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My ancestor Thomas Partridge had 2 sons, Thomas and Robert who apparently lived their lives in the Orsett area of Essex.
I found the following on Ancestry:
BANKRUPTCY SUPERSEDED
Feb 4 1785. Thomas Partridge, of Orsett, near Grays, Essex, carpenter.
From the date, I feel sure this must be the father, although Thomas junr. was a carpenter also.
My problem is that the only possible match I have found is in the IGI which shows a Thomas and Mary with sons Thomas and Robert christened in Stepney in 1784 and 1792 respectively.
Until I found the bankruptcy, I assumed they had lived in Stepney and later moved to Essex. Can anyone tell me if it was common for children to be christened away from their home parish?
Mike.
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I was. I was born in Ipswich and my grandmother insisted on my being taken aged 2 weeks old on a train to Grimsby to be baptised at her church. I really don't know why my parents just didn't tell her where to go.
I would imagine that there might have been baptisms out of the home church, but there would have to be a good reason for it. There would almost certainly be strong family links to the other parish, although some friends of mine had their child baptised at the church in the parish they planned to move to, with the move subsequently falling through, A headache in waiting I suspect.
Of course the more obvious answer is that you are looking at two different people.
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Thanks Nick, at least I now know it can happen. However,I suspect your final sentence may hold the truth, and I'm still trying to find other references to the Stepney family which will eliminate them from the picture. They have never been more than a "possible" on my file, but so far the only "possible".
It sure gets harder searching before 1800 . . .
Mike.
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I hav efound a number of cases of baptisms away from the parish where the family lived and probaly where the baby was born.
Some seemed to go back to the parish of the wife but these may be because she went home to mother to hav eher babies. However I have a number of instances of children being baptised in the traditional family parish for many generations even though they were no longer living there.
For this to happen in the 18th century the family must have been regarded as sufficiently wealthy to not be likely to become dependent on parish relief. As your family went on to have a banruptcy they probably met these criteria.
If you haven't done so it could be worth looking in the London Gazette for information about the bankruptcy as this may give you more information about the family's location
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/
David
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My problem is that the only possible match I have found is in the IGI which shows a Thomas and Mary with sons Thomas and Robert christened in Stepney in 1784 and 1792 respectively....
Don't forget that there are a lot of baptisms and marriages that aren't in the IGI.
Hugh Wallis's website is a good place to start checking whether a particular parish/period is indexed but it's some years out of date now, so it's not infallible:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Colin
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Thanks. A couple of sites I've not used before.
Not much further forward, but the Gazette fleshed out the bare facts of the bankruptcy as published in the Daily Universal Register. Thomas Partridge was a carpenter, dealer and chapman . . . another new occupation for my list . . . described as either a shopkeeper or a pedlar, which ties in with the family's later shopkeeping activities. The circumstantial evidence grows ever stronger.
Mike.
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hi
my grandad and his silblings were all born in nottinghamshire
in the 1920s/30s they were all baptised in redditch worcestershire
i presume it was because there parents were from redditch
gig
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Thanks. A couple of sites I've not used before.
Not much further forward, but the Gazette fleshed out the bare facts of the bankruptcy as published in the Daily Universal Register. Thomas Partridge was a carpenter, dealer and chapman . . . another new occupation for my list . . . described as either a shopkeeper or a pedlar, which ties in with the family's later shopkeeping activities. The circumstantial evidence grows ever stronger.
Mike.
A chapman usually worked from a stall or booth in a market rather than from his own shop. This very much ties in with someone who later became a shopkeeper. It is interesting that the bankrupt in my family also moved from being a chapman to his own shop a few years before he went bankrupt. Even today I know someone who did exactly the same thing by under estimating the overheads of running a shop.
David