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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Aley on Sunday 24 June 07 06:00 BST (UK)
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Would like to find the place where WALTER ROSS was born. Birth date abt 1804 or 1809 in Inverness?
Walter married Catherine McDonald in 1848 in Petty. Would really love to have his parents names. I did find him on the 1851 - 1861 census. He had died before the 1871 census. Not sure where his is buried, maybe somewhere in Gollanfield, Inverness. Catherine was a tenant at the Brackley Farm in Gollanfield since their marriage.
Aley
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Hi Aley,
There are only 28 records all told for the death of a Walter ROSS between 1861 and 1871 on the (pay per view) ScotlandsPeople site at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Limiting the search to people born 1806 +/- 10 years (and including unrecorded ages because a proportion of the death indexes between 1855 and 1865 did not include ages though they are on the actual certificate) gets only 5 hits.
Refining the search further finds that just 1 of the records is in Petty, that it was in 1862, and that the person's age was 58.
If you download that certificate (and hoping that it is the right Walter) you should at least learn his parents' names - name and occupation of father, name and maiden surname of mother. That might lead you to further information.
JAP
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Hi again Aley,
You say you found Walter in 1851 and 1861. What was his birthplace on those censuses?
Given that your Walter ROSS married in Petty in 1848, there is a possibly interesting entry for a Walter ROSS in 1841 on FreeCEN.
Balenldrich, Petty/Nairn, Inverness-shire
SCT1841/106/ED 1/Folio 7/Page 3
ROSS Walter, 30, Farmer, born Outside Census County
FALCONAR Margreat, 65, b Nairn
ROSS Margreat, 10, Female Servant, b OUC
MCKAY Alexr, 15, Ag Labourer, b Nairn
Thinking that Margreat FALCONAR might well be the mother of this Walter, I searched for the birth of a Walter ROSS mother Margreat FALCONAR.
Walter ROSS, b 2 Feb, bap 12 Feb 1807, Abernethy & Kincardine, Moray, parents William ROSS & Margaret FALCONER.
Unfortunately, the only marriage I can find of a William ROSS & a Margaret FALCONER is in 1824 (???) in Dyke, Morayshire.
The only births in the IGI to a William ROSS & a Margaret FALCONER are Charlotte ROSE bap 1795 in Nairn, Nairn-shire (this is an LDS submission) then, the following extracted entries all in Abernethy & Kincardine, Moray-shire - John ROSS b 1797, Margret ROSE b 1799 and Walter ROSS b 1807 (and the following, with mother's name as Margaret ROSS, may also be theirs - William ROSS b 1801).
It will be interesting to hear what Walter's birthplace was in 1851 and 1861, and what the Petty death cert says (re name of wife and names of parents) if you download it.
JAP
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Hi Aley and JAP
Aley, was Walter married before his marriage to Catherine MacDonald in 1848. There is a child showing with them in 1851, Isabella age 5 b. Croy, Nairn (1861 her birth place shows as Petty).
There is however a submitted entry on IGI for an Isabella Ross b. circa 1844 to parents Walter Ross and Elizabeth Falconer (although going by her age in 1851 this would be closer to 1846) and an OPR entry for a marriage for a couple with these names:
WALTER ROSS Marriages:Spouse: ELIZABETH FALCONER
Marriage: 02 DEC 1842 Petty, Inverness, Scotland
Two other children show to this couple: William b. 06 JUL 1844 and Janet b. 24 AUG 1845, both in Petty
Walter is showing a birth place of Abernethy in 1851/61. So, JAP, your details regarding possible parents (William Ross and Margaret Falconer) are looking good.
As always, only his death cert. will provide full verification of his parents' names if known to the person reporting his death.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica and thank you
I did find Walter Ross and Elizabeth Falconer as Isabella's parents but wasn't sure.
Didn't have their marriage info and didn't know they had other children.
I can not order his death cert. at this time.
The names, Walter and William runs in the family.
Aley
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Thank you Jap
Don't know what happen but I sent you a reply but I can't see it here.
Just as Monica said Walter b. on census was Abernethy, Inverness.
William Ross & Margaret Falconer you found could be Walter's parents. Looks promising.
Walter's son Walter b. 1858 named his last son; WILLIAM ALEXANDER FALCONER ROSS.
My husband thinks that a cool name.
Aley
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Aley,
I refined the parameters on the free search on ScotlandsPeople for Walter ROSS's death by adding FALCONER for his mother's maiden name - still gets the 1 hit i.e. a search for ROSS Walter, mother's maiden name FALCONER, year 1862, age 58, district Petty gets one hit (I didn't download the result).
Do you know when Catherine died? Her age and birthplace in censuses? Her mother's maiden name? A free search on SP finds the following possibility - ROSS Catherine, other name MACDONALD, year 1905, age 75, district Petty (I didn't download the result - which might well include her mother's maiden name).
It will be interesting to know what you find on the death certs when you are able to get them. I'm unsure whether you've used SP. You need to register (free) to conduct searches. If you wish to download results of BDM or census searches, purchase of credits is necessary - 6 pounds sterling for 30 credits. To download a page of search results costs 1 credit. To download a certificate image costs 5 credits.
JAP
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Hi Jap
Thank you again.
It looks like you found his parents. Petty district is the last place he lived. So that's him.
I was giving these dates for Catherine's birth, 1820, 1821, 1828. On the census has birth place Cory, Nairn. Not sure who gave me this.
Could be her.
Catherine Rose McDonald b. May 26 1821 in Cory, Nairn
christening, June 14, 1821
Parents: Hugh McDonald & Margaret Wilson.
Just found.
In the LIBINDX ( Local History Services in Moray ) has this;
Catherine Ross (nee McDonald )
death 1905, place of death Brackely Farm Gollanfield
Spouse name; Walter Ross
You have her age at time of death as 75 but on the 1901 census she is with her son Walter and has her age as 74.
On the census that was given to me over the years has Catherine age different. This is what I mean.
1851 age 31, 1861 age 38, 1871 age 44, 1881 age 53, 1891 age 70 and 1901 age 74.
Isn't this confusing
Aley
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Hi Aley,
Sorry! 75 was a typo - should have read 79.
I tried adding mother's maiden name WILSON but no luck - but that may just mean that Walter (assuming he was the informant) didn't know his Gran's maiden surname. I also tried the middle name of Rose - again no luck. You would have to purchase (download) the certificate to see the name (Hugh?) of Catherine's father.
The birth you quoted is an LDS submission - but there are a couple of births in Petty to a Hugh MC DONALD & a Margaret WILSON (Eliza 1815 and James 1817).
Interestingly, there is a death in Petty (found by refining parameters on a free search on ScotlandsPeople) of a Margaret MCDONALD, other name WILSON, in 1855 (unfortunately it's an entry where the age was not indexed - you would have to purchase the certificate to see the age and further information).
And there is a possibility for Catherine and a mother Margaret (unfortunately relationships not given in the 1841 and ages rounded down) in the 1841 census on FreeCEN.
SCT1841/106/ED4/Folio4/Page 10
Fishertown, Petty, Inverness-shire
The household of a farmer MUNRO includes the following:
MCDONALD Catharine 20, female servant, b Inverness-shire
MCDONALD Margaret 45, occupation and birthplace blank.
JAP
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Walter Ross born 2 Feb 1807 was son of William Ross Abernety and Kincardine, Moray (died 1862) and his wife Margaret Falconer.
Margaret Falconer (born 1773) was daughter of William Falconer and Margaret Cameron at Torrich and Geddes, Nairn.
William Falconer born 10 May 1730 was son of John Falconer (b abt 1690 and died after 1754) at Bellone of Geddes, and then perhaps Reriach, and his wife Ann McLean.
The Falconers had been farming at Belone of Geddes since at least mid 17th century, when an Alexander (father or grandfather of John and Colin there beginning 18th century was possessor).
So here is part of your family history! At what point did your family emigrate and where to?
Jane McG
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Hi Jane,
Thank you so much for the info. Walter Ross & Elizabeth McDonald Ross left Scotland on May 26, 1906 on the S.S. Numdian and arrived in Canada June 6, 1906. They moved straight to Olds, Alberta, Canada. He died 1912. He had won first & second prize for his vegetables and flowers at the Olds Fair for a few years.
Aley
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Hi..just found this thread. I think we may share Walter Ross of Olds Alberta. My mother in law was Margaret Ross daughter of Walter Ross of Inverness Scotland and who lived in Olds Alberta. And I have been given the information on winning gardening awards and may have a note on it, have to find it. My ex husband passed away ..his mother margaret and her father were both alive when my son was born in 1979 ..but Margaret passed away a couple years later . Have you got any more information on him as I cannot see the dates lining up unless there is a Walter Jr? thanks
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I found this in the 1911 census for Olds.
1911 census Olds Alberta
15 14 Ross Walter M Head M Mar 1858 52 1901
16 14 Ross Elisabeth F Wife M Sep 1846 40 1901
17 14 Ross John M Son S Jan 1875 16 1901
18 14 Ross Walter M Son S Oct 1893 14 1901
19 14 Ross Jane D. F Daughter S Aug 1899 12 1901
20 14 Ross Cathrine M. D. F Daughter S Aug 1901 10 1901
21 14 Ross Elisabeth F Daughter S Dec 1904 7 1901
22 14 Ross William ? F. M Son S Feb 1909 2 1901
So I am thinking Walter jr born 1893 would be my son's ggrandfather. He was in his 80's I remember when we had a pic taken of him with the baby in 1979. so now i have to search him out. BTW I was told by my ex-husbands best friend that it was our Walter Ross who won the gardening awards but I think it was in BC I have to check.
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I have Walter Jr. b. Jan. 22, 1896 Gollanfield, Inverness son of Walter Ross & Elizabeth McDonald Ross Ross. Walter jr. married to Hattie Crealock. They had 2 children that I know of: a Jack Creakock Ross and Barbara Ann Ross.
Do we have the same family?
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Hi daganta
Forgot to write that I have a Margaret Ross b. June 20, 1931 in Olds, Alberta, daughter of John Ross and Susie Margaret Fisher. Margaret married James Kenneth Young.
Aley
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don't know if i am getting closer or this is getting stranger..I believe Maggie was born in olds and that year would be right..but I know her father was Walter from Inverness ..I only met him once ..the picture of him and the four generations from early '80s is in Toronto. I remember he was really old. My husband's mother Margaret (ross) married a John (Kenneth) Cooper in Edmonton Alberta I think as that was where Ken was born ...I believe that was his middle name as my husband's name was Kenneth John Cooper. i recently took the info off a letter and wrote it down and then sent the letter to my son as it was addressed to him after his father died. I will look in my car tomorrow as it may be in a file in there.i am in transit this week. Thanks for all this info btw. where did you get this margaret's info..? I wonder if he was Walter John Ross? or John Walter Ross? I may shortly sign up for another free trial on ancestry and see what i can find there.
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The Walter Ross Jr. I have did live in Toronto. He married Hattie Crealock Sept. 12, 1923 in Toronto. Not sure if we have the same Walter cause I have his death in 1972 and Hattie's in 1975.
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yes def different Walter Ross .. I will pull my files or check with my son soon to see if i have any more info. I think it is two different walter ross ' from inverness and olds alberta. or maybe even 2 jr's as well. I saw a lot of ross from scotland in olds but I never heard any stories about my ex husbands family there and they are all gone now... I will get back to you when i have something concrete. thanks
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Hi Daganta
I think your Ross family travelled on the 'Numidian' and arrived in Montreal, Quebec on 6 Jun 1906. From the info on the shipping manifest and the 1911 census (watch the dates for births for the parents as they seem to jump about a bit!), I think this is the family back in Scotland for the 1901 census:
Walter Ross 43 farmer b. Petty
Bessie Ross 35 b. Inverness
John Ross 6 b. Petty
Walter Ross 4 b. Petty
Jane F Ross 2 b. Petty
Catherine M Ross 8 months
Donald Wilson 18, servant
Jane Skinner 19, servant
Address: Farm House Brackley, Petty Inverness
Bessie is a name variant for Elizabeth, see www.whatsinaname.net which is particularly strong for Scottish first name variants. Mother shows as Bessie on the 1906 shipping manifest.
Monica :)
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:P That will teach me to do posts late in the night ;D Just re-read from the beginning of this thread and realise that my last post was your Walter Aley not Daganta's. The information I posted is what you have already and included here some posts ago.
Daganta, struggling to see any other Walter Jnr/Snr. at this stage that fits in the 1901 Scottish census.
Monica :)
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Thanks Monica and Aley !! I appreciate all your efforts, I am having trouble finding my notes ..but I should be all moved in my new place by sunday also trying to get my son to find that letter i gave him as he just moved also.. You know its that darn "Outlander" novel that got me going on all this Scotland research again. I have had difficulty finding my Irish origins as you could see on my documentary series By Her Roots for Rootstelevision.com and on my YT channelhttp://www.youtube.com/user/RyaneInc#p/c/2843CD9912F18301 My Dublin Hayes ancestor was the most recent, timeline wise, and his wife stated on his death record that his mother was from scotland but didnt mention her name..but then she may have been in shock at the time. So Scotland it is!
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Aley: RE: "The Walter Ross Jr. I have did live in Toronto. He married Hattie Crealock Sept. 12, 1923 in Toronto. Not sure if we have the same Walter cause I have his death in 1972 and Hattie's in 1975". Did they die in Toronto?
Do you have marriage date for Margaret Ross to James Kenneth Young? I have them mentioned in John Ross's obit from the Olds Gazette but dismissed it because it was 1981 and I don't remember the name of Margaret's 2nd or 3rd husband at that time but I am sure John Cooper was her first husband. Well i am now about to give up on this family as its looking like i have the wrong Walter Ross.
I have so much information on this family now since I have been working with the Olds Gazette archives can't believe I have wrong family. I did just find a Walter Ross in Lethbridge so will check him out. Thanks
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Daganta:
If you have the same info I have on our Walter Ross & Hattie Crealock, it looks like they are one of the same. Hattie Crealock daughter of Samuel Crealock was b. in 1896 & d. 1975. I don't know where they died.
I don't have a marriage date for Margaret (Peggy) Ross b. 1931 in Olds, Alberta and James Kenneth (Ken) Young b. 1933 and d. 2003 farm accident Peers, Alberta. Ken was her only husband.
Aley