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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: sandies99 on Wednesday 27 June 07 11:03 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
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I have had a look at the 1881 census but I can't see any mention of Salmon Inn, Horndean. There are 2 Inns mentioned at Ladykirk. One refers to the 'Casual Inn House' - UNINHABITED. Next to it is 'Inn', Ladykirk and the Innkeeper was James Moffatt 30 born England; Elizabeth Moffat, Innkeeper's wife, 29 born England; Adam H. Moffatt, Son, 7, born England; Elizabeth Moffatt, Daur, 2, born England.
So far I have only found 1 house with Horndean in the address: -
[New Horndean] Farm House, Ladykirk, Berwick, Scotland
John Webster, Head, Farmer, 74, born St Cyrus, Kincardine;
Wife, Agnes, 69, born St Cyrus;
Daur, Emma Duncan Webster, unm, 31, born St Cyrus;
Daur, Alice, 23, born St Cyrus;
Servant, Alicia, unm, born England;
Servant, Janet Shearlaw, unm, 17, born Ayton, Berwick;
Mother in law, Mary Carnegie, Widow, 95, born Logie Pert, Forfar, Fife;
Maybe I am missing something somewhere but I just can't see any other in Horndean so don't know if this is any help at all.
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Thanks for your reply. The problem seems to be that Horndean is such a small place, even today I think there are still only 12 houses there - and since the 1500's ceased to be a parish in its own right and became part of the parish of Ladykirk.
The Casual Inn House that you mentioned is a lovely name - but how can I prove where abouts in the parish of Ladykirk it actually was - if it is in Horndean or not.
I looked at the 1901 census - and also only found one reference to Horndean - which is strange. You have found more census information than I ever did.
I have even written to the National Library of Scotland - they cant find any record of the place.
I had an email from one man of 87 who still lives in Horndean, he actually remembers drinking there in 1939 - he couldnt tell me much - and because of his age I didnt feel inclined to pressure him further.
I am sure there must be information somewhere - maybe in trade directories of that era - but I just cant locate anything.
Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble - I will hold on to the information - and will be very grateful if you find anything else.
Thanks again,
Sandie
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My Great Grandfather was Innkeeper of the Salmon Inn, Ladykirk Berwickshire at the time of the 1871 Census. But I think they only lived there for about 2 years.
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Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
Southern Counties Register 1866: Trades for the Village of Horndean includes 2 Innkeepers but no names for Inns.
John Robertson and Sergeant Gillies are the Innkeepers.
Terry
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William Duncan was the innkeeper of Salmon Inn, Ladykirk in the 1871 Census, but within a couple of years he had become a policeman in Sunderland. Originally he had lived in Aberdeenshire.
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Greetings; I only joined today, hence more than two years behind your message. I lived in Horndean Bank, which is in the centre of the hamlet, from 1952 until I left to join the RAF in 1966. I believe the population was 18 when I lived there. Six of those were my family ie mother, father, brother, sister and aunt. The pub was long gone by the time we moved there; father and mother were non-drinkers so I know nothing about the Salmon Inn. Sorry.
Hello,
Can anyone offer any help - no matter how small or insignificant it might seem ? I am looking for any information on the Salmon Inn, which was in the small hamlet of Horndean in the parish of Ladykirk. I have found out that the inn closed down in 1945/46 following the closure of nearby Winfield aerodrome - a wartime RAF training station. I also know that the inn became a private dwelling house after that - and still is. What I would like to know is when the place first became an inn, who used to own it, does it appear on any census details, did licences have to be granted in that time period, does it appear in any old trade directories, and are there any old photographs available.
I have been researching my family history for a great many years, this is the first time I have ventured north of the border - and seem to have hit a brickwall.
Any help gratefully received,
Many thanks,
Sandie
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I don't know if this will help but my great great and then great grandmother were innkepers of the Salmon Inn in Norham which is just across the Tweed in Northumberland.Very close to Ladykirk. The inn has long disappeared and I am wondering if there is any connection with the inn at Horndean . My g ggrandmother came originally from the ladykirk area . Is the Salmon Inn a common name for a pub? This is all very vague. I know the Inn was running in Norham at the end of the 19th century.
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The private house that was originally The Salmon Inn is situated at the northern end of Horndean village
It is the first house on the right as you come in to the village from the Berwick to Kelso road
Very old maps show the property as "Inn"
See map here http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/place_page.jsp?p_id=22156
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I found the death of a relative of mine, Robert Clazie, in 1921 at "New Horndean". Does that mean there was an old Horndean, maybe located a short dstance away?
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I found the death of a relative of mine, Robert Clazie, in 1921 at "New Horndean". Does that mean there was an old Horndean, maybe located a short dstance away?
No, there was no 'old Horndean'.......New Horndean is a name of a farm...........Horndean was a village
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Unfortunately you will find that many modern internet maps put the name New Horndean beside the village instead of at the farm of that name which lies about half a mile to the north west of the village
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Ah, that makes perfect sense now! I didn't realize that Horndean was such a tiny fly-speck.
We had a record of a marriage at Horndean, 30 Jan 1701, Andrew Nickson & Mary Clasey. Horndean sounds too small to have ever had it's own church. How would a marriage happen there? Probably people went to Ladykirk for baptisms, marriages, funerals? Was there even a cemetery at Horndean? Where could records be found of deaths at that occured there?
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Yes, there was a church in Horndean village at one time. The site is on the east side of the village. There is also a burial ground which can be accessed via a public footpath which starts about 200 yards north of the village and travels east down a large field before turning south. The graveyard is about a mile from the village and was used until the 1800s
The footpath is marked on the map linked to my earlier post and the graveyard is at the green mark at the end of the path
It is said that over 100 folk lived in Horndean. Now there are about 25 or so
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when i lived in horndean in the 50's/60's there was only 18 people living there
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One new house was built about 8 years ago and another is currently under construction
Planning has been agreed for two more
The average age of the residents must have dropped by 20 or 30 years in the last 10 years
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the footpath that lead to the graveyard went through the property owned by my family and was called, then, the Fishermans Walk.
the pathway took you passed the graveyard down to the Tweed