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Can anyone please lookup in the Belford Parish Records for the birth of Thomas Falla born in either 1763 or 1767. He diedon 31/1/1818. Had a number of children one of which was Selby Falla b 1783 Kirknewton, married to Ann Young 7/7/1809 and died in Beford 15/1/1863.
I would like to know the exact date of the birth of Thomas Falla and also the names of his parents. I assume his marriage would be around 1780 ish so any information on a wife's name would be good too.
Thank you for looking.
Best wishes
Christine
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Hi Christine
There is a Thomas Falla baptised 27 Jun 1762 in Lilliesleaf, Roxburgh, Scotland which is not far from the border with Northumberland
Ashley
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Thanks for the information Ashley. I have made a note of this Thomas Falla. I wonder if you are able to tell where he died? I have since been to Woodhorn Colliery Archives in Ashington and found a death of a Thomas Falla 15th July 1811 in Belford. He was aged 75 and his proffession was a 'shepherd'. This Thomas would then have been born around 1736. May be he was the father of the Thomas Falla that you have found and then they came back to Belford in Northumberland. Let me know if you can find anything more out from your source of information.
Much appreciated
Thanks very much for your help
Christine
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The Thomas Falla in Scotland had a father called Robert.
I'll take a look on the NBI when I'm at home this evening and see what I find.
Ashley
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Thanks Ashley,
Do you think you could check the son too? Selby Falla b 1783 who is down as dying in Belford 15/1/1863 but we can't find him.
Look forward to hearing from you tonight.
Thanks again
Best wishes
Christine
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Christine,
A couple of snippets... right name, right place, but wrong era.
Belford Baptisms of two children of Selby and Ann Falla
25 Apr 1824 Isabella
14 Sep 1827 John.
Two Belford Parish Burials
11 Jan 1818 Thomas Falla, 5 years 6 months @Belford
13 Feb 1829 John Falla 20 months @ Belford.
Michael Dixon
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Thank you for the info Michael. I do have these already but thanks for checking.
I am really, really stuck with this Thomas Falla.
I have Thomas Falla from the Family Search Web Site when I was looking at details for Selby Falla (his son). Thomas is down on Family Search as Disc Number 69 and Pin Number 405730 (I don't know where I would get this Disc information from?). This is how I have the connection of Thomas to Selby.
I have trouble with Selby too!!
Selby is down on some search sites as being born in Belford (which is where most of the family are) but on most sites he's down as being born in 1783 at Kirknewton, Northumberland and Died 15th Jan 1863 Belford Northumberland.
I am unable to find any parish records for Selby's birth. I do have a copy of his marriage banns to Ann Young in Belford 7th July 1809 and a witness at their marriage was a Sarah Falla. I have to track this Sarah down yet.
However, I also cannot find a burial record for Selby Falla for 1863 at Belford so you can see I am really struggling here.
Any information that you do find I would be very interested in looking at. I can check then that I do have it.
Thanks again for your help
Best wishes
Christine
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Christine,
Selby senior's birth parish/place ?
C1841 just states he was born in "this county".
C51 has him as native of Kirknewton ( this could either be KN parish or KN village... census enumerators instructed to record " parish or town of birth" )
C1861 has him born Belford (parish or village)
If I had to plump for Belford or Kirknewton, I would tend towards Kirknewton ( easy for Belford enumerator to bung down Belford, like for all the other Belfordians, more difficult to accept the "Kirknewton" entry from a Belford enumeraor as a mistake ?? And KN is some distance from Belford))
Were all his children bapt. in Belford Parish church ( C of E ) ?
Michael Dixon
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Hello again Michael,
The children were all in the Belford Presbyterian Baptisms Register at Woodhorn Colliery Archives.
There was no entry for Selby in either the Belford or the Kirknewton register.
I take your point about the Kirknewton recording by the enumerator
Do you know anything about this Disc and Pin Number referencing on Family Search?
Best wishes
Christine
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Christine,
I am really ignorant of IGI angles on FamilySearch ( I have in most cases been able to progress searching without relying on it... I frequently hear of several errors which put researchers off track.
MD
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Thanks Michael,
I have managed to get back pretty well too just by census etc but it's now when you are into the Parish Registers that things are getting difficult
Christine
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Hi Christine
On the NBI there are only 2 Falla burials in that period - bu tluckily they both have ages on them.
One is Ann Falla aged 2 weeks on 26 Oct 1825 in Corbridge, and theo ther is Thomas Falla
17 Jul 1811 aged 75 in Belford.
This latter lies in the period when they collected a lot of information on people because of the orders from Durham Cathedral so you should get a view of the original or full transcript as it may tell you more about them.
All the best
Ashley.
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Thanks for getting back to me Ashley. I have a copy of the parish record for Thomas Falla died 17th July 1811. It says that he was a Shepherd. That's the only information on the parish record.
I haven't looked at Bishop's Transcripts. Is that what you are meaning? Do you know if they hold any additional info to the Parish Records?
I have found out this afternoon that Bishop's Transcripts for Belford and Kirknewton are held at Durham University Search Room.
I appreciate your help in this.
Let me know what you think
Bye for now
Christine
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Hi Christine
No, what I meant was that during the period from 1798 to 1812 the Bishop of Durham instructed all parishes in his diocese (Durham, Northumberland and parts of Yorkshire) to collect full information when registering BMDs. Some were more vigilant than others, so sometimes you can find a person's original parish marked on a death - clearly not in this case!
Ashley
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Forgive me Ashley. I omitted to say that the parish register said Thomas Falla of Belford, Shepherd, Died July 15th, Buried July 17th, Age 75 years.
So it looks as though he was born in Belford then!
I have telephoned the Search Room at Durham and they are going to look in the Bishops Transcripts for Kirknewton to see if they have the year of Selby's death.
I will let you know when I hear from them next week.
Thanks again
Christine
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I have copy of death certificate:
Selby Falla
When and were died 12 January 1864 North Bank, Belford, Northumberland
Age 80
Occupation Slater
Cause of death Water in the Chest certified
Description and residence of Informant Isabella Falla - Present at the death - North Bank , Belford
Registered 13 January 1864
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Thank you for your message.
I have a copy of the death certificate thanks.
Still stuck finding out where Thomas Falla was born though.
Let me know if you come across that.
Thanks again for being in touch
Best wishes
Christine
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Forgive me Ashley. I omitted to say that the parish register said Thomas Falla of Belford, Shepherd, Died July 15th, Buried July 17th, Age 75 years.
So it looks as though he was born in Belford then!
"...of Belford" just means that was where he was from when he died. "Native of X" would mean that is where the informant thought he was born.
Good luck,
Matilda
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I have Thomas Falla from the Family Search Web Site when I was looking at details for Selby Falla (his son). Thomas is down on Family Search as Disc Number 69 and Pin Number 405730 (I don't know where I would get this Disc information from?). This is how I have the connection of Thomas to Selby.
I have trouble with Selby too!!
Selby is down on some search sites as being born in Belford (which is where most of the family are) but on most sites he's down as being born in 1783 at Kirknewton, Northumberland and Died 15th Jan 1863 Belford Northumberland.
Looking at www.familysearch.org & trying to retrace your steps, it appears as if you got the information from a Pedigree Resource File. I am not very familiar with the ins and outs of the LDS system, but the kind of information you have for Thomas Falla comes from family trees submitted by individuals. They are as good as the researcher concerned and the quality of sources the researcher has used. I understand from other people that some include detailed notes and source references and others....don't.
In this case the submitter has allowed their their name and address to be publicly available, though they may have moved, of course, in the meantime. You can also purchase CDs with the family tree you are interested in - you will need the CD reference number and presumably the other reference also. I haven't ever done this but it looks as if you just follow the links provided.
There is a link which says "Order Pedigree Resource File CD-ROMS" which takes you to the on-line LDS store. Choose the "Home and Family" link and then "family history".
Matilda
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Thank you for the info Matilda. I will have a look at the CD Rom info and see if I think it would help me.
I understand what you mean about entries being posted by other researchers.
I think it is because I am unable to get to a parish record or a Bishop Transcript record for his birth at Kirknewton (Selby Falla), that I am clutching at straws.
Best wishes
Christine
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I found a Thomas Falla baptism in Berwick High Meeting House for 18 Jan 1761 s/o Andrew and Elizabeth, Mason, in Berwick
Janis
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Thank you very, very much for the information you have found.
Did you find this information in Berwick Record Office?
I will certainly check out this Thomas.
Brilliant
Thanks again
Best wishes
Christine
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It will be in the Berwick office but I just have a transcript fiche
Janis
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Could I impose on you a little further and ask if there is a Selby Falla baptism on there for 1783? It's a long shot. However, seeing as I can't get any joy with a baptism for Kirknewton I thought it might be worth asking.
Also is there a death on your info for the Thomas Falla you have found?
May be the 75 year old shepherd that I have the death for in 1811 might be suspect.
When you say a 'transcript fiche' do you mean a typed copy of the fiche for the church? If so can you tell me how to obtain these?
Thanks again Janis, look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Christine
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You mean the fiche queen might have to give up secrets? http://www.bpears.org.uk/NRO/Fiche.html This covers Northumberland but there is another company Northfiche that also has records for sale as well as NDFHS
I saw the Thomas Fala death 1811, says the same thing as you have. The fiche vary--some are typed written some are hand wirtten. Some are indexed and some are not. The name Falla is not very common. I did find the baptism of the 5 or so children of Selby but not his baptism.
I looked in the 2 sets of fiche that have marriages pre 1812--Shaw's Lane and Berwick Golden Square but no Falla marriages, I don't know if Ferrah is the same name. These marriages were perform by Presbyterian ministers of a Berwick church but the marriage actually took place in Scotland.
Janis
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Thanks for the web site. It's amazing what you learn from other people...
I have just taken a look at the list. Quite extensive.
Do you have Belford West Street Presbyterian Church Baptisms 1776 - 1848?
The list says that these records are not on the IGI. I wonder if Selby Falla's baptism might be in those records?
I hope I am not being a pain to you?
When I have seen these lists I assumed that you needed a fiche reader to be able to read the records. Am I right?
Best wishes
Christine
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No I don't have that particular church but it is on my wish list.
I have Belford Scotch and that is where Thomas, Grace and Matthew were baptised.
When Selby Falla, bachelor married Ann Young one of the witnesses was a Sarah Falla.
Several folks with the last name of Selby in Belford
eBay is a place to start for a fiche reader mine is the size of a briefcase.
Janis
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Thanks Janis
I have looked for Sarah Falla (witness). I wondered if this could have been his mother? I would need to go back through my records. I didn't find her. The Sarah Falla born also to Andrew and Hannah died when she was young (if my memory serves me right).
There was a Sarah Falla later on the census but she wasn't born at the time of Selby's marriage.
No-one seems to be coming up on any records with siblings for Selby Falla, just children of Selby.
There are lots of Falla's over the border in Lillisleaf, Roxburgh too.
I will have to get my thinking cap on again and see if I can come up with any relevant family members.
Appreciate your help
Best wishes
Christine
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Found this..
The Newcastle Courant, Saturday, 17 September, 1785
To Be SOLD or LET immediately.
All the improvable Freehold Estate, called Stand the Lane, situated in the parish of Kirknewton, in the County of Northumberland, consisting of near 500 acres of good arable, meadow, and pasture land, remarkable for the breeding and feeding sound sheep, and lying in a fine sporting county, conveniently situated for markets, being not more than 17 miles from Berwick upon Tweed, 10 miles from Wooler, 8 from Kelso, 5 from Coldstream, and about 2 from Yetholm; an pays only 2s. in lieu of all tythes and claims of the church whatever. - Thomas Falla, the Shepherd on the premises, will show the same; and for further particulars, applications must be made to Wm. Charleton, Esq; at Alnwick, John Davison, Esq; at Lanton, or Messrs Davidson, Newcastle.