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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: C_Bishop on Monday 02 July 07 05:00 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I don't know if this is really the right place to put this but its an aussie cert so....
Can anyone make out what the last 2 columns say? I brought this cert mainly for the marriage and children info yet cannot really make out what it all says. Looks to me as though he had 2 marriages. Can see only a few of the childrens names.
Any help would be appreciated thank you.
Cheers
Cat
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Hi Cat,
Yes, 2 marriages. Here's what it looks like to me:
Marriages:
[1] Footscray, 31 years, to Elizabeth Jane CROSS
2nd marriage, 41 years, to Daisy Evelyn RIPPON
Children from marriage 1:
John Lawson 32 years
Thomas Harold deceased
Bessie 30 years
Nellie deceased
George ?Hope? 27 years
Children from marriage 2:
Charles Frederick 22 years
Enid Evelyn 19 years
Alfred Lawson deceased
Alice 15 years
Cheers
Prue
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You beat me Prue!......but that is how I read it as well.
All the best,
Magoo
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Thanks!
I started to panic when i saw it! It was the only info i wanted and no matter how i played with it (printing, zooming) couldn't make out most of it!
Now time to hunt down all the children and wives!!
Cheers
Cat ;D
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NAA, as always has been a help here.
First there are several documents relating to application for registration of a patent for a 'flexible barrier for starting horse races' lodged by John Lawson Johnstone.
Secondly a ww2 enlistment for the navy digitised for one Alan Thomas Johnstone who's Next of Kin is clearly written as Father John HOPE Johnstone. He was born in1922 when father was in his early 20's.
Sue
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Hi Sue
Thanks for that, i've just been on there, found George Hope Johnstone's miltary enlistment, he enlisted at age 15 and was caught out so i've been busy reading all 49 pages! Had a few of John Lawson Johnstone handwritten letters, fasinating reads!
Will now check out those you found!
Thanks
Cat :)
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Some deaths ...
*JOHNSTONE Enid Evelyn/ father Johnstone Jno Lawson/ mother Darcy (sic) Evelyn RIPPON/ died at E MELB/ age 85/ year 1944/ reference no 1529
*JOHNSTONE Charles Fredk/ John Lawson/ Daisy Evelyn RIPPON/ KEW/ 5 (sic)/ 1950/ #12383
*BAIRD Alice/ Johnstone John/ Baisy (sic) Evelyn/ PRAH/ 72/ 1983/ #28019
*JOHNSTONE Daisy Evelyn/ Rippen Jno/ Flora NIEMAN/ FCRAY/ 44/ 1924/ #9851
*JOHNSTONE John Lawson/ John Lawson/ Jane Elizabeth CROSS/ LEON/ 75/ 1971/ #1843
*JOHNSTONE George Hope/ John Lawson/ Elizabeth CROSS/ FOOT/ 72/ 1972/ #11452
JAP
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Thanks for that Jap.
Cassie (Cando) also did a look up for me,
The Alice Baird record is fantastic thank you. ;D
Appreciate the look up!
Cheers
Cat
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Thanks for that Jap.
Cassie (Cando) also did a look up for me, ...
Hi Cat,
I like to see lookups posted on the thread - saves duplication of effort and helps if others are looking for the same family ;D
JAP
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Hello there
a couple of number's for the (deceased) deaths
Thomas Harold died in 1906 reg no 11318 williamstown
Alfred Lawson died 1910 regno 8984 Footscray
regards Jenn
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Although the death cert says Johnstone with an 'e' I have John Lawsons parents spelt Johnston.
Charles George Johnston married Ellen Jones in 1858 cert number 1284
Children
Ellen Jane Johnston b. 1859 cert number 15946 place Vaughan
John Lawson Johnston b. 1862 cert number 8809 place Ingl
Charles Frederick Johnston b. 1867 cert number 23976 place Prahan
George William Johnston b. 1869 cert number 15480 place Emerald Hill
Frank Johnston b. 1873 cert number 9674 place Emerald Hill
Alfred Whiteman Johnston b. 1874 cert number 2327 place Emerald Hill
Ernest Albert Johnston b. 1876 cert number 2524 place Emerald Hill
Fanny Louisa Dud Johnston b. 1878 cert number 15701 place Emerald Hill
I'll follow on for you
Gaynor50
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John Lawson Johnstone married Elizabeth Jane Cross m. 1893 cert number 5633 place inglewood.
Elizabeth Jane Cross was born in 1863 cert number 2099 place Footscray to parents father John Cross and mother Betsy Goodfellow. Elizabeth died in 1902 cert number 9597 place Footscray and the age of 39 years.
Children of John the Elizabeth Jane are:
John Lawson Johnstone b. 1895 cert number 3606 place Footscray TWIN
Thomas Harold Johnstone b. 1895 cert number 3607 place Footscray TWIN
Bessie Johnstone b. 1897 cert number 11104 place Footscray
Ellen Jane Johnstone b. 1899 cert number 10547 place Footscray and died 1899 cert number 9514 place Footscray
George Hope Johnstone b. 1900 cert number 11081 place Footscray
Gaynor50
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Second Marriage
John Lawson Johnstone married Daisy Evelyn Rippon in 1904 cert number 1970 place Inglewood.
Children of that marriage were:
Charles Frederick Johnstone b. 1905 cert number 10572 place Footscray
Enid Evelyn Johnstone b. 1908 cert number 111405 place Footscray
Alfred Lawson Johnstone b. 1910 cert number 19402 place Footscray d. 1910 cert number 8984 place Footscray
Alice Johnstone b. 1911 cert number 28547 place Footscray
Gaynor50
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John Lawson Johnstone son John Lawson Johnstone d. 1971 cert number 1843 aged 75 years place Leon.
Bessie Johnstone married Bennett Joseph Joyce in 1939 cert number 2330 and she died under the name of Sault so must have married again d. 1985 cert number 05973 place Hawthorn aged 87 years.
George Hope Johnstone married Margaret Agnes Taylor in 1922 cert number 4910 - George died in 1972 cert number 11452 place Footscray at the age of 72 years.
2nd wife Daisy Evelyn d. 1924 cert number 9851 place Footscray at the age of 44 years. Her parents were father John Rippon and mother Flora Nieman.
Enid Evelyn Johnstone died 1944 cert number 1529 place East Melbourne at the age of 85 years.
Charles Frederick Johnstone died 1950 cert number 12383 place Kew at the age of 5 years.
Hope this helps you on your way
Gaynor50 ;
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Hi Cat,
Back in reply #1 on this thread, the children of John Lawson JOHNSTONE from his
second marriage (to Daisy Evelyn RIPPON) were listed from his 1927 death cert as:
Children from marriage 2:
Charles Frederick 22 years
Enid Evelyn 19 years
Alfred Lawson deceased
Alice 15 years
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Enid Evelyn Johnstone died 1944 cert number 1529 place East Melbourne at the age of 85 years.
Charles Frederick Johnstone died 1950 cert number 12383 place Kew at the age of 5 years.
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See my earlier post (reply #6) where I listed some deaths including: ...
*JOHNSTONE Charles Fredk/ John Lawson/ Daisy Evelyn RIPPON/ KEW/ 5 (sic)/ 1950/ #12383
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The 'sic' was to draw attention to what is obviously an error in the Victorian index -
Charles Frederick JOHNSTONE, son of John Lawson JOHNSTONE & Daisy Evelyn RIPPON,
would have been about 45 when he died.
There is obviously also an error in the Index re the age of Enid Evelyn JOHNSTONE.
I didn't notice this when I listed the death earlier: ...
*JOHNSTONE Enid Evelyn/ father Johnstone Jno Lawson/ mother Darcy (sic) Evelyn RIPPON/ died at E MELB/ age 85/ year 1944/ reference no 1529
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85 must be a transcription error for 35.
Cheers,
JAP
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Further to Ellen Jane Johnstone (nee Cross)
John Cross (father) married Bessie Goodfellow whom I believe came from Somerset England.
Their children were:
John Thomas Cross b. 1855 cert number 10255 place Sandridge
Eliza Ann Goodfellow Cross b. 1857 cert number 13826 place Melbourne
James George Cross b. 1860 cert number 662 place Footscray d. 1887 cert number13714 age of death 27 years place Footscray.
Elizabeth Jane Cross b. 1863 cert number 2099 place Footscray.
Bessie was spelt in many ways but she died Betsy Cross d. 1886 cert number 5473 age at death 65 years place Footscray. Bessie's parents were Thomas Goodfellow and mother Esther Bond.
I don't believe Thomas Goodfellow and wife Esther Bond came out from Somerset in England but I can find three children that came to Australia.
Thomas Goodfellow d. 1868 cert number 5131 aged 59 years. He was born in Somerset and his parent were list as Thomas Goodfellow and mother Esther Bond.
Maria Goodfellow married Jessie (Jesse) Geard I believe in Somerset. They had children:
John Geard b. 1853 cert number 193 place Collingwood
Thomas Charles Geard d. 1854 cert number 3752 age at death 5 years and born in Somerset
Samuel John Geard d. 1882 cert number 11715 age at death 32 years and died in Fitzroy North.
Maria Geard (nee Goodfellow) d. 1873 cert number 6629 age at death 64 years and born in Somerset England.
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Jesse Geard remarried Maria Hall m. 1875 cert number 778 but she died in 1885 cert number 1402 age at death 67 years place North Fitzroy.
Jesse Geard remarried for the third time to Annie Maria Bird m. 1886 cert number 6988 place Montague. They had one child I could find who was Naomi Geard b. 1887 cert number 3004 place Fitzroy, Naomi married Edward Bateman Saddington m. 1912 cert number 5301 place Fitzroy.
Jessie Saddington (nee Geard) d. 1964 cert number 20747 age at death 77 years place Fitzroy.
Edward Bateman Saddinton d. 1959 cert number 16308 age at death 86 years place Hawthorn. His parent were listed as Samuel Saddington and mother Sarah Ann Mays
Jesse Geard died in 1905 cert number 12835 age at death 86 years place Hawthorn and his father is listed only and his name is Thomas Geard.
Gaynor50
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Interesting website for your family.
http://www.westcountrygenealogy.com/ses/wincanton/1850Hunts.htm
Located a Jesse Geard and very close to them Goodfellows in Somerset.
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Wow, lots of posts! Thanks everyone!
I have just made contact with someone related to Daisy Rippon, Daisy's sister was this lady's grandmother. Apparently she is very happy to share all she knows, which is fantastic. She has knowledge of Daisy's marriage to John and of their children, she did mention that Alice born 1911 actually died a young age.
Yes JAP there seems a strange trend for this family concerning there Johnston/e name. Seems John Lawson was born as Johnstone, yet his parents records refer mainly to Johnston. I think its quite common with this name. It also happens further back in this line.
Thanks Gaynor for all of that! I'm kinda speechless! You've discovered alot! You are very good at this! Thank you very much! Will have a look at that site!
Thanks All!
Cat :)
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hello there.
I have a friend who would like to contact you about your family, but he is not familiar with how to use this forum. I wonder if you would be interested for him to contact you off list. Would you consider giving me your email address to pass on to him. Thank you.
Val Watson, Brisbane, Australia.
ps Did you get a good transcription of the certificate you put on here. (last two columns.???)
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Val, you need to make a couple more posts then you will be able to send a Private message to C_Bishop. Can't say that I have noticed C_Bishop recently - on the Australia board, anyway.
Judith
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hello there.
I have a friend who would like to contact you about your family, but he is not familiar with how to use this forum. I wonder if you would be interested for him to contact you off list. Would you consider giving me your email address to pass on to him. Thank you.
Val Watson, Brisbane, Australia.
ps Did you get a good transcription of the certificate you put on here. (last two columns.???)
John Lawson Johnstone son John Lawson Johnstone d. 1971 cert number 1843 aged 75 years place Leon.
Bessie Johnstone married Bennett Joseph Joyce in 1939 cert number 2330 and she died under the name of Sault so must have married again d. 1985 cert number 05973 place Hawthorn aged 87 years.
George Hope Johnstone married Margaret Agnes Taylor in 1922 cert number 4910 - George died in 1972 cert number 11452 place Footscray at the age of 72 years.
2nd wife Daisy Evelyn d. 1924 cert number 9851 place Footscray at the age of 44 years. Her parents were father John Rippon and mother Flora Nieman.
Enid Evelyn Johnstone died 1944 cert number 1529 place East Melbourne at the age of 85 years.
Charles Frederick Johnstone died 1950 cert number 12383 place Kew at the age of 5 years.
Hope this helps you on your way
Gaynor50 ;
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Bessie Johnstone b 30/3/1897 married Dougal McDougal Hardingham who died 10/3/1942 aged 48 at footscray victoria.
Bessie then married Gordon Sault ?47-52
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to all interested in John Lawson Johnstone jn. A comprehensive search of his predecesors is available. Kevnanw