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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Malshie on Saturday 23 June 07 19:00 BST (UK)
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I have received a photocopy of my gr.gr.grandfather`s birth record the families place of residence is
Cummins Court, birth registerd in the district of -Dublin South City No.1
Has anyone heard of Cummins Court please? if so could you give me an idea of the location. Thanks for any help
Malshie
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Hi Malshie,
The Census index for 1851 shows Cummins Court as being off James' Street in the Parish of St. James.
There are just 2 houses with 12 families living there.
RonnieG
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Hi RonnieG
Thanks for your kind reply and looking at the 1851 census, I will have a look at James Street on multimap to see exactly where it is, good to get at least an idea of what kind of life they lived, during the 1800`s a very hard one I would imagine, Cummins Court doesn`t appear to be that great. I know my gr.gr. grandfather worked as a Copper Furnace man, I have wondered if it had anything to to with the Guiness Brewery, anyway
Thanks again
regards
Malshie
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Malshie,
Very likely that he had something to do with the brewery as it was easily the largest employer in the area and was situated on James's Street (and still is).
What is the family name - I will check the census again.
On the map find Christ Church Cathedral and follow the streets running west. High Street leads to Thomas Street leads to James's Street.
RonnieG
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Ronnie G
Thanks again, ok I shall check those streets, how exciting!
The family name is McMahon(william) - wife Margaret Flanaghan
although McMahon seems to of been transcribed as Mahon on some certificates.
Regards
Malshie
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Malshie,
Are William and Margaret your gr.gr.grandfathers parents?
What is his d.o.b.?
RonnieG
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Hi Ronnie
William McMahon was born around 1843 Dublin
and Margaret Flanaghan was born around 1842 Dublin.
My gr.grandfather Michael McMahon was born around 1866 Dublin and his brother
James born 1864 Dublin
Thanks again Ronnie
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I AM TRYING TO TRACE THE FLANNERYS THEY LIVED IN THE LIBERTYS IN THE 1950 THERE WERE 2 BROTHERS THOMAS AND JACK AND 2 SISTERS CATHRINE AND BRIDIE CATHRINE DIED IN 1954 AND SHE LIVED IN MILL LANE AND WAS BURIED IN MOUNT JEROME
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Cummings Court is off Bride street.
have a look at Dublin street directory.
http://www.failteromhat.com/dublin/strdir/str29.pdf
http://www.failteromhat.com/dublinstrdir1842.htm
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Thankyou Highway. Would you know if there are any old photos available on-line to look at, of Bride Street or even Cummins Court?
now that would be a great find.
Regards
Malshie
Happy New Year
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Hi Malshie,
Present day Bride Street has a new development of social housing on one side and original "social housing" as built by the owners of Guinness Brewery on the other which has mostly been refurbished and is still in use today.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02h5/
There was a bath house included in the complex which has recently been converted into a modern gym.
RonnieG
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Hi Ronnie
Happy New Year. Thanks for the picture of Bride Street, at least now I have an idea what the houses looked like when my Gr.gr.grandparents lived there, although I suspect they wouldn`t of looked quite so lovely!
What a really good site with some beautiful photographs well worth a look.
Kind Regards
malshie
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Malshie
Did you determine which of the 2 Cummins Courts you are interested in?
Regards Quaxer
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Hi Quaxer
No I didn't find out which Cummins Court, related to the Mahon (McMahon) family.
On the Birth Certificate of Michael McMahon dated 1866 it only states Cummins Court.
I did get in touch with the Guinness Brewery in the hope the family may of been employed there, but no record was found of any Mahon or Mcmahon.
So I actually came to a dead end.
I also tried to find a Marriage on the I.G.I. site for William and Margaret around 1862/64 but also drew a blank there.
Thanks for your interest
malshie
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in Thoms directory 1922, it shows Bride St as Dublin 2 S. and 3 S.
James' St as 1 S.
It's likely to have kept the same number, I think
eadaoin
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Hi can anyone tell me how i can access the census records for dublin 1841 1851.I am looking for peter devine born approx 1820 and his son Lawrence born about 1840.the only info i have is that they were born in Dublin
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the oldest surviving complete Irish census is from 1901. A very small number of fragments of earlier census returns are available. There is an 1851 census extract for Dublin City district which only includes heads of households and address - this includes a Peter Devine, 9 Gratten Court
Shane
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I’m almost 2 decades late, but I have some insight:
Cummins Court would have been an intersection somewhere between 107 and 108 James Street. According to the 1835 Dublin Almanac, 108 James Street was the residence of my second-great grandfather, James Cummins, who was a harness maker and saddler. As far as I can tell, that was the family trade for at least three generations. After my family no longer resided there, the property was owned by a tobacconist until Guinness ultimately purchased it.
I am not aware of the origin of the name Cummins Court and I am presuming the connection to the family name is a coincidence unless my ongoing research proves otherwise.
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To add: I found a historical map (1847) showing exactly where Cummins Court used to be. You'll find it in the upper right quadrant in the city block directly above the bolded words, "JAMES' STREET".
https://doi.org/10.7925/drs1.ucdlib_40847
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McCready says (in 'Dublin Street Names Dated and Explained' from 1892):
Cumming's ct. (S. Bride Str) 1766
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McCready says (in 'Dublin Street Names Dated and Explained' from 1892):
Cumming's ct. (S. Bride Str) 1766
I found a historical map of Dublin showing exactly what I said above. There’s a link to the map in that post.
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Although I am not in a testy humour, I asked almost 15 years ago which C. Court this item related to but somehow I have missed a definitive answer.
Would some reader enlighten us and if necessary have this item divided with separate entries for both places with a cross reference in each
FelixQuaxer
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....I asked almost 15 years ago which C. Court this item related to but somehow I have missed a definitive answer.
Would some reader enlighten us and if necessary have this item divided with separate entries for both places with a cross reference in each
FelixQuaxer
Were you Quaxer back in September 2009?
You can click 'Report to moderator' and ask for this thread to be divided to your liking.
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Kiltaglassan
Yes, I was Quaxer in 2009. Division seems to me a reasonable solution. It is not my liking which counts but the convenience of all readers and responders. Consequently, I shall not press the issue.
FelixQuaxer
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here’s a historical map of Dublin from 1847 showing that Cummins Court was exactly where I said it was:
https://doi.org/10.7925/drs1.ucdlib_40847
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EuphorbiaHorrida
You stated that your research continues re Cummins Court off James' Street West so I state below some items which may be of general interest to you
The Irish Times Newspaper shows
21st May 1889 Page3 John M'Evoy (porter) Charged with murder (no house no. given)
7th May 1889 Page 8 Advert. Nos.1-8 For Auction Held for ever
21st May 1881 Page 6 James Whelan (of No.3) Fatal Fall
When a fiche viewer becomes available I can look at Directories for 1839, 1842 and 1846 if you so desire.
FelixQuaxer
Shaw's Pictorial Directory 1850 shows the Court as being set in Tenements
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There was more than one Cummins court.
1873: (https://dublin1850.com/images/cumminscourt.jpg)
South City No. 1 would cover the top one.
South City No. 2 would cover the bottom one.