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My grandfather David Campbell was born in Shannaghan in 1890. I understand Shannaghan is an 'unattached townland' of the Parish of Newry attached to the Parish of Annaclone (Katesbridge seems to be in Shannaghan). My grandfather's parents were John Campbell from Shannaghan and Harriet Jane Bingham (or Bigham?) from Moneyslane in Drumgooland Parish. John's father was George Campbell and Harriet Jane's was John Bingham. Despite living most of their family life in Belfast, one brother of my grandfather was buried in Closkelt while his mother, another brother and sister were buried in Drumadonald near Moneyslane. All the above locations appear to be in the same general vicinity so it seems that originally the Campbells and Binghams must have lived relatively close to one another.
Obviously I'm trying to source more information about George Campbell (or John Bingham) so if the research of anyone out there overlaps mine or if you can help me in any way I'd love to here from you.
Thank you.
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Just to get the feel of what you are suggesting I used Griffiths valuation for just one parish www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/down/drumgooland
Bigham Alexander Ballyward Drumgooland Down
Bigham Andrew Ballyward Drumgooland Down
Bigham George Ballyward Drumgooland Down
Bigham James Ballymackilreiny Drumgooland Down
Bigham James Clanmaghery Drumgooland Down
Bigham Jno. Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Bigham John Benraw Drumgooland Down
Bigham John Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Bigham John Leitrim Drumgooland Down
Bigham Joseph Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Bigham Matthew Moneyslane Drumgooland Down
Bigham Samuel Ballyward Drumgooland Down
Bigham Samuel Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Bigham William Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Bingham Andrew Drumlee Drumgooland Down
Campbell ??? Drumadonnell Drumgooland Down
Campbell Bernard Leitrim Drumgooland Down
Campbell Henry Moneyslane Drumgooland Down
Campbell John Clanmaghery Drumgooland Down
Campbell John Cloghskelt Drumgooland Down
Campbell Joseph Moneyslane Drumgooland Down
Campbell Patrick Leitrim Drumgooland Down
Campbell Thomas Leitrim Drumgooland Down
You can find the dates within 1845-1865 when it was listed. Notes and maps exist usually.
good luck onwards, Jim
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Thanks for your interest and help Jim.
Sorry for the delay in replying - I've been out of the country recently.
I'll follow up the Griffith information and see where it leads.
John.
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The other suggestion is that you might look in the baptism records of Drumgooland Presbyterian Church, which are available on microfilm in the Public Records Office in Belfast (PRONI). Unfortunately the records are not in good condition and only go back to 1860. I also approached the current keeper of the grave records in the church (which is in Cloghskelt - a place which has about 3 spellings) but they apparently have been neglected in the past as well. My wife's grandfather was born in Moneyslane and is buried in Drumgooland Pres Church graveyard in Cloghskelt. Did you also know Patrick Bronte (originally Brunty) cmae from Imdel (or Emdale), Drumballyroney near Moneyslane/ Katesbridge.
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Not sure what you mean by "Shannaghan is an 'unattached townland' of the Parish of Newry attached to the Parish of Annaclone."
Have you checked LDS catalogue (www.familysearch.org) to see if local church records have been microfilmed?
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A nice little map to explain Shannaghan is on freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/MAPS/AnnacloneTownlands.htm However the map doesnt show the adjoining townlands in other parishes. keep going everybody, Jim
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You can search by parish, etc. here:
http://family.kiwicelts.com/Maps/Ulster_Map.html
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That s a great map website , thank you Aghadowey, best regards, Jim
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Yes, the maps there are very good but slower computers may find it difficult to use.
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Thanks for your contact r1b1c7 and helpful suggestions.
I contacted Drumgooland Pres. Church some time ago but was informed that unfortunately they have no records of burials in Closkelt Burial Ground before 1940. I have also visited the Burial Ground but found nothing relevant to my research. Banbridge DC were also unable to help me with records relating to Drumadonald Churchyard at Moneyslane which I have also visited but found nothing relevant. I have an elderly living relative though, living in Canada, who can remember attending a family funeral in Drumadonald Churchyard.
The name Bronte or Brunty hasn't come up in my research this far and doesn't mean anything to me - sorry.
Thanks also aghadowey for your contact and helpful suggestions and your introduction to http://family.kiwicelts.com/Maps/Ulster_Map.html.
I think BallyaltikilliganG has discovered where I came across the reference to Shannaghan being an unattached townland of the Parish of Newry - Ros Davies' Website. Although this give me some explanation why my great grandfather might be recorded at his wedding as living at Shannaghan on one document and Newry on another I don't quite understand what an 'unattached townland' is (or was).
Thanks everyone for your useful help and advice - I'll just have to keep hammering at my 'brick wall'!!
John
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I think BallyaltikilliganG has discovered where I came across the reference to Shannaghan being an unattached townland of the Parish of Newry - Ros Davies' Website. Although this give me some explanation why my great grandfather might be recorded at his wedding as living at Shannaghan on one document and Newry on another I don't quite understand what an 'unattached townland' is (or was).
I'm guessing that the groom's residence was the TOWNLAND of Shannaghan but the marriage took place in the Newry REGISTRATION DISTRICT?
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John , a match exists for a marriage
From emeraldancestors.com
1878 john XXXXXX marries harriet jane BINGHAM Down
1878 john CAMPBELL marries harriet jane XXXXXXXX Down
referring back to Griffiths valuation listings in a previous above, my Santa Claus covered up ???
Campbell ??? Drumadonnell Drumgooland Down
??? is most unusual
burials, I have learnt to rely on Ros Davies listings under Churches, then by the civil parish, and each chutch often has a list of surviving records
I didn’t check www.familysearch.com
I must call it a day on the Campbell Binghams
Good luck onwards, Jim
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Did you have any luck finding information on drumadonald cemetery?
I have been in the cemetery. Banbridge council have adopted the graveyard, however I could never trace any records prior to the council taking it over.
You may already know this but just in case you don't. It is a very small graveyard situated at the back of what once was drumadonald school. The building is derelict now, however I was told that it was a listed building. My Father went to this school and recalls watching from his classroom at men digging graves. He left school in approx 1936.
Our family registered interest in a plot when the council was taking graveyard over. I was told that we had ancestors buried there. However my fathers generation have all died and I don't know whatever happened to the plot.
Just wondered if you ever found any information regarding the graveyard.
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Jarvey50 in particular
Ros davies website has a couple of items see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/DrumgoolandAll.htm
Drumgooland old graveyard in Drumadonnel townland off the Dromara Road; stone cross all that remained in 1744 (this is now in Castlewellan Square) ; some old gravestones visible in 2013 GIC; DCPH p 41; MO 7/04; google earth
Drumgooland Presbyterian Church in Cloghskelt townland
3km NNE of Rathfriland on the Banbridge to Newcastle Road
The photo on the left shows the village from Presbyterian graveyard. The forground shows a group of tombstones in good order{ is this the correct graveyard being mentioned.as it may not be as described by Jarvey 50}
The photo on the right shows the Meeting House.....................................etcetc
graveyard attached; 1st burial 1817
Ros Davies has no mention of this graveyard being listed by Richard Clarke in his tombstone series pub Ulster Historical foundation, which also has a sister website History from tombstones.
References;V3 p 22, 23 OSM; GIC;ORHB p 47,48
PRONI church records gives
P. Drumgooland
Baptisms, 1836-1912; marriages, 1836-44 and 1856-
1935; communion roll, 1867-90. MIC1P/304 No mentions of deaths as done in P Leitrim
The church of Ireland has a reputation for burials of Presbyterians in some areas
I can help no further good luck
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The pictures are not of Drumadonald/ Drumadonnel . But your info about the cross is correct.
I will contact Drumgolland to find out if they hold records.
I have been to the graveyard , wonderful views of the mountains of mourne.
Thanks for the information. I appreciate your help.
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Thank you both for your messages Jarvey50 & BallyaltikilliganG.
I have visited both these graveyards a number of times in my Campbell/Bingham quest with unfortunately no results - even though I have Obituaries relating to both. Back around 2007, when I enquired, Banbridge Council indicated they had no records relating to Drumadonald and the records held by Drumgooland PC for the adjacent Closkelt cemetery were of no assistance to my research.
Sorry this isn't of any help to you.
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Thanks for your reply. If I discover any information I will pass it on to you.
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That would be really appreciated.
Thank you.
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Re Drumadonald graveyard and the adjacent building that served as a school in in late 1800s and 1900. Proni have in their e catelogue a reference to the title teens of the building. I plan to go and view the documents. Will report my findings.
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My grandfather David Campbell was born in Shannaghan in 1890. I understand Shannaghan is an 'unattached townland' of the Parish of Newry attached to the Parish of Annaclone (Katesbridge seems to be in Shannaghan).
David Campbell born 6 April 1880 at Shannaghan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02876/2053834.pdf
Shannaghan townland in Drumgooland civil parish.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/drumgooland/balloolymore/shannaghan/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4729332#map=12/54.3219/-6.1692
From emeraldancestors.com
1878 john XXXXXX marries harriet jane BINGHAM Down
1878 john CAMPBELL marries harriet jane XXXXXXXX Down
John Campbell married Harriet Jane Bigham on 5 August 1878 at the Registrar's Office in Banbridge, Co Down.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11106/8065136.pdf
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From the 1878 marriage (reply #19), some siblings of David-
Margaret Jane Campbell born 1886 at Shannaghan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02617/1965992.pdf
Alexander Campbell born 1888 at Shannaghan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02519/1933476.pdf
John Alexander Campbell born 1883 at Shannigan Shannaghan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02739/2006979.pdf
William George Campbell born 1894 in Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02242/1844499.pdf
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