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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Stanza on Monday 18 June 07 22:18 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm new to this, so please be gentle!
In the 1881 Census, at Bluebog farm in Rathen lived the unmarried son of the house, William Robb (b 1843 approx in New Aberdour) as well as the domestic servant Mary Kellman (b 1843 approx in St Fergus) and James Kellman (b illegitimate 29 April 1870 in Lonmay).
The name "Kelman" on the birth certificate is spelled "Kellman" in the census.
I'm trying to find out what happened to any of these three, and/or if they had any descendants, but I haven't been able to track them subsequently.
In 1868, ie 2 years prior to the birth of James Kel(l)man, William Robb was the father of an illegitimate child (John Simpson) by another servant girl (Isabella Simpson).
I am in direct descent from that John Simpson, so (without wishing to cast too many aspersions on the name of William Robb) I am keen to find out if I have any long-lost half-cousins out there! Any help appreciated.
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Hi Stanza,
Sorry if this is a daft question but ...
I assume you've searched for William, Mary and James on the 1891 and 1901 censuses without success?
If not, those censuses can be accessed on the (pay per view) site ScotlandsPeople at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Or, given your location, possibly in local libraries?
JAP
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Hi JAP
Not a daft question, as I said I'm new to this so it's quite possible I miss the obvious.
I have done searches on the 1891 and 1901 census, and also the statutory death registers, using the http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk website but without success.
I guess they may well have left Scotland, but maybe someone can come up with another suggestion?
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Hi Stanza
This looks like William Robb and Mary (?) in 1891:
William Robb 48, police carter, b. Aberdour,
Mary Robb 48, b. St Fergus, Abdn
Annie Robb 14, daughter, b. Lonmay, Abdn
Address: 152 Wellington Rd, Old Marchar
Have you tried searching for a marriage for William and Mary?
Regards.
Monica :)
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They do look to have married ;) From Scotlands People marriage search:
1885 ROBB WILLIAM KELMAN MARY OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0122
Stanza, have you used Scotlands People before? If not, we can all give you plenty of advice on it!
Regards.
Monica
ADDED: Just seen that you have used SP before which is great ~ you should find the above marriage entry there.
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Sadly, Mary died a couple of years after the 1891 census. A likely death entry for her on SP:
1893 KELMAN MARY ROBB F 46 ABERDEEN OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0197
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Many thanks, Monica - these are the right people!
Now all i need to do is track down James - possibly he changed his name to Robb at some time, so I'll go looking down that track.
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Hello, Wendy Robb here, also live in Canada. Looks like your William Robb is the brother of my husband's great-grandfather Alexander Campbell Robb (b 1869, father James Robb (b 1839, married Jane West))...making William a great-uncle. Alexander C and another brother Daniel both appear to have died in Ontario in 1929 and 1923 respectively.
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Hi Wendy, Thanks for getting in touch.
It's been several years since this thread started, and I've amassed quite a bit of detail since then about the Robbs, but your info is new so that's great.
Alexander Campbell Robb was actually the nephew of "my" William Campbell Robb. Alexander's father James was William's brother, and THEIR father was George Robb (1810-1883).
I'm guessing James took his family to Canada between 1891 and 1901, as they don't appear in the Scottish 1901 Census. Do you have any information on this?
I'm also not sure about your saying that James' wife was Jane WEST, as I have her maiden name as Jane ROSS (from Alexander's birth registration) and their marriage date as 28 July 1846 in Rathen (from Wiliam's birth registration). Could she have been married to someone else at some time?
I'm happy to exchange information with you and I'll send you a PM with a link to my tree.
Best wishes.
John
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Related thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804213.0
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Hi there, just saw this post. Sadly I haven't been able to find anything about James (your Williams brother) beyond the marriage certificate...which doesn't give his middle name or his actual date of birth. The father George was a farmer on Bluebog Farm...and I just found an old 1800's map that shows that Bluebog farm! We're headed over for a visit in 2019 and I thought it would be cool to visit the farm, or at least where it was, since there were quite a few generations listed associated with it. I also found an old 1800's newspaper 'estate sale' notification which listed the estate and all the farms attached (Bluebog was one of them).
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Hi there, just saw this post. Sadly I haven't been able to find anything about James (your Williams brother) beyond the marriage certificate...which doesn't give his middle name or his actual date of birth. The father George was a farmer on Bluebog Farm...and I just found an old 1800's map that shows that Bluebog farm! We're headed over for a visit in 2019 and I thought it would be cool to visit the farm, or at least where it was, since there were quite a few generations listed associated with it. I also found an old 1800's newspaper 'estate sale' notification which listed the estate and all the farms attached (Bluebog was one of them).
It still exists, now named Bluebog of Auchiries.
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.6258&lon=-2.0084&layers=5&b=1 - slide the blue button to the left to see the sateliite view
and http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9959 - click on the map to enlarge it and see Bluebog on a modern map. (Mormond House is now called Cortes House)