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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Pilgrims Progress on Monday 18 June 07 13:43 BST (UK)
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Hi From Down Under,
Would any kind person know any of the details of George Stower and who he married at Chard, Somersetshire in 1854.
Many thanks for any assistance,
Pilgrims Progress :) :) :)
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Hi
Marriage Registration
The four “contenders”......
1854 Chard AMJ quarter 5c 868
Elizabeth Daniel
Martha Frost
Joseph Light
George Stower
The only certain way to find out which bride married George would be to see the marriage certificate or the register.
However by looking at the 1861 census it is possible to guess think aloud. ;D
There is an entry for a Joseph Light married to a Martha both from Crewkerne (which is covered by the Chard Registration District). I cannot see a Joseph Light married to an Elizabeth.
There is also this entry
1861
Taunton, Bishops Lydeard RG9/1620 Folio 120 Page 17
George Stower Head M 29 Railway Lab Somerset Crewkerne
Elizabeth do Wife M 29 Somerset Crewkerne
Thomas do Son 8 Scholar Somerset Crewkerne
Stockham, West Bagborough, Somerset
There is no birth registration in 1852/3 for a Thomas Stower in Chard but there is this birth registration....
1852 Chard JAS quarter 5c 471
Thomas Daniel
As I said at the outset, sight of the marriage certificate or the register entry is necessary to be absolutely sure but there is a lot of unproven and circumstantial evidence, as above, which might lead someone to think that he married Elizabeth Daniel.
On the 1841 census he seems to be the son of a James and Mary Stower.
What do you think ?
DS ;)
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Wow DS,
Is that you helping me in both Somersetshire and Staffordshire - how lucky am I ?
Due to inexperience....... I have since been able to find the correct marriage for George Stower - in 1855 at Wells to Eliza Burge.
Where I believe you have helped me enormously is to have turned up the 1841 Census record for George Stower
living with parents James and Mary Stower. Fantastic !!
When George died Geelong, Victoria, Australia 1905 his father's name was stated James Stower- mother unknown with the word written after - "Charl"and that George had been b Somerset c" 1835. I'd be delighted if you could help me with the census record you have located.
Hope you don't think I'm too greedy ( I know I am), but would you have a census record for Eliza Burge b c:1834 Her death certificate indicated she was born Somerset to William Burge and Maria Arnold.
Have my fingers and toes firmly crossed,
Many, many thanks,
Pilgrims Progress :) ;) :D ;D
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Hi
Here it is, but I think that this one might have married Elizabeth. I have not yet found a George and Eliza on the 1861 census. Do you know when they emigrated ?
1841
Chard Crewkerne HO107/940/3 Folio 13 Page 9
James Stower 40 Labourer Not born in County
Mary do 45 Weaver Born in County
Mary do 15 Weaver Not born in County
Ann do 13 Born in County
George do 10 Born in County
South Street, Crewkerne, Somerset
Ages over 15, rounded down to nearest multiple of 5.
DS
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...and this might be Eliza...
1841
Wells Glastonbury HO107/943/1 Folio 9 Page 9
William Burge 40 Lab
Maria do 35
Ann do 15
William do 14 Lab
James do 12
George do 10
Eliza do 5
Mariann do 1
Parish of Baltonsborough
All born in County
Ages over 15, rounded down to nearest multiple of 5.
DS ;)
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.....here is another possible for George (based on what you say is on the death record)....
1841
Langport Somerton HO107/957/4 Folio 7 Page 8
James Stower 35 Ag Lab
Charlotte do 30
Ann do 20
Mary do 12
Joseph do 9
George do 7
Charlton Village, Charlton Mackrell
All born in County
Ages over 15, rounded down to nearest multiple of 5.
DS
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Hi DS,
Whoopee! Think we have our family with this latest find!
Great work !
:) ;) :D ;D PP
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I think these are the same people 10 years on....
1851
Langport Somerton HO107/1926 Folio 186 Page 16
James Stoward (sic) Head M 55 Agricultural Labourer Charlton Mackrell
Charlotte do Wife M 52 Agricultural Labourer Lydford Somerset
Jane do Daur U 30 Lunatic Charlton Mackrell
Mary do Daur U 22 Agricultural Labourer Charlton Mackrell
Joseph do Son U 19 Agricultural Labourer Charlton Mackrell
George do Son U 17 Agricultural Labourer Charlton Mackrell
Charlton Mackrell
DS ;)
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Hi DS,
Yes it does seem to be the same family. Unusual spelling of surname but well found - it has to be them - except poor Jane the lunatic was listed as Ann ten years previously. Helpful to see place of birth too for each of them. I've had a quick look on the Free BMD site for possible deaths of James and Charlotte and the ages on those likely are more in keeping with their ages listed on the 1851 census.
Well done as usual super sleuth,
Many....a thousand thanks!
A Pilgrim making more Progress
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....and another 10 years on....
1861
Langport Somerton RG9/1628 Folio 88 Page 15
James Stower Head M 66 Ag Lab Somerset Charlton Mackrell
Mary do Wife M 63 Lydford Somerset
Jane do Daur U 40 Lunatic Somerset Charlton Adam
Cottages, Charlton Mackrell
Confirms that George is no longer with his parents. I think the wife is the same person using another name. Cannot find George and Eliza though in 1861. :(
DS
ps Is Pilgrim by any chance your real surname ? My uncle was called Henry Pilgrim.
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....and yet another 10 years on....
1871
Langport Somerton RG10/2393 Folio 18 Page 11
James Stowar (sic) Head M 75 Sawyer and Landowner Somerset Charlton Mackrell
Charlotte do Wife M 73 Somerset West Lydford
Upon Hill, Charlton Mackrell
At RG10/2393 Folio 29 Page 8 a Jane Stower aged 53 from Charlton Adam is living with a George James and his wife Mary (aged 42 from Charlton Mackrell) and family. She is described as Sister in Law. You may be able to find these people yourself in 1881.
DS
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Hello again
The deaths for James and Charlotte will be the two registered in Langport between 1871 and 1881, I would think.
I bet you had already decided that ?
DS ;)
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I cannot see any obvious sign of brother Joseph after the 1851 census. Is it possible that he (and George & Eliza) emigrated before 1861 ?
However, here is something else about the Burge family
1851
Wells Glastonbury HO107/1935 Folio 104 Page 8
Eliza Burge aged 16 and unmarried from Baltonsborough is a House Servant in the household of Henry Hawkins at Molton (?) Street, Butleigh.
Wells Glastonbury HO107/1935 Folio 59 Pages 6/7
William Burge Head M 51 A Labourer Somt Baltonsborough
Ann do Daur U 20 ? Binder Somt Baltonsborough
James do Son U 21 A Labourer Somt Baltonsborough
George do Son U 19 A Labourer Somt Baltonsborough
Mary Ann do Gd Daur 16 Scholar Somt Baltonsborough
Jane do Gd Daur 4 Somt Baltonsborough
Augustus (?) do (?) 9mo Somt Baltonsborough
Philip Arnold Lodger Wid 84 A Labourer Somt Lovington
West Town, Baltonsborough
Not sure where wife, Maria, is but the Lodger looks interesting :o
DS ;)
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1861
Wells Glastonbury RG9/1666 Folio 17 Page 27
William Burge Head M 60 Ag Lab Somerset Baltonsborough
Maria do Wife M 57 Somerset Baltonsborough
Ann do Daur U 30 Labourer Somerset Baltonsborough
Mary Ann do Daur U 22 Servant Somerset Baltonsborough
Jane do Daur U 14 Servant Somerset Baltonsborough
Augustus do Son 10 Scholar Somerset Baltonsborough
Betsy do Daur 6 Scholar Somerset Baltonsborough
Baltonsborough
Mary Ann & Jane were definitely shown as Gd Daughters in 1851 and they are definitely shown as Daughters in 1861.
DS ???
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1871
Wells Glastonbury RG10/2449 Folio 14 Page 19
William Burge Senr Head M 70 Labourer when able Somerset Baltonsborough
Mariah do Wife M 67 Charwoman Somerset Lovington
Elizabeth Jane do Grand Daughter U 22 Needle Woman Somerset Baltonsborough
Elizabeth Alma do Grand Daughter 2.5 Somerset Baltonsborough
Ann do Lodger ? 45 Plain Needle Woman Somerset Baltonsborough
Arthur George do Lodger 6 Scholar Somerset Baltonsborough
West Town, Baltonsborough
PP
I don’t think that William and Maria made it to the next census (Two deaths registered in Wells in the interim).
I hope that the information above has been helpful to you. When you have sorted it all out, you may wish to start new threads for any particular queries, arising from it, which you would like to pursue.
All the best
DS ;)
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PP
I thought that you might also like this. There is a chance that these might be Maria’s parents (but it is only a possibility until it is proven by some other means). If only the 1851 census had said something other than “Lodger” for Phillip :-\
1841
Wincanton Castle Cary HO107/937/15 Folio 4 Page 2
Phillip Arnold 75 Ag Lab
Jane do 70
Lovington, Somerset
Both born in County
Ages rounded down to nearest multiple of 5
I think Jane died a few months later.
DS
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Hi DS,
Wow! I can't believe my good fortune having you on board to help so much. It is very much appreciated. My head is spinning trying to grasp the possibilities so I've decided to absorb the help you have given me so far - fill some charts out and ponder which direction to go next.
I was delighted to find the Parish Transcript of Charlton Mackrell on line which enabled me to find the baptisms of each of James and Charlotte Stowers children. Sadly no marriage record of the above couple. :( Do you think Charlotte's maiden name will be listed on her death certificate?
Once again many thanks for your help and generosity. One week ago I had no idea where George and Eliza Stower came from and now all this......
Regards
Pilgrims Progress
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Do you think Charlotte's maiden name will be listed on her death certificate?
Hi PP
Unfortunately the maiden name is not found on English death certificates. Scottish records are far superior in terms of what information they contain.
Here is a link to a site that shows briefly what is contained on each type of certificate in England and Wales and also shows the additional information found on a Scottish certificate.....
http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/bmd_2.htm
This is also a very good site on the same subject.....
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
Hope that helps
All the best
DS ;)
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Can you assist me? You will find Eliza Burge who married George Stower on my website www.butleigh.org - I would welcome details of when they emigrated and what happened next to amplify what I have on my website.
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DS,
Many thanks for this extra info - I shall pass it on to my friend,
PP :D