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Hi, Can anybody help to solve the mystery of Rose Bessell.
Born Rose Virginia Bessell Sept qtr 1852 Lambeth (no cert yet)
Married Alfred James Rudgley 1871 St.James the Great Bethnal Green (Cert)
Father given as William Bessell Druggist
Witnesses G.Bessell & Elizabeth Bessell
1861 Census ?
1871 census Rose V Bessell age 18 born Southwark
Father John Fishmonger 44 born Hoxton *
Mother Rose 43 born Kingsland
Plus siblings
1881 census Rose Rudgley 28 born Shoreditch
1881 Edward J Bessell 54 Carman born Hoxton
Rose 53 born Kingsland
Plus siblings that more or less match 1871 * see John
1891 Census Rose Rudgley 38 born Southwark
1901 Census Clara Rudgley 48 born Homerton
To muddy the waters further there is a George & Elizabeth Bessell on the 1881 census his occupation is Packer for Druggist, Could this be the witnesses?
Jennifer
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1861
Only one Rose V showing father Edward J ( fishmonger ) and mother Rose A.
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There is a marriage qrt ending June 1849
Edward John Bessell
West London
Vol 2
Page 266
There is a possible spouse of Rose A Turner
Sometimes he called himself John and sometimes Edward
??? ???
Tricia
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I think you need to see that birth certificate
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Hi, Thank you for all your help.
Irret, Have you got a ref. for the 1861 census you have found please.
Jennifer
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No problem coming up. :)
Source RG9/314/86/14
1861 Surrey Southwark St Saviour Gravel Lane
Edward J Bessell head 34 fishmonger
Rosa A wife 33
Henry E son 10
Rose V daughter 8
Edwin C 9 ( could be 7)
Alfred W 5
Matilda 2
Arthur R 3 months
All born London Middlesex
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I think the witnesses to Rose's marriage are her brother George b.1849-1895 and his wife Elizabeth (Gill) Bessell
Brian
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Hello Brian, are you related or just browsing?
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer
My G GM was Caroline Bessell, 2nd G granddaughter of John George who was also Rose's 2nd G GF. Caroline's father was Mowbray Bessell b. 19 Sep 1803 Mitcham, Surrey d.9 May 1865, Wollongong, NSW and his father Capt Charles Bessell b. 1767 London d.23 May 1845 Peckham, London and his father was the above John George Bessell b.abt 1738 London d. Mar 1796 London Road, London. The family originated in Mitcham, Surrey where some of Capt Charles' offspring were born.
I do have details of the wider Bessell descendants if anyone needs further information.
Brian
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Hello Brian,
Do you have any information on Rose V?
I can not understand who her father was. Was it William a druggist,John a fishmonger or Edward?
Rose V was my maternal Gt.Gmother.
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer
In my tree I have Rose's father as Edward John Bessell b.1827 City Road, Hoxton, London he married Rose Anne Turner (b.1828 Kingston, Middlesex) 3 Apr 1849 St Bride's Fleet Street, London. Other Bessell researchers also have the same father. Edward and Rose had 10 children, do you have their names?
Rose and Alfred Rudgeley had 8 children, do you have their names?
I have Edward John's father, GF, G GF if you need them.
Regards
Brian
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Hi, I have eight children documented:-
Henry
Rose
Edwin
Alfred
Matilda
Arthur
Edward
Walter
I did not have any knowledge of a George and obviously one other?
Of the Rudgley's I am aware of :-
Rose c.1871
Alfred 1/2/1873 (my gt.gf) married Rosina Stevens
Walter c.1876
Eleanor c.1878
Annie Kathleen 4/8/1888 married Charles Henry Williams
If you can fill the gaps I would please to have any information.
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer
I have 10 childrfen for Edward and Rose:
George b. 1849 m. Elizabeth Gill 1870 Shoreditch 2nd qtr, he died 1895:
Elizabeth Rose b. 1871 d.1871 Shoreditch
Edward John b.3 May 1872 Shoreditch d. 1873 4th qtr Shoreditch
Ellen b. 9 Jan 1874 Hoxton London m. Walter Frederick Carter 1894 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
Ellen Elizabeth 1896 Bethnal Green
Frederick G 1899 do
Edward H b.1851 d. bef 1861 (not in census)
Hernry E b. 1851 London d. 1868 Islington Mar qtr
Rose Virginia b. 1852 Shoreditch Dec qtr married Alfred Rudgeley 1871 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
3 more children to those you listed:
Clara b. 1883 Bethnal Green
Eliza b. 1887 do
Edwin b. 1890 do
Edwin C b. 1854 Southwark, married Annie Abram (b. 1857 London City) 1879 Hackney 3rd qtr:
Arthur Lionel b. 1877 Mar qtr, d. 1st qtr Islington 1924
Alfred William b. 1856 Southwark Jun qtr.
Matilda b. 1859 Southwark Mar qtr d. 1868 Shoreditch Mar qtr
Arthur Robert b. 1861 Southwark Mar qtr died 1922 Dec qtr Shoreditch Married Charlotte M Lanceman 17 Apr 1881 St Thomas Parish Church, Bethnal Green, she died 1918. 4 children:
Charlotte J b. 1884 Bethnal Green
Alice Beatrice b. 12 Dec 1885 Shoreditch
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Hi Jennifer
I have 10 childrfen for Edward and Rose:
George b. 1849 m. Elizabeth Gill 1870 Shoreditch 2nd qtr, he died 1895:
Elizabeth Rose b. 1871 d.1871 Shoreditch
Edward John b.3 May 1872 Shoreditch d. 1873 4th qtr Shoreditch
Ellen b. 9 Jan 1874 Hoxton London m. Walter Frederick Carter 1894 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
Ellen Elizabeth 1896 Bethnal Green
Frederick G 1899 do
Edward H b.1851 d. bef 1861 (not in census)
Hernry E b. 1851 London d. 1868 Islington Mar qtr
Rose Virginia b. 1852 Shoreditch Dec qtr married Alfred Rudgeley 1871 Bethnal Green Dec qtr:
3 more children to those you listed:
Clara b. 1883 Bethnal Green
Eliza b. 1887 do
Edwin b. 1890 do
Edwin C b. 1854 Southwark, married Annie Abram (b. 1857 London City) 1879 Hackney 3rd qtr:
Arthur Lionel b. 1877 Mar qtr, d. 1st qtr Islington 1924
Alfred William b. 1856 Southwark Jun qtr.
Matilda b. 1859 Southwark Mar qtr d. 1868 Shoreditch Mar qtr
Arthur Robert b. 1861 Southwark Mar qtr died 1922 Dec qtr Shoreditch Married Charlotte M Lanceman 17 Apr 1881 St Thomas Parish Church, Bethnal Green, she died 1918. 4 children:
Charlotte J b. 1884 Bethnal Green
Alice Beatrice b. 12 Dec 1885 Shoreditch d.1940 m. Frederick Johnson 27 Aug 1905 St Pauls, Haggerston, London child: Jessie Dorothy b. 4 Nov 1914 Haggerston d. 2 Oct 1986 Harringay
Henry b. 1891 Shoreditch Mar qtr
Ruby b. 1900 Mar qtr Shoreditch
Edward John b.1863 Shoreditch m. Eliza Annie Cheese (b. 1866 3rd qtr Shoreditch) 1885 Jun qtr Bethnal Green.
8 children:
Edward John b. 1885 Hoxton d. 1924 London m. Unknown 1908 3rd qtr Hackney
Edwin Charles b. 1887 4th qtr Shoreditch m. Unknown 1910 4th qtr Hackney
Charles b. 1888 Shoreditch
George Henry b. 1889 4th qtr Shoreditch
Henry William b. 1892 Shoreditch m. Rose Brandon Jun 1911 Shoreditch
Valentine Ernest b. 1892 1st qtr Shoreditch
Percy Victor b. 1896 1st qtr /bethnal Green
Rose Florence b. 1900 3rd qtr Stoke Newington
Walter b. 1867 3rd qtr Shoreditch m. Emily Harvey (b. 1868 Newport, Essex) 1888 3rd qtr Bethnal Green,
4 children:
Emily b. 1889 Shoreditch
Walter b. 1891 3rd qtr Shoreditch
Henry George b. 1893 2nd qtr Shoreditch
Frederick John b. 1897 1st qtr Fulham.
Edward John's father was George Bessell b.1797 London m. Martha Jacobs (b. abt 1800, d.1847 Stepney 1st qtr) 30 Dec 1818 Christ Church, Greyfriar's, Newgate, London. 7 children:
Unknown male Bessell abt 1820
Charles Mowbray George b. 1821 London d. bef 1901 m. Grace Johnstone (b. 3 Aug
1812 Cripplegate) 5 Dec 1848 St Brides, Fleet St. 2 children:
Elizabeth Grace b. 12 May 1851 Holborn d. 1856 Hackney 1st
qtr
George b. 1859 Battersea m.Elizabeth Spencer
Jennifer~ if I continue typing will be here for hours as I have so many descendants of George and his father George that if I knew how to insert a report I could give you all the names ??email to you. See there is an 'insert image' so that might do the trick!
Brian (will return when I work it out!)
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Hi Mowbray Bessell postings, I am helping my friend research the Bessell family as Mowbray Bessell is her 3 x gr grandfather & would love to get any help with some info that you have on the family. Hope to hear from anyone, many thanks Lynette Crocker Australia