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Title: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Friday 29 June 07 22:22 BST (UK): Hi, I am doing some research for my Brother in Law - Robert Gray from Brighton, Sussex. He has asked me to research his parent's tree but I am having difficulty locating the families. Any help would be appreciated.

His Father was Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford, d. Abt. Jan 1983 Brighton. m. Abt. 1937 Ivy Constance May Coulson b. 1910 Cambridge d. Feb 1988 Brighton.
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: wozzle on Friday 29 June 07 23:35 BST (UK): It would help you if you could get Frederick Ellis Gray's birth certificate. You would then be able to find his parents names and then work your way back to the 1901 census. And through the 1901 census you could then go further back.
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: tazzie on Friday 29 June 07 23:49 BST (UK): Hi

Have looked up his death record Jan 1983.
Date of birth is given as 30 July 1911.
A birth for 3rd q 1911 lists ...Frederick E Gray
mmn Montague
district Wycombe
vol 3a page 1911.

Tazzie
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: wozzle on Saturday 30 June 07 00:24 BST (UK): possible marriage FREDERICK GRAY 1907 at WYCOMBE QTR.JAN/FEB/MAR. VOLUME 3A PAGE 1156.
COUNTY, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE
On the same page as Frederick Gray is Agnes Alice Montague.
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: wozzle on Saturday 30 June 07 01:01 BST (UK): Could only find one Agnes Montague living in High Wycombe in 1901 that would fit the bill.

1901 CENSUS RG13/1347/91/5.
James Montague age 49 Born Buckinghamshire occ. working on railway
Charlotte Montague age 45 Born Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Montague age 20 Born Camberwell London
John Montague age 18 Born Camberwell London occ. painter
Agnes Montague age 16 Born Camberwell London occ. domestic servant
James Montague age 14 Holborn London occ. bakers assistant
Joseph Montague age 12 Born Holborn London
Alfred Montague age 9 Born High Wycombe.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK YOUR WAY BACK FROM THIS SIDE OF THE GRAY-MONTAGUE FAMILY (if this is the right agnes montague).
THE OTHER SIDE IS GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Saturday 30 June 07 05:02 BST (UK): Quote from: wozzle on Saturday 30 June 07 01:01 BST (UK)
Could only find one Agnes Montague living in High Wycombe in 1901 that would fit the bill.

1901 CENSUS RG13/1347/91/5.
James Montague age 49 Born Buckinghamshire occ. working on railway
Charlotte Montague age 45 Born Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Montague age 20 Born Camberwell London
John Montague age 18 Born Camberwell London occ. painter
Agnes Montague age 16 Born Camberwell London occ. domestic servant
James Montague age 14 Holborn London occ. bakers assistant
Joseph Montague age 12 Born Holborn London
Alfred Montague age 9 Born High Wycombe.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK YOUR WAY BACK FROM THIS SIDE OF THE GRAY-MONTAGUE FAMILY (if this is the right agnes montague).
THE OTHER SIDE IS GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT

??? Tazzie was talking about his birth - Montague is a district. Please read original message.

Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Saturday 30 June 07 05:05 BST (UK): Quote from: tazzie on Friday 29 June 07 23:49 BST (UK)

Hi

Have looked up his death record Jan 1983.
Date of birth is given as 30 July 1911.
A birth for 3rd q 1911 lists ...Frederick E Gray
mmn Montague
district Wycombe
vol 3a page 1911.

Tazzie

Thanks Tazzie

I just cannot understand why I could not find him. I tried all the usual sites - free BMD, familysearch etc. - to no avail. Where did you get this information from please?

Regards

Clive
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Saturday 30 June 07 05:18 BST (UK): Quote from: wozzle on Saturday 30 June 07 00:24 BST (UK)
possible marriage FREDERICK GRAY 1907 at WYCOMBE QTR.JAN/FEB/MAR. VOLUME 3A PAGE 1156.
COUNTY, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE
On the same page as Frederick Gray is Agnes Alice Montague.

Ahhh! now I get it! your talking about his parents - I need a brain implant! ;D

Thanks Sorry about the confusion :)

Clive
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Saturday 30 June 07 06:51 BST (UK): Thanks for your help on this guys.

I cannot understand what I did wrong here. I inputed the data correctly on both Ancestry & free BMD and nothing came up ???

I am still having trouble with tracking down his marriage to Ivy Coulson in Abt. 1937. I have expanded it to 20 years and tried Soundex and nothing happens.
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: tazzie on Saturday 30 June 07 08:35 BST (UK): Hi....

I found it through the free searches on Ancestry. You have to go quater by quarter and sometimes its a trawl. I looked up his death and as you say was Jan 1983 q1. That lists date of birth as 30 July 1911.
Under 3rd q 1911 the only Frederick E Gray had a mothers maiden name of Montague. The district is Wycombe.
Wozzel then found a possible for his parents marriage to give some leads.

A guide for the marriage of Frederick to Ivy @ 1937 would be when was first child born.

I will start to look for you.

Tazzie
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: tazzie on Saturday 30 June 07 09:01 BST (UK): Hi

Found the marriage 1937

Frederick Gray m Constance Coulson in Brighton q2 1937.

If you order the cert it will confirm their fathers names.

Vol 2b page 565.
She was married as Constance not Ivy Constance.

General searches on both ancestry or freebmd will not bring up info for this date only up to @1915.

Tazzie
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Saturday 30 June 07 09:07 BST (UK): Quote from: tazzie on Saturday 30 June 07 09:01 BST (UK)
Hi

Found the marriage 1937

Frederick Gray m Constance Coulson in Brighton q2 1937.

If you order the cert it will confirm their fathers names.

Vol 2b page 565.
She was married as Constance not Ivy Constance.

General searches on both ancestry or freebmd will not bring up info for this date only up to @1915.

Tazzie

Thanks Tazzie
I have just been told that -
"If you check the June quarter 1937 against Gray you'll find Frederick married Coulson in Brighton registration district 2 b 565 - Ivy is listed as Constance Coulson not Ivy."

Thanks again

Regards

Clive
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: tazzie on Saturday 30 June 07 09:14 BST (UK): Hi Clive .....

Happy to help. Good luck...

Tazzie :)
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: cguil_uk on Monday 16 July 07 14:32 BST (UK): This thread is continued on

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=241560.msg1337232

Regards

Clive
Title: Re: Frederick Ellis Gray b. Abt. 1915, Oxford
Post by: jlffisher on Monday 28 April 14 22:21 BST (UK): Hello,
I have recently come about some information after my grandad came into inheritance.

Frederick Ellis Gray -Married- Agnes Alice Montague
They had 2 children
Ruby Gray and Walter Gray
Ruby had a daughter called Patricia Harvey
Walter had a son named Brian Walter Gray, and a Daughter Marlyn Gray

Anyone else have any more information??

Jessica

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