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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Louise Mumford on Friday 15 June 07 00:59 BST (UK)
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My great-grandfather, Cornelius John Townsend, married Sarah Thompson in 1902 at St Luke's, Weaste, Salford, aged 21; I have a copy of their marriage certificate, and I know that this is the right couple (other family members are sure she came from Penrith, and this is given as her birthplace on the 1891 and 1901 censuses). She does age rather rapidly on marriage, going from 16 in 1901 to twenty in 1902, however..
The problem is, I can't find a trace of him anywhere else. I can't find a birth for him, nor find him on any census. On the marriage certificate, his father is given as James Townsend, deceased, a manager, and his address is given as the same as that of his wife's family. I can imagine him escaping a couple of censuses, but registration of his birth as well?
I'm not sure where to go next with this, and the older members of the family don't seem to know anything of his origins. He was an extraordinary man, a steel erector who went from going round with a wheelbarrow and ladder to founding a very successful firm which erected a lot of buildings in the Manchester area after the war ; he was a mayor of Salford, and got the OBE. I just about remember him from when I was very small, a formidable little man.
I've managed to trace other branches of the family back to the early 17th century in some cases, and it seems daft that I can't even start with someone I actually knew! Can anybody help?
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Hi Louise
1891 census RG12/2965 Folio 105
James Townsend Head 48 Widr b Landon Hills? Essex Dock labourer
Emily Dau 21 b Manchester
Sarah Ann Dau 14 b Liverpool
John James Son 12 b London
William Son 10 b London
Cornelius Son 8 b Liverpool
Jane Dau 7 b Liverpool
1c Bower St, Kirkdale, Lancashire
Sue
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1881 census RG11/1758 Folio 33
Sarah Townsend Inmate 31 M b Ireland Wife of Ag Lab
Emily 11 b Liverpool
Sarah 4 b Liverpool
John 2 b Basildon, Essex
William 5mths b Basildon, Essex
"Union Workhouse" Billericay, Essex
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Hi Louise,
There is a Cornelius William TOWNSEND on FreeBMD June 1882 Liverpool 8b 63...
Jean
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Oh dear, could this be James in 1881:
RG11 1877 56 Page 15, HM Prison, St Helens Street, Ipswich, Suffolk:
James TOWNSEND, Prisoner, Unmarried [?], 36, Gen Lab born Essex Lanidon Hills?
Jean
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Thanks Willow and JDGen! I had seen the census entry, but disounted it because the name was wrong (silly me)
The plot has actually thickened somewhat over the weekend; I've been grilling the older relatives again It seems he might well have been baptised Cornelius William, apparently he didn't like the fact that his initials would be CWT (the abbreviation for hundrendweight, why on earth would that bother him??), so he could have changed it.
A newspaper cutting (which they can't find but remember the details!) from when he was made mayor said that he was born in Tooting, but came north when he was 3. No-one has mentioned Liverpool yet, though.
If that is his father, I absolutely LOVE the idea of James being in prison (although I'm less enamoured of his family being in the workhouse, poor things)/ SO far, all my ancestors have been unremittingly dull and worthy. I've been longing for a black sheep to turn up!
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I think it's looking more likely that the Liverpool one is him; the relatives came up with a birthday of May 9th, and I've just checked the April-June quarter from 1877-1885 on Ancestry, and he's the only Cornelius Townsend there. And although he wasn't born in Tooting, the family has come form the South.
Heavens! Southerners in the family...
Update: I just confirmed it. I searched for James on the IGI, and found him, Langdon Hills, Essex. When I searched on the batch number, I discovered that amongst his 9 brother and sisters, as well as a Henry Cornelius, there's a Cornelius William.....
I've a bit of Essex Girl in me!
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Well done Louise and glad you're not worried about the prison thing!
You never know when you post this information....
Jean
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Much more of a shock to find ancestors from the South! ;)
Thanks very much for the prison information, JD, as I'm not sure I would have found it. I can go back on the IGI several generations from James, so plenty there to check!
Thanks again, both
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;D Louise - keep you busy for a while then!
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Thanks to the 1911 census, I know that Cornelius William is definitely him, as it is there in his own handwriting - born Liverpool; he must have decided to "lose" his family after that.
Since originally posting, I have gone back a generation, and made contact with a few people on Genes Reunited who have connections with this family. If anyone on here has a connection, I'd be glad to hear from them
John Townsend (born Horndon-on-the-Hill, Essex), and his wife Sarah had children John, James Henry, Henry, Maria, Cornelius William, Catharine Emily, Thirza, Joshua and Phoebe Eliza, most of whom were born in Langdon Hills
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Hi
I have been looking up my family tree and came across this site. I think we might have the same great grand father. My grandmother was married to his son Arthur Vincent Townsend but got divorced and re-married. My mothers dad was lord mayor of salford between 1942-1943 Cornelius Townsend. If you get this e-mail me at (*).
I hope to hear from you
Regards
Chris
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Definitely the same family!
Have emailed you
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I am the great granddaughter of Cornelius John Townsend. Happy to swap information I have. Not sure how we get in touch?
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There are a few articles in the British Newspaper Archive relating to him. Worth digging through.
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Hi Louise
I am the great grandson of Cornelius, be glad to explain more, but newly registered so I can’t pm you, Hill/Slater family.
Ian