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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Jackie464 on Sunday 10 June 07 09:08 BST (UK)
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Hi All, I am trying to find any information about a house called Myler Park (spelling my be wrong)
I believe it is, or was, in New Ross, Wexford. Also about a family DUNN who I believe lived there, and a family WHITE who may have at one time been servants there. In hope - Jackie
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Hello Jackie,
the index to the 1901 census at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com
shows a Patrick Dunn and Mary Ann wife living at Mylerspark, Old Ross. Mylerspark is the townland - there may well have been a big house there but there are several families living in the townland - no Whites though.
Griffiths Valuation (taken 1850-60s) has 3 Dunne in Mylerspark but no White http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
best wishes
heywood
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The White family would not be listed if they were servants living in the house of the Dunne family.
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Christopher,
Mylerspark seems to be a townland rather than a house. The census on Leitrim Roscommon site is only an index and just indicates that the Dunns lived in that townland.
Jackie,
I hoope you read this and let us know the years you are interested in and if there is any more information.
best wishes
heywood
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Hello Jackie,
the index to the 1901 census at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com shows a Patrick Dunn and Mary Ann wife living at Mylerspark, Old Ross. Mylerspark is the townland - there may well have been a big house there but there are several families living in the townland - no Whites though.
Griffiths Valuation (taken 1850-60s) has 3 Dunne in Mylerspark but no White http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
best wishes
heywood
I gathered that from your message, heywood. It doesn't matter whether it was a townland or a house.
There are three Dunne families listed ... presumbably with a roof over their heads and no White families listed. Therefore the White family could well have been under the roof of one of a Dunne family. The full Valuation will reveal the size of the properties that James, Michael and Thomas Dunne had in the townland.
Jackie, do you know if one of the White children was a James, Michael or Thomas ???
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Hi Christopher,
I meant the 1901 census re the servants and Griffiths for any Whites living in Mylerspark.
It's difficult isn't it because we don't know the years Jackie wants.
For example, in 1901 there is a Patrick Dunn, master shoemaker, in New Ross with his wife and a lodger called White - their servant is called Murphy.
We'll have to await Jackie's response.
cheers
heywood ;)
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just had another browse and quickly reviewed this site / entry re the name Myler:
http://www.jenforum.org/mealer/messages/27.html
1783- Piers Myler leases the 'Folly House'
1801- sells lease to Laurence Dunn
so if this is the Dunn connection it's way before the times that we have looked at.
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Hi – can I thank everyone for their help! Also apologise, I have written a long reply TWICE and twice it has disappeared into the ether – so if it gets there this time this will be my third attempt
Having not been brought up with my family, about 6 months ago I found my brother and later an elder half sister. I am researching my half-sister’s Quinn (Liverpool and Ireland) family for her.
She has just stayed with us for a week and we took her to Liverpool to see the houses she lived in as a child, the places where her ancestors lived and to meet and 88 year old cousin.
This cousin turned out to be a wonderful lady – one of those people who you could listen to for hours and hours! I and several of the other researchers of this Quinn family have had a problem with a White family from Ireland who married into the Quinn family. In Sept 1861 Maria White married Peter Quinn in Liverpool and became my half-sister’s great grand parents. Maria white has also been a mystery. I know she was 30 when she and Peter married, and came from Ireland. She doesn’t figure in the 1851 census and prior to her marriage was hired by Peter Quinn as a servant, looking after the two young daughters he had with his 1st wife who died in 1858. On their marriage certificate her father is listed as Thomas White, farmer. Another brick wall also concerns the White’s. In 1880 in Liverpool, Catherine White, believed to be Maria’s sister married Daniel Cunningham. In 1881 they had a son also Daniel, both parents died of consumption in 1884. Son Daniel went to live with Maria White and Peter Quinn and is listed as grandson.
This is where I come back to Mylerspark. When visiting Queenie she told me of being told many years ago “never forget that you are related to the Dunne’s of Mylerspark”. She also remembers relatives visiting the house there many years ago. It has been something that she has always wondered about and asked me if I could possibly find out what I could about the family and Mylerspark. She also told me that the White family had also lived there and were possibly servants to the Dunns.
I phoned Queenie this morning and she remembers the names Patrick and Mary Ann Dunn, but not the name ‘Folly House’, she always thought that Mylerspark was the house name.
I now have a photo of the house which I am attaching. The lady at the gate is another relative, May Breen.
I hope this makes sense – and actually ‘gets there’ this time! Jackie
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Quick additional note - how do I find the 1901 Irish census? I am hopeless at finding anything to do with ancestors from Ireland. My own maternal grandparent's came from Newfoundland, but originally Ireland. Name of DOHEY, I can find nothing at all and would love to find out which area they might have come from - Jackie
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Quick additional note - how do I find the 1901 Irish census? I am hopeless at finding anything to do with ancestors from Ireland. My own maternal grandparent's came from Newfoundland, but originally Ireland. Name of DOHEY, I can find nothing at all and would love to find out which area they might have come from - Jackie
It's possible your maternal grandparent's ancestors were from Co. Wexford, Jackie.
On June 17th, 2000, forty three members of the Carrigbyrne Pike Group of Wexford and officials from Ireland helped the Irish Newfoundland Association mark the 200th anniversary of an attempted mutiny in the garrison at St. John’s, and unveiled a plaque marking the site of the event.
See the full article "Irish delegation to attend plaque unveiling" dated June 16th in the Release Archive section 12th - 18th June 2000 of the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador - Canada website. (http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases)
The spelling of the name may have changed too. Griffith's Valuation of Ireland doesn't show Dohey but shows the name Dooey in Co. Waterford when the Valuation took place in the county in 1848-51.
Christopher
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It would appear that the houses at Mylerspark are still there and protected:
Link - http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Planning/DevelopmentPlans/DraftDevelopmentPlan2007-2013/DraftPlanDocuments/RecordofProtectedStructures/Thefile,4495,en.pdf
The record of protected structures includes:
WCC0798 Seventeenth Century
Houses 17
Mylerspark Mylerspark
Jackie
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I've found a satellite picture of Mylerspark (http://www.tageo.com/index-e-ei-v-30-d-447772.htm) as well as a list of places in the area. Mylerspark is about three to seven miles from Duncormuck. It is a very small place with a little church with well kept headstones and a beautiful cemetery.
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yes I saw those Jackie last night but wasn't sure exactly what they were about. I suppose it would be worth writing about them to ask.
What a sad tale about Catherine White.
Her marriage is on Free BMD - June quarter 1879- West Derby 8b 771.
I have a few thoughts.
Has Catherine's marriage certificate been checked re her father's name.
If she is the one in 1881 married to Daniel and with a son Daniel she is born in Liverpool abt 1858. Mind you errors do happen. She is also quite a few years younger than Maria. So I wonder then are they really sisters.
Maria is 1861 as an aunt in Peter Quinn's household. (it would mean aunt to him but of course she would be aunt to the children) She may well have been related and then married him. Also Peter is born Liverpool.
I keep trying to write this but you and Christopher are took quick and I have to keep stopping.
The Dunn(e)s may be the same ones - but they are in 1901 census which is quite a bit later than Maria and Catherine's time. He is 40- being born around 1861. It's all still a bit complicated isn't it.
After this ramble - nothing has come out of it- I would perhaps try to find out from Ireland re the cottages.
Will have another think
best wishes
heywood
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Hello Heywood
There us definitely more than a possibility that Catherine is Maria's daughter (prob. illegitimate). The record in 1861 isn't 'aunt', but an abbrevaition for 'servant' - check the same writing further along the record.
I had the reference for Catherine and Daniels marriage - I will check around the other researchers first and see if anyone has the actual certificate, if not I have to pay a visit soon to Liverpool Records Office and will check it out there.
Yes I know Peter was born in Liverpool - but his father (also Peter) was def. born in Ireland, c. 1801, but don't know where. He was certainly living in Liverpool around 1824 ish.
Oh I don't think anything has come of it - I certainly know more about Mylerspark now than I did, I also have the photo which I had never seen, and we klnow def. that Dunn/e family lived there possibly from 1801 onwards, I think thats quite good in my poor experience so far of researching Irish ancestry! Jackie
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I have to confess that I didn't check the actual writing- sorry- I thought they were just being diplomatic ;)
Yes I wondered if she was the daughter - sounds probable.
The photo is brilliant and I would be thrilled were it me to see that- how fantastic.
Mylerspark townland may be the estate of a larger house with various cottages etc around - perhaps writing to a local newspaper in New Ross may turn something up.
good luck
Kath
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Hiya Jackie,
Mylerspark is on the Ordnance Survey Map Wexford West. (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/o/r/o/Philip-J-Orourke/PHOTO/0006photo.html)
It's to the right of New Ross ... you need to scroll down a little to find Mylerspark.
Christopher.
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Hi Christopher - I found it! That's brilliant - so it is a tiny place way outside the town. Many thanks - Jackie
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Hello everyone,
Maria White's father was listed as a Thomas White, farmer. Catherine White's father was listed on her marriage certificate to Daniel Cunningham as Henry White, farmer. So, what I suspect is that Catherine White is actually the niece of Maria White, but perhaps due to the deaths of her parents, Catherine was brought up in Maria's house and looked upon her as a mother.
While our cousin Queenie remembers the DUNN name as being associated with our family, I have reason to think that we are also related to a family named DUMPHY or DUNPHY, also from Wexford (New Ross area). In 1890 LIverpool, Maria White/Quinn signed off on a death certificate for a girl named Mary Dumphey, age 22, who died while living at Maria's house. Maria lists herself as aunt, and the father of Mary is listed as one Michael Dumphy. I searched the Irish census in 1901 to see if there was a Michael Dum/Dunphy living in New Ross, and indeed there was. Whether 'DUNN' and 'DUNPHY' has been mixed up over the ensuing years, I don't know. I wish I could say this adds something to the discussion, but I fear we're no further ahead than when we started, at least in terms of solving the White/Dunn/Dunphy mysteries. Anyway, thanks for all of your input - it's certainly been an education reading some of the replies.
Cheers,
Edie
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Hi Jackie
I was wondering if you had got a further with your research on Dumphy/Dunphy from Wexford. I have just recently found that I also have relatives named Dumphy who lived in the area of Ladys Island and Broadway Wexford. Other names associated with the name Dumphy/Dunphy in my chart are Furlong, Harris and Blaney.
Carol