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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Pilgrims Progress on Monday 11 June 07 07:02 BST (UK)
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Hi from Down Under, :) :) :)
Would any kind person be able to assist me with any information on this most unusual surname and its family members.
Thomas Venrus m Sarah Campbell 1834 @ St Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire.
The couple appear to have at least two children Thomas b c:1841 at West Bromwich and George b c1846 at West Bromwich. I have the 1881 Census record of Thomas b c:1841 and his married family recorded under the name Venross and living at Harborne, Staffordshire.
Would love to know if there are any earlier census records e.g. 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871
of the original Thomas and Sarah who married in 1834.
The surname is a difficult one and appears to have been spelt a multitude of different ways including Veneress, Veneross, Venerous, Venerus, Venrace, Venrice, Venrose, Vernors, Venars, etc.
Any one please ? I'd be delighted and extremely grateful if you are up to the challenge of this most allusive family!
Many Thanks :) ;) :D
Pilgrims Progress
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Hi Pilgrims Progress,
I'm not too sure whether you have the details below but they could help in the search for the census details .. .. Thomas and Sarah are proving hard to find .. ..
Death, Dec.qtr 1884
Thomas Veneress, age 73
West Bromwich, Vol.6b, page 496
Death, Mar.qtr 1887
Sarah Veneress, age 77
West Bromwich, Vol.6b, page 525
Kind regards,
Pels
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Hi Pilgrims Progress,
When making several posts about the same family, is a very good idea to provide/summarize the information you already have and always helpful to give cross-references to other relevant threads.
This can aid helpful RootsChatters with their searches, and (probably more importantly!) helps to avoid time-wasting duplication by helpful RootsChatters in searching, typing out, and posting lookups which have already been done.
It is also helpful should another researcher of the same name come across this thread.
So I'll list the following cross-references:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237566.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237934.html
JAP
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Hello there Jap,
You seem to be following me around the country........ :)
As my name implies I am just a Pilgrim making Progress and a real novice as can be seen. I stand corrected and am still learning the protocol......wow the world is a small place but I am as anxious to learn as the next person, wanting to avoid stepping on any one's toes....especially those who have been so helpful,
Many thanks and regards
Pilgrims Progress :)
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Hi
At the risk of making a complete idiot of myself (yet again) :-\ I think that this may be the family. However the original document is very difficult to read and it would help if someone else could check it.
This is what I think it says (apart from the surname which I have inserted based upon the FreeBMD registrations for most of the children). I cannot actually read what the surname says but it has been transcribed/indexed as “Rmcrass” (which I am sure is wrong).
1851
West Bromwich HO107/2025 Folio 44 Page 37
Thomas Vennars (?) Head M 37 Filer Engine Miller Staffordshire West Bromwich
Sarah do Wife M 39 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Sarah A do Daur 15 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Enoch do Son 12 Iron Foundry (?) Staffordshire West Bromwich
Thomas do Son 11 At home Staffordshire West Bromwich
Salina (?) do Daur 6 Staffordshire West Bromwich
George do Son 4 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Caroline do Daur 6mo Staffordshire West Bromwich
Elizabeth Forkinbridge (?) Mother W 79 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Halls Buildings, West Bromwich
On FreeBMD there are corresponding birth registrations for Eanock, Thomas, George and Caroline Vennars or Venars. I cannot find one for the six year old daughter. The oldest daughter, Sarah A, preceded registration.
The parents Thomas and Sarah match (almost) with previous data as do the sons Thomas and George.
Will someone else please have a look and see what you think and comment as necessary.
Thanks
DS
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Hi DS,
Assuming that Pilgrims Progress has downloaded George's marriage and/or death certificate(s) from ScotlandsPeople, PP should be able to advise what it states on them as George's father's occupation.
The mother on your 1851 census entry might be the following death:
Elizabeth FALCONBRIDGE, December quarter 1858, West Bromwich, Volume 6b. Page 385.
JAP
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Hello everyone,
As a precaution because some of my ancestors didn't necessarily stick to their earlier/later chosen occupation .. ..
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2657/dsmh3.jpg)
Kindest regards,
Pels
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It is extremely hard to read and I refuse to take my hat off to
DS anymore because my arms are getting sore .. .. ;)
In my opinion this most certainly appears to be the correct family Pilgrims Progress.
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1556/dslg4.jpg)
Kindest regards,
Pels
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This would appear to be Elizabeth (mother in law) in 1841 -
HO107/978/2 Folio 5 Page 2
Halls Building, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Elizabeth "Forkembridge" 65
Shes in the same household as this family, which I think is your Thomas and Sarah, Surname looks like "..utton" S/J?
Thomas 25 Whitesmith Y
Sarah 25 Y
Sarah A 5
Enoch 3
Thos. 9mo
Regards
Catherine :)
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Hello again
Jap
I think you might be right. I could not find a Forkinbridge anywhere. ;D
Hi Pels
Thanks for checking (and for keeping your hat on). ;)
This is an interesting (but somewhat confusing) entry
1861
West Bromwich RG9/2024 Folio 31 Page 24
Thomas Sutton (?) Head M 47 Weight Juster Staffordshire West Bromwich
Sarah do Wife M 48 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Selina do Daur U 17 Staffordshire West Bromwich
George do Son 14 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Caroline do Daur 10 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Joseph do Son 7 Staffordshire West Bromwich
Thomas Street, West Bromwich
This looks like the same family to me but I cannot explain why they should be called Sutton.
DS
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Hi Catherine
Sorry. Only read your reply after I had hit the button.
The Sutton name again ???
DS
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Thats the family I've just found too, and would appear to be the family I found in 1841. Is Sutton an "alias"? :-\
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Joseph is a Venners in 1871 though :-\ RG10/2979 Folio 55 Page 23 14 Hall Street, West Bromwich (although his mum and dad are transcribed "Penner")
Thomas 59 Labourer WB
Sarah 60 WB
Sarah Ann ..enner (Blackshaw? written above) lodger mar 34? Blacker? Japaneer?? WB
Joseph 18 Carter WB
Sarah Ann must be their married daughter?
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Possible Marriage Registration
1856 West Bromwich JAS quarter 6b 765
James Blackham
Sarah Ann Venners
DS
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Marriage -
Selina Veneross September 1864 West Bromwich Vol 6b Page 911
Grooms - John Smith or Eli Perks
Caroline Vennors March 1870 West Bromwich Vol 6b Page 799
Grooms - James Pearce or James Atkins
Thomas Venross September 1864 West Bromwich Vol 6b Page 941
Brides - Rebecca Allbright or Hoebe/Habe/Habo Porter (guess they couldn't decide how to transcribe her name!)
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Hi Pilgrims Progress
We seem to have found a chink of light and it should now be possible to find most of the individual members of the family (under whatever name they happen to be using ;D).
This seems to be the Possible Marriage Registration for Caroline (for instance)
1870 West Bromwich JFM quarter 6b 799
James Pearce
Caroline Vennors
...and the family seems to appear on the censuses as follows....
1881 RG11/2845 Folio 85 Page 23 (Surname Pace)
1891 RG12/2269 Folio 77 Page 23 (Surname Peace)
1901 RG13/2723 Folio 114 Page 20 (Surname Pace)
You can, of course, look at the 1881 census yourself, free of charge, but if you would like the full details of the others please let us know.
DS
ps
Cat. Just spotted your post before I hit the button this time ;D. They have a couple of Perks nephews with them in 1901, so it looks as if Selina might have married Eli
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Hi Everyone,
Thank you all for getting on board - I really appreciate your help and enthusiasm for the above project,
Many thanks to you all,
Pilgrims Progress :) :) :) :) :)
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Pels, Re your post #7. There's no doubt in my mind that it reads VENERUS. The up-stroke of the 'V' fairly pale, and the final 's' a long s. But no doubt.
DS et al, I looked at FALCONBRIDGE because the pronunciation is (in my view) the same as FORKENBRIDGE. Where I live we pronounce Falcon phonetically as it appears (Fal-con) - but I'm well aware that the original pronunciation (or at least the 'posh' pronunciation) of the bird was Forken.
Let's hope that Pilgrims Progress will tell us what the occupation of Dad is on George's Scottish (such wonderful information on them) marriage and death certs.
JAP
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Did you know that the Venners family of Durham formerly Sedgley/West Brom area are connected to a well known aristrocratic family?