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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wiltshire => England => Wiltshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: adee7 on Wednesday 27 June 07 23:21 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for information regarding:
MARTHA OSMOND, b. Tisbury, Wiltshire, no date known
Married Dec. 31, 1849 in Tisbury
NATHANIEL MOXHAM
Will appreciate help with this.
Regards, Kathleen
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Hi Adee
A possible on the 1841 census
James Osmond 40 ag lab Born in county
Mary " 30 "
Sarah " 15 "
Martha " 12 "
William " 10 "
Emma " 6 "
Betsy " 4 "
John " 2 "
living at East Tisbury, Tisbury, Wiltshire
H0107/ 1175/11
folio 20
page 35
ricky
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Thanks, Ricky,
If that's the Martha who married Moxham, she would have been 37 at time of marriage. I wonder if that could be her.
I should mention that their daughter Mary was born Feb 18, 1858.
Kathleen
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Hi Adee
She would have been about 20 if she married in 1849
ricky
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Hi Ricky,
Right you are. My math is usually better than that. We've had a hot, hot humid day today and now a thunder storm warning. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :)
Is there anything more about the Osmonds or Moxhams that you know of?
Regards, Kathleen
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Hi Adee
1851 census
Nathaniel Moxam head mar 24 lab Wilts East Tisbury
Martha " wife mar 24 "
Emily " dau u/m 2 "
Infant " son u/m 1 month "
living at Coarse Street, East Tisbury, Wiltshire
H0107/ 1849
folio 190
page 15
This time Moxham has the (H) missing
ricky
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Good work, Ricky,
Their daughter Mary, born Feb 18, 1858 was my Great-Grandmother. Is there a census that would show her?
Kathleen
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1861
Nathaniel Moxam head mar 37 lab railway Wilts Tisbury
Martha " wife mar 36 "
Emily " dau u/m 12 scholar East Tisbury
Dan? " son u/m 10 " "
Frank " son u/m 7 " "
Fanny " dau u/m 6 " "
Mary " dau u/m 4 "
Ellen " dau u/m 2 "
living at Coarse Street, East Tisbury, Wiltshire
Rg9/ 1321
folio 34
page 27
ricky
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Thanks for the information, Ricky.
Mary's daughter, my Grandmother, was also Mary, and now I know why her middle name was Ellen.
If it isn't an imposition, could you find Nathaniel's family information?
Regards, Kathleen
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1871
Nathaniel Moxham head wid 45 foreman railway Wilts Tisbury
Dan " son u/m 20 brickmaker "
Frank " son u/m 18 baker "
Fanny " dau u/m 16 housekeeper "
Mary " dau u/m 13 scholar "
Ellen " dau u/m 12 scholar "
living at Railway Cottage, Causeway, Wardour?, Tisbury, Wilts
Rg10/ 1963
folio 16
page 24
Looks Like Martha died
ricky
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Ricky,
Your help is much appreciated.
Kathleen
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1841
Sophia Moxam 35 female servant born in county
Jane " 15 "
Nathaniel " 15 "
Hannah " 13 "
Emanuel " 11 "
Emily " 9 "
Ellen " 7 "
Emelia " 5? "
living at East Tisbury, Tisbury, Wiltshire
H0107/ 1175/ 11
folio 11
page 16 & 17
ricky
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1881
Dan Moxham head mar 30 grocer Wilts Tisbury
Fanny " wife mar 30 Devon Barnstable
George Richard Moxham son u/m 3 "
Mary Moxham sister u/m 24 domestic servant Wilts Tisbury
Mary Jane Barrow sis in law u/m 26 " Devon Barnstable
living at Barnstable, Devon
Rg11/ 2243
folio 133
page 31
ricky
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I see a slight variation re Nathaniel's age, but that seems to be the norm in any of the census searches I've done, and all the other information seems OK.
Regards, Kathleen
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Is Tisbury near Portsea, Hampshire? The reason I ask is that Mary Moxham's first husband was John Wykes, who died shortly after their 1882 marriage, and she is later a resident of Portsea.
Kathleen
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Hi again,
Re Dan Moxham -- 1861 he was 10; 1871 he was 29; 1881 he was 30. A transcription error, do you think? The others seem to add up.
Kathleen
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Hi Adee
My fault for the 1871 hit the 9 instead of the 0 he is 20 have changed the posting :-[
regards
ricky
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Hi Kathleen
Tisbury is about 5 miles north east of Shaftesbury whereas Porsea is on the coast close to Portsmouth - a good 50 miles south east. Perhaps she retired to the coast.
Cheers Dave
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Thanks for the info. Dave.
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
I have the Tisbury baptism and burial transcripts and had a look for Nathianel Moxham for you.
Nathaniel Moxam baptised 13th November 1825 son of Isaac and Sophia, lab, near Tisbury Mill
Siblings for Nathaniel
Jane Moxham baptised 12th October 1823, daughter of Isaac and Sophia , lab, near Tisbury Mill
Anna Maria Moxsam baptised 6th April 1828, daughter of Isaac and Sophia, lab, near mill
Edward Manuel Moxam baptised 18 July 1830, son of Isaac and Sophia, lab, nr mill
Emily Moxam baptised 23rd September 1832, daughter of Isaac and Sophia, lab, near mill
Ellen Moxam baptised 22nd March 1835, daughter of Isaac and Sophia, lab, near Mill
Baptism of Nathaniels father Isaac
Isaac Moxam baptised 14th September 1777 son of Isaac and Mary
Burial for Isaac
Isaac Moxham burial 17th November 1834, 57y, Mill Lane
Possible burial for Isaac the elder
Isaac Moxam burial 26th April 1830, 84y, workhouse
Possible burial for Isaacs mother Mary
Mary Moxham burial 17th June 1810, died 13th
There is no baptism for Isaac's father Isaac recorded in Tisbury.
There are quite a few Moxhams though so if there are any other names you need looking up let me know.
Did have a look for Martha Osmond and the only baptism was in 1808 which i thought was a bit early. There are lots of Osmonds though so let me know if there are any other names.
Hope this helps
Cathy
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Hi Cathy,
Thanks so much for your help. I'll go through this and check my records, then get back to you if I need more.
Regards, Kathleen
I see that you're new to Rootschat -- Welcome to the 'club'
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Hi Cathy,
In my records, I have Isaac Moxham (Nathaniel's father) born about 1786.
Is there a record showing this?
I will accept your kind offer and ask if there is a record for the parents of James Osmond, b. 1801 Tisbury who married Mary? b. about 1811 Tisbury? Their children: Sarah 1826, William 1831, Emma 1835, Betsy 1837, John 1839, and, of course, Martha 1829.
Thanks again,
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
Thankyou for the welcome. Yes i am new to Rootschat, thought i would give another site a try. Have had a look in the records and the only James Osmond was baptised 15 september 1811 baseborn son of Elenor Vine and Joseph Osmond. Sometimes male children seemed to have been baptised in th RC Chapel in Tisbury. I have had a family where all the girls were baptised in thechurch but not the boys.
None of the children of James and Mary are listed which makes me think they were all baptised in the RC Chapel and unfortunately i don't have those records.
In 1835 when Tisbury was to be split into 3 parishes ie: East Tisbury, West Tisbury and Wardour a census was taken. I have a copy of this from WFHS and here are your Moxhams
Sophia married, Charles son, Jane dau, Nathaniel son, Anna dau, Emanuel son, Emily day, (Wd)
Sophia was widowed by 1835 but it does tell you in the accomapying info that sometimes dead was written after a name when in fact they were still alive! And that some people are entered more than once.
The letters in brackets are the parish they were in. Wd being Wardour.
Your Osmonds
James, Mary wife, Sarah dau, Martha dau, William son, Emma dau (E)
Tomorrow i have a bit more time so i will list all the Moxhams and Osmonds in the census so you will have them for future reference and they may tie in somewhere for you.
Hope this helps
Cathy
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Thanks Cathy,
I really appreciate your help with this.
Regards, Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
Forgot to mention the only baptism for Isaac was 1777
14 september 1777 isaac moxam son of isaac and mary.
Tomorrow will list the siblings of isaac, there was abrother william baptised in 1786 so maybe that is the one you have.
Messeage you tomorrow.
Cathy
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Okay, thanks again.
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Hi Kathleen
Here are all the Moxhams and Osmonds in the 1835 Tisbury census.
Moxam George, Jane wife, Morgan son (E)
Moxham Andrew 27, Elizabeth wife 27, Jane dau 7, William son 5, Sarah dau 4, Mary dau 2, Emma 6m (W)
Moxham Edward, Rachael wife, Mary dau (E)
Moxham James dead see Mary Mead (Wd)
Moxham James transport (W)
Moxham Jane and 5 children residing at Nunney, Somerset (Wd)
Moxham Jane's illeg child residing at Salisbury (Wd)
Moxham John, Elizabeth wife dead, Elizabeth dau (E)
Moxham John, Emma wife, Louisa dau, Frederick son, Dellavere dau, William henry son (E)
Moxham Sophia married, Charles son, Jane dau, Nathaniel son, Anna dau, Emanuel son, Emily dau (Wd)
Moxham William, wife and 6 children residing at Salisbury (Wd)
Osmond George, Eliza wife, Eliza dau, Emily dau, Frederick son, Caroline dau, Henry son, Edwin son, Smart Rhoda (Wd)
Osmond James, Mary wife, Sarah dau, William son, Emma dau (E)
Osmond Thomas, Jane, Elizabeth, Osmond Thomas son of James (Wd)
Osmond widow and seven children residing in London (W)
Osmond William dead, Mary wife dead. Poorhouse
Cathy
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Here is the baptism for Isaac Moxham in 1777 with possiblesiblings
John Moxham baptised22 January1775 son of Isaac and Mary
ISAAC MOXAM baptised14 September 1777 son of Isaac and Mary
Mary Mockson baptised 13 October 1779 dau of Issac and Mary
Wm Mocksim baptised 30April 1786 son of Isaac and Mary
Js Moxim baptised 17 January 1789 son of Isaac and Mary
Stephen Moxom baptised 16 August 1795 son of Isaac and Mary
Other Moxham baptisms in Tisbury
Elizabeth Moxam baptised 16th November 1800 dau of John and Elizabeth
John Moxham baptised 7 August 1803 son of John and Elizabeth
Anna Moxham baptised 28 September 1806 dau of John and Elizabeth
Edward Moxham baptised 27 December 1808 son of John and Elizabeth
George Moxham baptsied 24 March 1811 son of John and Elizabeth (BT George and Elizabeth)
Eliza Moxham baptised 8 June 1817 dau of John and Elizabeth, lab, Quarry
Elizabeth Moxham baptised 26 July 1818 dau of James and Jane. lab, Church St
William Moxham baptised 11 Jan 1824 baseborn son of Marha Mould, Church St and John Moxham
Anne Moxham baptised 30 April 1830 dau of Jesse and Charlotte, lab, New Town
William Moxham baptised 19 April 1829 son of Andrew and elizth, lab, N Town
Sarah Moxam baptised 26 Septeber 1830 dau of Andrew and Elizabeth, lab, N Town
Mary Moxam baptised 22 April 1832 dau of Andrew and Elizabeth, lab, N Town
De la Revier Moxam baptied 22 April 1832 son of John and emma, glazier, Duck St
Emma Moxam baptised 20 April 1834 dau of Andrew and Elizabeth, lab, N Town
Mary Moxham baptised 14 September 1834 dau of Edward and Rachel, lab, Duck St
James Moxam baptised 15 October 1836 son of Edward and Rachel, lab, Duck St
Henry Moxam baptised 24 March 1837 son Luiza, Whouse
William Henry Moxam baptised 25 June 1837 son of John and Emma, plumber, Duck St, born 18 November 1833
Charles Leonard Moxam baptised 25 June 1837, son of John and emma, plumber, Duck St, born 6 February 1836
Cathy
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Moxham burials in Tisbury
Stephen Moxham burial 7 July 1803, pauper d 4th
Mary Moxham burial 17 June 1810, d 13th
John Moxham burial 13 August 1815, 13, Tisbury Row
Jane Moxham burial 16 May 1816, 32, Tisbury RowSarah Moxam burial 18 July 1818 inf Church St
Charles Thomas Moxam burial 31 December 1829, inf Duck St
Isaac Moxam burial 26 April 1826, 84, workhouse
Isaac Moxham burial 17 November 1834, 57 Mill Lane
Elth Moxam burial 11 January 1837, 63 Quarry
Hope some of this helps
Cathy
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Cathy,
I really appreciate your help with this. It's amazing isn't it how many variations in spelling there are? Who would have guessed at some of them?
Regards, Kathleen
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Hi Adee
We may be related. My 3xgreat grandfather was James Osmond of East Tisbury. His son William moved to north wiltshire and my family descends from him.
James aged more quickly than is usual in 1841 census he was recorded as 40, in 1851 as 56 and by 1861 was said to be 70. His wife is always shown as 10 years younger. If the last age is right, he could possibly be the son of James and Ann Osmond baptised in Tisbury on 21 August 1791.
James senior is possibly the son of John and Jenny Osmond who was baptised in Tisbury on 10 January 1763. I'd like to be able to check with some other records because this now feels uncertain
Anyway thought you would be interested.
Best wishes
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Hello Seraphina and welcome to RootsChat.
Wouldn't it be great if we could prove a connection? I have
more work to do on this one, for sure, and exchanging
information on here would be a good way to do it.
Regards,
Kathleen
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James Osborn and his wife Mary are my 3xGreat Grandparents also. My line comes down from their daughter Martha. Hello cousin.
I don't understand the age discrepancies either.
1841 1851 1861
James 40 James 56 James 70
Mary 30 Mary 46 Mary 60
Kathleen
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Hi Seraphina
In response to my question about the ages on the Common Room board, Trish gave a clear explanation of how these were recorded.
See 'Changing Their Ages'. (I tried to link it to here but it didn't work.)
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
the information in the link was good - thank you. I think I've found James in the uk register of deaths index in 1864. The index doesn't give an age but I think I'll send for the certificate to see if it tells more. I'll let you know what I find out.
regards
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That would be great, thanks.
Kathleen
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Seraphina,
Thought I'd made a little progress, but I see that you have a different date of baptism.
England Baptisms 1700-1900
James Osmond
Residence Tisbury, Wiltshire, England
Christening Date 1795
Christening Place Tisbury, Wiltshire, England
Father James
UDE batch #C15914-1
Record Group England-VR
Film #1279432
Kathleen
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Hello everyone on this chat - I have been given the job of family tree maker and come across these posts. Ancient tho they are, they have given me loads of info so thank you all. Martha Moxham nee Osmond is my husbands 3rd Gt Grandma through hers and Nathaniels son Frank, and grand-daughter Mercy Amelia. She Married a Skeats, who is my husbands great grandad. It's really fascinating connecting all the bits together.
Does anyone know anything about Mercy Amelia? and the fact that she has a daughter called Ivy Handley Moxham before she married Charles Skeats?
Regards Suzan
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Hi Suzan & welcome to RootsChat
We've met before on another site :)
What do you want to know about Mercy Amelia (apart from the fact that she hated the name Mercy?) She was my grandmother.
Linda (Swinbank)
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Hi Linda - yes Ancestry
I'm after 2 things -
Ivy Handley Moxham... any clues to a father and I think I have a husband 'Dear' but not sure. Also, now I'm after Frank's sister Ellen. I have her at 22 living with Frank and Elizabeth (1881) but then lose her. There's a Marriage (1882) of an Ellen Moxham to James Henry Knight in Guildford (where frank was at the time) but also, in 1891 an Ellen Moxham is in Tisbury in a workhouse... Have you ever looked?
Also, since we last made contact I have followed Skeats's back from Charles and found the 'rich uncle' ;D from Pitters back to Pither and eventually Sirs Uvedales's
Suzan
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Ivy Handley Moxham
Father unknown, although she gives Charles Handley Moxham (deceased) Chef on her marriage certificate - probably ficticious! You were right about her marrying Charles Dear. I've updated the tree on Ancestry
Ivy was brought up by her grandparents Frank & Elizabeth Moxham and not as part of the Skeats family. She knew she was illegitimate and was very bitter about it, but I don't know when she was told.
Mercy Amelia was 'in service' when she got pregnant and the family story was that the butler did it, but there's no evidence.
I have pictures of Ivy & Charlie. If you would like copies send me your email address in a Private Message (don't post it here, against RC rules!) To send PM, just click on the green scrolly thing under my avatar at the left of this message :)
Linda
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I've only tracked Ellen Moxham to 1881 and you're way ahead of me with the Skeats family. I'll have a look on Ancestry and see what else you have posted :) :)
Linda
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Hi Everyone,
It's taken me a while but I've finally made a visit to the Wiltshire Record Office (highly recommended if you ever get the chance with friendly helpful staff and very good facilities) in search of the Osmonds of Tisbury.
I have been through the parish records and am now more puzzled than ever.
The "Osmond" children of James and Mary Osmond listed in the census appear to have been bapised under the surname of Davi(e)s. This includes all from Sarah Ann baptised July 4th 1824 to Betsey July 3rd 1836. Names and dates tie in exactly with Osmond family in 1835 Tisbury census and 1841 and 1851 national census. In the parish records the parents are listed as James and Mary Davi(e)s.
It's possible that James Davis died and his widow married James Osmond but the family is in the 1835 census as Osmond before Betsey was baptised in 1836 as a Davis.
I haven't found a death for James Davis in Tisbury.
I have found a marriage for James Davis and Mary Furnell both of this parish on 13 December 1823. Witnesses were William Osmond and James Mould. The entry is annotated with the words "Felices ter, et amplius" it seems to be good wishes though I haven't got exact translation yet.
I haven't found a marriage yet for James Osmond.
I do have James Osmond's death certificate now. He died on 4th February 1864 in East Tisbury of Tuberculosis of the brain. Mary Osmond registered on 6th February and was present at the death. James is said to be 71 and an agricultural labourer.
So more questions than answers. just to remind you my link to this family is via William Osmond (Davis) born in 1831 who was my 2x great grandfather.
Any thoughts on what to look at next?