson and Sarah Dawber in 1840 or 41 I can't remember the exact year as I type this, and I have a copy of it and it says they were married in Stainfield and as both Edwin and Ann were born in Stainfield and my gt gt grandad has put Stainfield as his place of birth in all the census returns, I thought this Thomas Dawber Robinson must be my gt gt grandfather but he is registered in the wrong place.
To make matters worse I have also been looking for his death reference. I know from my grandma where her grandparents were living as she remembers visiting them and leaving her bike at their house when she went to town on the bus. The only suitable reference I can find is in 1936 but the date has him aged 83/4 meaning he was born in 1852. My grandma remembers her grandma coming to live with her family after her grandad died as her grandma was suffering from senility. I have found a suitable death ref for her grandma in 1937 in the right place and the right age.
Can anyone else spot him or have any suggestions. I need this info for the chart I'm putting together for my Grandmas 80th birthday next month so I'm beginning to get desperate now.
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Perhaps John ROBINSON was the person of that name buried a mile away from Stainfield in Apley, 4 March 1851 "aged 41" (National Burial Index).
I'm afraid that recorded ages at death (this applies both to John and to Thomas) are only as reliable as the knowledge of the people giving the information.
Perhaps the TDR birth you have found was the one that the IGI has at Lissington (Caistor district) - Thomas Dawloch ROBINSON .... indeed, the National Burial Index has his 1851 burial (at Lissington age 1) as Thomas Dawber ROBINSON. I guess he was the fruit of this marriage ..
Marriages Dec 1843
Dauber Eliza Caistor 14 525
Robinson John Caistor 14 525
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Looking at the births in Lincoln for 1849 there is a birth....
Robinson male q2 1849 Lincoln vol 14 page 504
There does not at first sight appear to be a death of an un-named male Robinson. If he was a weak baby they may have registered him quickley and then he recovered. Had that happenn with one of mine ...lived to over 90 in the end!
Tazzie
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You may like this - from my BIVRI disks
Baptism 10 Dec 1848 Stainfield
Thomas ROBINSON, son of John and Sarah
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Hello,
Thank you both for your responses.
The one from the BIVRI disks looks very interesting, I'll have to see if there is an appropriate listing in the birth indexes.
Forgive me for being dense but what are the BIVRI disks?
Thanks again,
Sarah
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Forgive me for being dense but what are the BIVRI disks?
It's a set of disks (marketed by LDS) with millions of baptisms and marriages - inevitably some overlap with the IGI.
http://www.genoot.com/downloads/BVRI2/
BIVRI also has Edwin as son of John and Mary - it must have been a slip by the vicar.
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Thanks for letting me know.
Can I just ask your opinion.
I have the marriage cert for John Robinson to Sarah Dawber and they were married in Stainfield in 1840.
I have looked in the census returns and Sarah is down as being born in Hatton around 1804-6ish I have looked in the IGI and there is a Sarah Dawber baptised in 1804 (I think it said, it might be 1806) in Hatton.
Do you think this could be the same Sarah and do you think I have the right John and Sarah getting married?
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I think you must have the right marriage.
You are likely to have the right Sarah DAWBER - I believe she did not name her father when she married - simply "deceased" ... a Bryan DAWBER was buried in Hatton 24 July 1822 aged 43 and Elizabeth DAUBER 11 Feb 1824 aged 41. These names match with the IGI baptism.
Regarding John ROBINSON (with father Thomas) of about the right age, the one in Fiskerton (3-4 miles from Stainfield) in 1810 looks handy. Looking at other children of those parents shows a Rachel bap in 1812 in Fiskerton ... she may have been buried in 1841 in Apley. Thomas and Rachel ROBINSON also had a child bap in Stainfield so to my mind the links seem favourable.
Thomas ROBINSON buried in Apley 4 June 1843 aged 67, Rachel 31 Jan 1865 aged 85. And "your" Sarah 7 Oct 1866 aged 62.
Here's a map ... http://tinyurl.com/22zkdj
Note Fiskerton a few miles east of Lincoln, then Stainfield and Apley a few miles east of Fiskerton.
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You've come up with the names I have found and on John and Sarah's marriage cert it does say John's father is Thomas and Sarah's just says deceased.
Thank you for your help, you have helped me no end ;D 8) ;D
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When you found Thomas Robinson aged 2. in 1851, I don't supose there was a full address ??? Eilleen.
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I've just had another look and there is no address written down at all.
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It was just a thought, there are not many house's in Stainfield, my brother live's in one , and I am visiting the family tomorrow, I could have taken a photo if it still was standing. Eilleen.
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OH WOW, that would have been fantastic if there had have been an address, what a shame there isn't. Thank you for the offer though.
I have checked the 1861 census and there isn't an address there either.
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If you think of anything round there that you want me to photo or have a look at , just let me know. Eilleen.
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Bryan Dauber mar Elizabeth Marshall 29/11/1803 , Hatton (Horncastle deanery marriages)
John
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Thomas Robinson mar Rachael Houlden 20/5/1804, Stainfield (Hormarrs)
John
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Hi John,
Thank you for this, it is very useful info to add. ;D
Sarah
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Hi again,
I've just had an another look at the IGI and they have a Thomas Robinson marrying Rachael Howden in Washingborough 15-5-1804.
The surname of the Rachaels are very similar and the date is only a few days apart.
Do you think there is some discrepancy somewhere and it is the same marriage or is it just a coincidence?
Sarah
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Hi again,
I've just had an another look at the IGI and they have a Thomas Robinson marrying Rachael Howden in Washingborough 15-5-1804.
The surname of the Rachaels are very similar and the date is only a few days apart.
Do you think there is some discrepancy somewhere and it is the same marriage or is it just a coincidence?
I'm afraid I can't answer your question, but the relevant IGI batch for Washingborough - M034191 - is far from complete ... there are no marriages for the years 1798-1806 inclusive.
However my Graffoe Deanery Index has Washingborough ... a Thomas ROBINSON married an Elizabeth WHITEHEAD there in 1798 (no date). The next ROBINSON marriages there were in 1808.
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'm desperately searching for the birth of my gt gt grandfather, Thomas Robinson. He was born in Stainfield near Lincoln and going by the census returns he was born around 1849.
I have eventually found him in the 1851 census (aged 2) with his mother Sarah and 2 siblings, Edwin and Ann (transcribed as Robison)
I have Thomas' marriage cert and his father is named as John Robinson deceased. As there is no father named on the 1851 and 1861 census I presume he died when Thomas was very young as his mother is down as WID.
I cannot find a suitable birth ref for Thomas but I can for Edwin and Ann. I have also found Edwin and Ann on the IGI index but Ann's parents are down as John and Sarah with Edwin's being John and Mary, but as on the 1851 and 1861 census their mother is Sarah I'm presuming she is called Sarah and not Mary. Why would Edwin's mother be down as Mary on the IGI or is it just the usual take the IGI index with a pinch of salt.
The only Thomas Robinson birth at the right time is Thomas Dawber Robinson born in the Caistor reg district (in Lincolnshire). I have found a marriage cert for John Robinson and Sarah Dawber in 1840 or 41 I can't remember the exact year as I type this, and I have a copy of it and it says they were married in Stainfield and as both Edwin and Ann were born in Stainfield and my gt gt grandad has put Stainfield as his place of birth in all the census returns, I thought this Thomas Dawber Robinson must be my gt gt grandfather but he is registered in the wrong place.
To make matters worse I have also been looking for his death reference. I know from my grandma where her grandparents were living as she remembers visiting them and leaving her bike at their house when she went to town on the bus. The only suitable reference I can find is in 1936 but the date has him aged 83/4 meaning he was born in 1852. My grandma remembers her grandma coming to live with her family after her grandad died as her grandma was suffering from senility. I have found a suitable death ref for her grandma in 1937 in the right place and the right age.
Can anyone else spot him or have any suggestions. I need this info for the chart I'm putting together for my Grandmas 80th birthday next month so I'm beginning to get desperate now.
my great grandfather was thomas robinson born stainfield. i have his family tree and also photos of him. he had a very large family!! let me know if your still around. your posting is dates 2007 i think
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MY MY!!! This thread is a blast from the past!!
I haven't been on here for many many months but I received an email notification of your message lincolnshirelad.
What you have to say sounds very interesting, can I ask which marriage you stem from??
I would be very interested to hear from you further - after making sure we both have the right Thomas Robinson and are not talking about 2 different ones, that wouldn't be a first in genealogy!
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my thomas robinson was born in 1849 in stainfield his mother was sarah robins 1811 to 1892 father was john 1810 to 1849
thomas was married twice. to margaret goulding and phoebe james. my grandmother was alice born 1880 died 1955. i have their tree back to about 1700? if this is correct can you let me have your email address so i can send you more info
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Hi Lincolnshirelad
My G G Grandfather was Thomas Robinson married to Margaret Goulding
My G Grandfather was James Robinson 1884 brother to Alice 1880c
My Grandfather was Horice Robinson 1911
If you get or see this message Lincolnshirelad would it be possible to have a copy of your tree?
Did Alice marry Percy Davis in 1921?
Anyway hope you find this, good luck looking.
Paul Robinson
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I have information that might help you and a photograph of Thomas Robinson. If you can let me have your email address we can communicate directly.
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Hi
my email is pr4jr2@aol.com