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Hello has anyone got access to above PR's Please.
I am trying to find a baptism for Robert Smith born 1803/4 Gt Haseley cannot find it on IGI or anywhere else.
With Thanks Alan.
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Bad news, I'm afraid.
I searched Gt Haseley PRs between 1790 and 1810. As you would probably expect, there are lots of Smith baptisms - but no Robert.
Jill
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I had a quick look at some neighbouring parishes to Gt Haseley.
It's not exactly the right time but there's a Robert baptised in Stoke Talmage. Details-
Jan 6 1809 Robert & Richard, twin sons of Wm & Alice of Pyrton parish.
Jill
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Hi Jill
Yes it is a real pain Robert Married in Great Haseley had all his children there and is buried there all his children have the names of the Smiths back to 1695 but i can not pin down who his Parents are he was my 3 times Great Grandfather.
I will have to start looking in Great Milton now for another dead end. With Thanks Alan.
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Hi Jill
Me again i have just been looking at the map Pyrton is only about 5 miles away from Gt Haseley, are there anymore children listed for William in Pyrton just a thought he could have been baptised later on than what he says on censuses as to his birth date Regards Alan.
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Just to save you time - I'd already checked Great Milton baptisms for Robert, without any luck.
I've just seen your latest post. I've found Robert & Diana's marriage in Gt Haseley in 1827 and found the baptisms for their first children - twins called William & John. I'd say that the fact that one of them is called William and the fact that twins run in the family would point to the baptism in Stoke Talmage to William & Alice being the right one. I'd like to bet that John is probably the name of Diana's father!
The other children baptised to William & Alice in Stoke Talmage are:
June 27 1784 John
Oct 9 1785 Nanny
Feb 27 1787 Thomas
Mar 22 1789 Alice
Aug 1 1790 Martha
Aug 25 1794 Joseph & James, twin sons
Oct 12 1795 James
Dec 11 1796 William
July 4 1798 Robert
Aug 14 1799 Hannah
Oct 31 1800 Phoebe
Apr 20 1802 Lucy
May 1 1803 Isaac
Nov 10 1805 Susanna
Jan 6 1809 Robert & Richard, twin sons (first mention of 'Pyrton parish')
Phew! There are so many children, I was beginning to think that there might be 2 William & Alice Smiths having children at the same time, but they all seem to fit in timewise!! :o
There are no burials to be found in Stoke Talmage for the first James & Robert - perhaps they were buried in Pyrton.Neither is there any sign of William & Alice's marriage there.
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Hi Jill
I think that we have got him, he probably gave the wrong age when he married Diana he would have still been classed as a minor under 21 yrs old when he married i have a feeling that Roberts son Thomas had twins also i will have to check the birth records for St Mary Magdaline Oxford he had 2 Daughters Jane and Sarah born 1862.
Jill you are a Gem Alan.
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Hi Jill me again could you please if you have the time do me a list of Robert and Diana's childrens baptisms, there is another child in my list for this couple born before Marr named Priscilla another reason for marrying at a young age.
Found the Marr for William/Alice 1783 Pyrton does not give a date on IGI.
Many Thanks Alan.
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Hi,
Robert Smith married Diana Wade in Great Haseley on Nov 5 1827 ( she made her mark) Witnesses: Richard Shrimpton ( a regular witness ) & John Allen.
Their children:
(Jan 15 1826 Priscilla Wade, baseborn daughter of Diana)
July 13 1828 William & John, sons of Robert, a labourer & Diana
Sep 12 1830 Joseph
Nov 18 1832 Thomas
July 12 1835 James
Apr 2 1837 Sarah
Nov 3 1839 Mary
Dec 26 1841 Henry
Apr 12 1846 Charles
Jan 21 1849 Richard
Not quite so many this time!
William Smith married Alice Ravening in Pyrton on Dec 4 1783 - both made their mark. Witnesses: Joseph Wiggins ( a regular witness ) & Benjamin Theadwell.
Incidentally, those children of theirs who died WERE buried in Pyrton - March 6 1796 James , 3 months and July 9 1798 Robert, a new born infant.
Jill
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Many Thanks Jill
A lot of Roberts Childrens names match the Stoke Talmage Family. I can't get over the fact that William/Alice had seventeen children a new record on my tree13 before this.
Pity it did not say on Baptism who father was for Priscilla, she goes by name of Smith on all Census and Married as Smith, Robert would only have been 17 yrs old when she was born.
I have looked on 1841/51 censuses for children of Alice/Will
only found 3 a lot must have died.
Best Wishes Alan.
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Sorry to butt in (Hi Jill) my interest is in Alice Ravening. I have a note of the marriage - but wondered if there was any more info on her family? Richard Ravening b 1759 presumably at Stoke Talmage or Clare could possibly be a brother?
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Hi Alan and others.
I believe that Robert SMITH (one of 9 children of Thomas and Lydia born at Great Hasely) is the brother of my ancestor Mary Ann .
I hope you are still contactable , as your post is 3 years old!
Kaoota
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Hi There
I am the Alan who you refer to, Who are Thomas & Lydia?.
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Thomas SMITH and Lydia HARRISON married at Great Hasely in 1795 and had 4 ( not 9) children: John , Jane , Mary Ann, Robert. Mary Ann married in Bucks in 1824. I haven't found a birth for Thomas, but I think Lydia was from Duston, Northants. Smith is a VERY hard to research and I am now hopeful of getting them sorted out!
A bit off- topic, but I see that William Smith of Pyrton had cow-pox 3 times between 1780 and 1794!
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Hi There Kaoota
As you know from reading this thread that I was looking for the Birth/Baptism of Robert.
The only one found in the transcripts for the area was the one I have got listed, you say that is not right he is the son of Thomas and Lydia, OK I am listening.
Have you got any baptism /births for Robert that i don't know about or any other info that is relevent if so I am very intrested because as you say the Smiths are very difficult to pin down.
Regards Alan.
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No I don't say that is not right.What I said was that I believed Robert to be the brother of my ancestor . Children in my Smith family were born in 1795, 1798 and 1800 and there are baptisms for them. It was not uncommon ( but very annoying for us) for parents to omit to baptise one or more of their children.
Great Hasely today is very small.....I find it hard to believe that it was ever very big... so what was the likelihood of it having more than one extended family with the same name .. even if it was Smith! So the parents of Robert may well be Thomas and Lydia. I'm sorry if I misunderstood and took it that looking for a birth or baptism also meant looking for parents. Do you definitely know the parents?
If you are looking for them...and don't think they are Thomas and Lydia. The IGI has a Robert Smith
born 21 April 1803 and baptised 22 May 1803 at Chesham, Bucks... not too far away to Thomas and Hester (Stevens) I suppose you have seen it.
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Hi all,
I just wanted to add info about
Thomas Smith (born773 Great Haseley, Oxfordshire)
married (m29 May 1795 Haseley Great, Oxfordshire)
to Lydia Harrison (5 May 1772 Great Haseley, Oxfordshire).
One of Thomas and Lydia's children John Smith born 12 Jul 1795 Haseley Great, Oxfordshire) married Elizabeth Arnold (b 18 April 1794 Great Haseley, Oxfordshire).
Their first born also were twins so yes twins definately run in the Smith family.
I can confirm that John Smith sister Mary Buckingham.
John Smith had his twins
1816 Thomas and Susannah in Great Haseley and his following children in Walington, Oxfordshire.
1817 Charlotte
1821 William
1823 Andrew
1826 George
1828 Eliza
1832 Harriet
John Smith, eldest child of Thomas and Lydia was born,1795 and died in 1877 (in Oatlands Tasmania, Australia.) His son George also died there too as they came together in 1849.
Hope that fills some gaps for some. :) :)
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Name
Lydia Harrison
Mother
Ann Harrison
Father
Thos Harrison
Baptism
5 May 1772 Haseley Great, Oxfordshire, England