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Title: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Friday 06 July 07 12:49 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find details for Mary BAKER born Newlyn, Cornwall - DOB unknown and she died in Newlyn, 30/8/1832. 

She married John KOWLESKEY (born abt. 1761 Conisberg, now Kalingrad, Russia) - in Newlyn, Cornwall on 10/3/1799.  The name was changed to KLISKEY.

I have all the children and descendants to date. 

I would now like to find Mary BAKER's details and obviously her ancestors.  Does this Mary BAKER ring a ding dong with anyone?

Thanks
CP

 
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Monday 09 July 07 04:08 BST (UK)
I have now managed to obtain details of Mary BAKER's ancestors right back to 1615 so I am ecstatic. ;D

There are links to the surnames JAMES, ROWE and CRANKAN just in case anyone is interested.

CP 

 
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: tab on Sunday 19 August 07 17:44 BST (UK)
Hi, on looking at burial records for Paul it gives her age as 57 so she would have been born about 1775. The Mary Baker which seems the right one is Mary Baker Chr 14 Jan 1776 Paul Cornwall parents James & Blanch.
 I have some Kliskeys who married in to my tree Richard Norman Kiliskey wed my cousin Elizabeth Gartrell in 1933 Penzance Cornwall. Regards Terry
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Saturday 03 November 07 06:47 GMT (UK)
G'day Terry,

Thanks for your reply and my apologies for not replying sooner but have only just found your message today. :-[  As I said in my last message, I have managed to obtain detais of Mary BAKER's ancestors right back to 1615.  Thanks for your information.

Mary BAKER and John KOWLESKEY (KLISKEY) were my gr-gr-gr-grandparents.

I would be very interested to hear about any Kliskey information you have and I will be happy to pass on anything to help you.  I have a heap of Kliskey information.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
CP



Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Saturday 03 November 07 08:18 GMT (UK)
Hi again Terry,

Just checked my Tree to see if I had your GARTRELL information and this is what I have:

Joanna GARTRELL born 14 November 1911 ?? Cornwall died February 1994 (??) Cornwall.  Married Norman KLISKEY June 3, 1933 and died 1989 - they had 3 daughters and 2 sons (won't mention names as they are probably Living).

No mention of Richard or Elizabeth.  Maybe I was given the wrong information??

Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,
CP

Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: azinoz on Thursday 15 November 07 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi CP,

We have Mary Baker in our family tree too.

born 14 Jan 1776, married to John Kowleskey.

My mother's maiden name is Lanyon. Her grandfather was William Frederick Lanyon, born 25 Nov 1891,  who married Grace Rouffignac Kliskey on 19 Aug 1915.

we would be interested in any info you have on Mary Baker's and John Kowleskey's ancestry.

Thanks, Aaron.
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Monday 11 February 08 11:59 GMT (UK)
G'day Aaron

My humble apologies that I missed your posting :-[.  I haven't caught up for quite a while.

Yes, I have William Frederick LANYON married to Grace ROUFFIGNAC, in my Tree.

I would be more than happy to share any information with you so if you would like to PM me with your email address I will send the information via email.

Regards,
CP



Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Monday 11 February 08 12:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Terry,

I haven't heard back from you regarding Richard Norman KLISKEY and Elizabeth GARTRELL.  Look forward to hearing from you when you have time.

Thanks and regards,
CP

Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Monday 11 February 08 12:03 GMT (UK)
By the way Aaron, WELCOME to Rootschat. ;D
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: MaggieT on Thursday 08 May 08 19:27 BST (UK)
Hi Cornish Pasty and everyone, just been browsing and came across this subject.  The info you have CP is almost all correct, he was RICHARD Norman and is my Uncle, mother's brother, if it's the info I passed on to you.  Just the dates...Joanna Gartrell b. 14 Nov 1912 d. Feb. 1993 and Richard Norman 08 Dec 1911 d. 24 Apr 1989.  They had 3 daughters, 2 sons and are all still living.  Would be happy to hear from anyone. M.
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Firefly on Thursday 23 October 08 18:57 BST (UK)
Sorry that I have been offline for quite a long time.  Other things have got in the road of family history.  This would seem to match into this discussion.

Descendants of Elizabeth Nicholas
Generation No. 1

NOTE THAT ELIZABETH NICHOLAS WAS THE DAUGHTER
OF MICHAEL NICHOLAS AND Alice Thomas 02 Nov 1795
BINGO – MY LINE – .




1.   ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS  (MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born 17 Nov 1831 in Saint Just In Penwith, Cornwall, England and died Aft. 1901 in Cornwall.

   She married JAMES BAKER WILLIAMS 18 Aug 1853 in St Just In Penwith, Cornwall son of JOSEPH WILLIAMS and JANE BAKER.
 He was born 16 Oct 1831 in Newlyn, Saint Levan, Cornwall, England, and died Aft. 1901 in Cornwall.
   
Children of ELIZABETH NICHOLAS and JAMES WILLIAMS are:
   i.   NICHOLAS THOMAS7 WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1854, Penzance, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall (Source:   ii.   
               JAMES WILLIAMS, b. 1857, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Diggers Birth Registrations. - REG BALLARAT 1857 NO 14710); d. Bef. 1861, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia.
   iii.   JANE BAKER WILLIAMS, b. 1860, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Diggers Birth Registrations. - reg Ballarat no 7633); d. 1861, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia.
   iv.   JAMES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1861, Ballarat, Victoria, Australia; d. 1862, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Digger death index.Digger death index. reg no 297 - 1862).
2.   v.   JAMES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1862, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia; d. Bef. 1901.
3.   vi.   JANIE BAKER WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1864, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.
   vii.   CHARLES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1866, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.



NOTE - FAMILY WAS IN AUSTRALIA BY 1861 AND RETURNED TO CORNWALL BY 1871

Generation No. 2

2.   JAMES7 WILLIAMS (ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born Abt. 1862 in Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia and died Bef. 1901.  He married JANIE PASCOE EDDY , daughter of BENJAMIN EDDY and MARY PASCOE.  She was born 27 Nov 1863 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall


Children of JAMES WILLIAMS and JANIE EDDY are:
   i.   MARY PASCOE8 WILLIAMS, b. 1883, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.
   ii.   LEONARD WILLIAMS, b. 1889, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.


3.   JANIE BAKER7 WILLIAMS (ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born Abt. 1864 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall
She married John Rowe, Dec 1887 in Penzance,
  He was born Abt. 1863 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall

   
Child of JANIE WILLIAMS and JOHN ROWE is:
i.   JEANETTE W8 ROWE, b. Abt. 1889, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall



The following is the File from the Baker side.  Any assistance in filling out this tree would be appreciated

Descendants of James Baker

0 James BAKER b: Abt. 1746
+Blanch JAMES b: Abt. 1751
    1 James BAKER b: 20 Dec 1777
    +Susanna TONKIN b: Abt. 1771
        2 Jane Tonkin BAKER b: 18 Jan 1805
        +Joseph WILLIAMS b: 02 Feb 1808
             3 Samuel WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1830
              3 James Baker WILLIAMS b: 16 Oct 1831
               +Elizabeth NICHOLAS b: 17 Nov 1831     
                  4 Nicholas Thomas WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1854
     4 James WILLIAMS b: 1857
     4 Jane Baker WILLIAMS b: 1860
     4 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1861
     4 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1862
     +Janie Pascoe EDDY b: 27 Nov 1863
        5 Mary Pascoe WILLIAMS b: 1883
                     5 Leonard WILLIAMS b: 1889
     4 Janie BAKER WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1864
     +John ROWE b: Abt. 1863
                     5 Jeanette W ROWE b: Abt. 1889
     4 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1866
             3 Ann WILLIAMS b: 19 Jun 1837
             3 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1837
       2 James BAKER b: 22 Feb 1807
       +ELIZABETH NICHOLLS b: Abt. 1811
              3 SUSANNAH BAKER b: 1838
             +SAMUEL WARREN CARTER b: Abt. 1830
                   4 Samuel CARTER b: Abt. 1868
                   4 Susan CARTER b: Abt. 1869
               3 JANE TONKIN BAKER b: 1846
               +John Nichols BECKERLEGG/BECKERLEG b: 1841
                    4 JOHN JAMES BECKERLEGG b: 1870
                    4 WILLIAM BECKERLEGG b: 1872
                    4 MARY BECKERLEGG b: 1874
                     4 JANE T. BECKERLEGG b: 1876
                     4 RICHARD H. BECKERLEGG b: 1879
                     +MARY L THOMAS
                      4 SUSAN CARTER BECKERLEGG b: 1880
                      4 ELIZA/Elizabeth A BECKERLEGG b: 1882
                       4 SARAH N BECKERLEG b: 1886
                      4 GERTRUDE BECKERLEG b: 1890
                  3 MARY BAKER b: 1848
                  +William John NICHOLLS
                  3 James BAKER b: 1851
                  +Emma WARREN
                       4 William W BAKER b: Abt. 1873
                      4 Blanch M BAKER b: Abt. 1884
                      4 James BAKER b: Abt. 1890
             2 Blanch BAKER b: 01 Apr 1810
              +Thomas GUBBS
                    3 Susanna Baker GUBBS b: Abt. 1837
  1 Mary BAKER b: 14 Jan 1776
  +Johan KOWLEWSKI b: 1761

Cheers,

Meredith
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Firefly on Thursday 23 October 08 19:09 BST (UK)
To those wanting more information on Mary Baker,

Mind you that this would all need to be confirmed and have located pieces on various websites etc while trying to locate my line.

Descendants of Phillip James

0 Phillip JAMES b: 15 Dec 1722
+Jane CRANKAN b: Abt. 1720
1 Blanch JAMES b: Abt. 1751
+James BAKER b: Abt. 1746
2 James BAKER b: 20 Dec 1777
+Susanna TONKIN b: Abt. 1771
3 Jane Tonkin BAKER b: 18 Jan 1805
+Joseph WILLIAMS b: 02 Feb 1808
4 Samuel WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1830
4 James Baker WILLIAMS b: 16 Oct 1831
+Elizabeth NICHOLAS b: 17 Nov 1831
5 Nicholas Thomas WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1854
5 James WILLIAMS b: 1857
5 Jane Baker WILLIAMS b: 1860
5 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1861
5 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1862
+Janie Pascoe EDDY b: 27 Nov 1863
6 Mary Pascoe WILLIAMS b: 1883
6 Leonard WILLIAMS b: 1889
5 Janie BAKER WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1864
+John ROWE b: Abt. 1863
6 Jeanette W ROWE b: Abt. 1889
5 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1866
4 Ann WILLIAMS b: 19 Jun 1837
4 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1837
3 James BAKER b: 22 Feb 1807
+ELIZABETH NICHOLLS b: Abt. 1811
4 SUSANNAH BAKER b: 1838
+SAMUEL WARREN CARTER b: Abt. 1830
5 Samuel CARTER b: Abt. 1868
5 Susan CARTER b: Abt. 1869
4 JANE TONKIN BAKER b: 1846
+John Nichols BECKERLEGG/BECKERLEG b: 1841
5 JOHN JAMES BECKERLEGG b: 1870
5 WILLIAM BECKERLEGG b: 1872
5 MARY BECKERLEGG b: 1874
5 JANE T. BECKERLEGG b: 1876
5 RICHARD H. BECKERLEGG b: 1879
+MARY L THOMAS
5 SUSAN CARTER BECKERLEGG b: 1880
5 ELIZA/Elizabeth A BECKERLEGG b: 1882
5 SARAH N BECKERLEG b: 1886
5 GERTRUDE BECKERLEG b: 1890
4 MARY BAKER b: 1848
+William John NICHOLLS
4 James BAKER b: 1851
+Emma WARREN
5 William W BAKER b: Abt. 1873
5 Blanch M BAKER b: Abt. 1884
5 James BAKER b: Abt. 1890
3 Blanch BAKER b: 01 Apr 1810
+Thomas GUBBS
4 Susanna Baker GUBBS b: Abt. 1837
2 Mary BAKER b: 14 Jan 1776

+Johan KOWLEWSKI b: 1761

1 Edward JAMES b: Abt. 1750
1 Philip JAMES b: Abt. 1756

I have no information on Edward or James and there may have been other children.

Cheers

Meredith

 
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Friday 31 October 08 11:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Meredith,

Thanks so much for all that information :-*.  A lot looks familiar but there's plenty there that I don't have and will need to go through it in the next couple of days (or weeks or months) ;D ;D ;D

I will get back to you ASAP.  Looks like I found another cousin :D :D

Catch up soon and thanks again.

Regards
CP

Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: cornishpasty on Friday 31 October 08 11:17 GMT (UK)
Meredith/Firefly,

WELCOME to Rootschat.com.  Aren't you glad you found us? ;D

I apologise for the delay in replying as I haven't been very active on here myself lately.

Regards,
CP 
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Mc Millian on Thursday 28 May 09 15:08 BST (UK)
Sorry that I have been offline for quite a long time.  Other things have got in the road of family history.  This would seem to match into this discussion.

Descendants of Elizabeth Nicholas
Generation No. 1

NOTE THAT ELIZABETH NICHOLAS WAS THE DAUGHTER
OF MICHAEL NICHOLAS AND Alice Thomas 02 Nov 1795
BINGO – MY LINE – .




1.   ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS  (MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born 17 Nov 1831 in Saint Just In Penwith, Cornwall, England and died Aft. 1901 in Cornwall.

   She married JAMES BAKER WILLIAMS 18 Aug 1853 in St Just In Penwith, Cornwall son of JOSEPH WILLIAMS and JANE BAKER.
 He was born 16 Oct 1831 in Newlyn, Saint Levan, Cornwall, England, and died Aft. 1901 in Cornwall.
   
Children of ELIZABETH NICHOLAS and JAMES WILLIAMS are:
   i.   NICHOLAS THOMAS7 WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1854, Penzance, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall (Source:   ii.   
               JAMES WILLIAMS, b. 1857, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Diggers Birth Registrations. - REG BALLARAT 1857 NO 14710); d. Bef. 1861, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia.
   iii.   JANE BAKER WILLIAMS, b. 1860, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Diggers Birth Registrations. - reg Ballarat no 7633); d. 1861, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia.
   iv.   JAMES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1861, Ballarat, Victoria, Australia; d. 1862, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia (Source: Digger death index.Digger death index. reg no 297 - 1862).
2.   v.   JAMES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1862, Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia; d. Bef. 1901.
3.   vi.   JANIE BAKER WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1864, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.
   vii.   CHARLES WILLIAMS, b. Abt. 1866, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.



NOTE - FAMILY WAS IN AUSTRALIA BY 1861 AND RETURNED TO CORNWALL BY 1871

Generation No. 2

2.   JAMES7 WILLIAMS (ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born Abt. 1862 in Ballarat,  Victoria, Australia and died Bef. 1901.  He married JANIE PASCOE EDDY , daughter of BENJAMIN EDDY and MARY PASCOE.  She was born 27 Nov 1863 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall


Children of JAMES WILLIAMS and JANIE EDDY are:
   i.   MARY PASCOE8 WILLIAMS, b. 1883, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.
   ii.   LEONARD WILLIAMS, b. 1889, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall.


3.   JANIE BAKER7 WILLIAMS (ELIZABETH6 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL5, WILLIAM NECKLES/4, MICHAEL3, WILLIAM NECKLOS/2, JOB1) was born Abt. 1864 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall
She married John Rowe, Dec 1887 in Penzance,
  He was born Abt. 1863 in St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall

   
Child of JANIE WILLIAMS and JOHN ROWE is:
i.   JEANETTE W8 ROWE, b. Abt. 1889, St Just  in Penwith, Cornwall



The following is the File from the Baker side.  Any assistance in filling out this tree would be appreciated

Descendants of James Baker

0 James BAKER b: Abt. 1746
+Blanch JAMES b: Abt. 1751
    1 James BAKER b: 20 Dec 1777
    +Susanna TONKIN b: Abt. 1771
        2 Jane Tonkin BAKER b: 18 Jan 1805
        +Joseph WILLIAMS b: 02 Feb 1808
             3 Samuel WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1830
              3 James Baker WILLIAMS b: 16 Oct 1831
               +Elizabeth NICHOLAS b: 17 Nov 1831    
  4 Nicholas Thomas WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1854
     4 James WILLIAMS b: 1857
     4 Jane Baker WILLIAMS b: 1860
     4 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1861
     4 James WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1862
     +Janie Pascoe EDDY b: 27 Nov 1863
        5 Mary Pascoe WILLIAMS b: 1883
                     5 Leonard WILLIAMS b: 1889
     4 Janie BAKER WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1864
     +John ROWE b: Abt. 1863
                     5 Jeanette W ROWE b: Abt. 1889
     4 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1866
             3 Ann WILLIAMS b: 19 Jun 1837
             3 Charles WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1837
       2 James BAKER b: 22 Feb 1807
       +ELIZABETH NICHOLLS b: Abt. 1811
              3 SUSANNAH BAKER b: 1838
             +SAMUEL WARREN CARTER b: Abt. 1830
                   4 Samuel CARTER b: Abt. 1868
                   4 Susan CARTER b: Abt. 1869
               3 JANE TONKIN BAKER b: 1846
               +John Nichols BECKERLEGG/BECKERLEG b: 1841
                    4 JOHN JAMES BECKERLEGG b: 1870
                    4 WILLIAM BECKERLEGG b: 1872
                    4 MARY BECKERLEGG b: 1874
                     4 JANE T. BECKERLEGG b: 1876
                     4 RICHARD H. BECKERLEGG b: 1879
                     +MARY L THOMAS
                      4 SUSAN CARTER BECKERLEGG b: 1880
                      4 ELIZA/Elizabeth A BECKERLEGG b: 1882
                       4 SARAH N BECKERLEG b: 1886
                      4 GERTRUDE BECKERLEG b: 1890
                  3 MARY BAKER b: 1848
                  +William John NICHOLLS
                  3 James BAKER b: 1851
                  +Emma WARREN
                       4 William W BAKER b: Abt. 1873
                      4 Blanch M BAKER b: Abt. 1884
                      4 James BAKER b: Abt. 1890
             2 Blanch BAKER b: 01 Apr 1810
              +Thomas GUBBS
                    3 Susanna Baker GUBBS b: Abt. 1837
  1 Mary BAKER b: 14 Jan 1776
  +Johan KOWLEWSKI b: 1761

Cheers,

Meredith

Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Pharoahsgal on Tuesday 17 August 10 00:24 BST (UK)
Thanks for that  - will be using some of this to flesh out my family tree if thats ok - Nicholls Beckerlegge features in the tree I am researching - the line goes from his brother to the fmaily i am looking at
Regards
sarah
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Mc Millian on Tuesday 15 February 11 08:38 GMT (UK)
Hello, I am interested in John Rowe b. 1863 St Just Cornwall,married Janie Williams 1887 Penzance. I have been searching for John Rowe for many years,Do you know the names of his parents. If they were William Rowe & Mary Ann Grenfell then I have the right one. William Rowe died 1866 and Mary Ann Grenfell/Rowe remarried and came to New Zealand with her three children. Mary, John & Margaret Wallis Rowe. Mary Rowe was my Great Grandmother so I would be very interested to know if you have further data on this family.I have a photo of Mary Ann Rowe, one of Mary Rowe.
Look forward to hearing from you.

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Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Mc Millian on Tuesday 19 July 11 08:25 BST (UK)
If this is the right family connection it would be lovely to find any family members that can give more details of their ancestors as we have nothing on this side of the Rowe/Grenfell family and would hopefully complete this side of the family.
Kind regards.
Marie Hayes.
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall
Post by: Mc Millian on Tuesday 19 July 11 08:30 BST (UK)
John Rowe.
I have a photo of his mother Mary Anne Grenfell/Rowe/Spense and his sister(my Great Grandmother) Mary Rowe/Maurice/Reynolds. Not sure if another photo is of Margaret Wallis Rowe or if it is his other sister Mary. It was in a locket that Mary Ann wore all the time. The photo of Mary Ann Grenfell was saved from a fire so we are very fortunate to have it.
Marie
Title: Re: Mary BAKER - Newlyn, Cornwall KLISKEY & LANYON
Post by: rdblair on Tuesday 19 February 13 10:18 GMT (UK)
I am interested in making contact with those persons who posted on this subject and who had the surnames Klisley and Lanyon in their family. The postings were made 5 years ago (2008).
I am interested in William Frederick Lanyon in particular as I think he is related to me.