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Captain Robert Falcon Scott the famous explorer was born in Devonport in 1868. He was supposedly descended from Scottish ancestry. I have read that his Gt Gt Grandfather was a man known as Scott of Brownhead (Brownhead is in Argyll & Bute, Scotland) who had his estates seized by the crown after the 1745 Jacobite rebellion.
Scott of Brownhead is supposed to have had a son (name unknown) born in 1745 who moved to Devon and built the family home of Outlands.
I am trying to find any information about Capt Scott's Scottish roots. If anyone has any information about this I would be very pleased to hear from them.
:)
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hi there,
well what a challenge! having lived on land previously owned by this famous family i just had to do some digging and with a little help from another rootschatter we may well have found a link for you.
in short robert falcon was the son of john edward who was the son of robert who was also believed to be the son of robert. quite a few of them in this family!
john edward scotts father was born in chudliegh devon, its there that im a little confused . robert senior (johns father) is listed as being the son of robert scott and rebecca, now i have checked thro poss marriages of that era between a robert scott and a rebecca , according to the igi there are only 2 possibles , one in devon and one in scotland.
do you have anymore info to work on ? i have all the census returns for outlands so am trying to pick up clues from there
will get back to you soon
krissy
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Hi thanks for this. I don't have any other info on this side of Scott's family unfortunately.
My interest in Scott is down to an old family story that my gt grandmother Mary Elizabeth Hammond was related to Scott - possibly a cousin of his mother. When I tried to prove this link I found that nobody appeared to have really traced Scott's ancestry properly and I thought, therefore, that it might be worth trying to gather as much info about him as possible to assist other researchers.
If anyone is interested in Scott they may wish to assist me in looking at Mary Elizabeth Hammond's possible link to him. She was born in Dublin in 1868, the daughter of Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton. I have been unable to trace their marriage and as many of the census records appear not to have survived I cannot even say when or where they were born. This has frustrated me for some time so if anyone can help here I would be very grateful.(*)
So far I have not found any Irish connections in Scott's direct lines although I have heard stories that some of his family did originate there. Scott's wife, Edith Bruce, certainly had Irish ancestry, so I guess that the story of a connection could have some truth.
:)
* Moderator Comment:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238041.0.html
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Hi there, this may help a little if you think the family link may be via Robert Falcon Scott's mother. This is what I've trawled on the net:
John Edward Scott married Hannah Cuming in 1862
Hannah Cuming was born Plymouth 1841 -died 1924
Hannah's parents were William Bennett Cuming of Plymouth [Lloyds Surveyor, Commissioner of Pilotage, Plymouth Chamber of Commerce] whose death is registered in Stoke Damarel in 1886 and Esther Day Wilson born Padstow Cornwall aby 1805 to George Wilson and Patty. Esther Day Cuming's death is registered in Stoke Damarel in 1892.
Hannah Cuming had one brother [not sure if she had any sisters?], Admiral Henry [Harry] Cuming who married twice. In 1871 to Marion Harby who died in 1873, daughter of Mt T Harby of Stratford and secondly to Mary, daughter of Mt W P Beech of Stifford Essex
best wishes
MarMnkly
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Hi MarMnkly
Thank you for this information. Hopefully it will help me to establish the link between Mary Elizabeth Hammond and Capt Scott.
:)
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hi there,
just a thought have you looked thro the old census records , maybe there are names of visitors etc that may throw some light on to the subject
if you need copies i can send them to you, just pm me your email address and i will get them on to you ok
krissy
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hi there andrew,
just had someone check out the bvri's in scotland and they came up with this for your "scott from brownhead"it seems this was the only likely one for that time frame.
robert scott birth 15th september 1744
christening 16th september 1744 adrossan ayrshire
father; robert scott
mother; janet wright
after getting the world and his friends searching we found that brownhead was a little village in ayr
so perhaps robert moved across to argyle and that was why he was known as "scott from brownhead"! it sounds plausible dont you think?
hope this helps
krissy
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Hi Krissy
Thank you very much for this. I think you may have found him!
I am starting to get quite a good picture of Captain Robert Falcon Scott's ancestry. Unfortunately, I have been unable to link my family lines into his but part of my difficulty here is that I have been unable to find the marriage of my gt gt grandparents, Thomas Hammond & Elizabeth Templeton. As most of the census records for Dublin do not appear to have survived I have really come up against a brick wall here. Not sure how I will ever solve this conundrum unless someone who reads this knows of this couple already. Aaaaaaaaaarrrghhhh!!!!!!
Time to take 5 I think!
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hang in there andrew im working on it ! so you are not alone ::)
did your grt grt grandparents move to england at all ? or did they remain in ireland
krissy
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Hi Coonwarra and Krissy
I am sooo interested in this thread , but maybe Krissy should take time to read the other one ......
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238043.0.html
This thread is all about the ancestry of Mary Day Cuming , the grandmother of Capt. Robert F Scott. It is very interesting Krissy , and maybe some of the info will prevent you from repeating the search ;D
Nice to see you are not giving up Coonwarra
deb :)
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Hi Deb
Thanks very much for adding this link.
I shall continue to persue this investigation as there are still numerous possibilities that need to be looked at. Hopefully everything will come out in the wash eventually!
If nothing else we are at least building up a much clearer picture of Scott's ancestry, which has to be a worthwhile exercise.
:)
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Hi Krissy
I believe that they moved from Dublin after the Easter rising of 1916 and stayed for a while in Bangor (they were Protestants and could no longer stay in the south of Ireland). I have no idea what became of them after that.
I believe that some of the Hammonds moved to England but whether my gt gt grandparents did or not I don't know. Unfortunately I do not know the names of the ones that went to England.
My gt grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hammond, married a Thomas Hannah in 1895 in Dublin and moved to Scotland sometime before the birth of their first child in 1899.
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hi andrew,
well its poss that your connection to ireland is by marraige, ive just been goin.g thro the census records for 1861 and low and behold staying at outlands with the family of robert falcons grndfther
is a capt luke oconnor recorded as son-in-law , husband of ann scott ,robert falcons auntie! aged 58
and the best bit ......................... he was born in dublin!!!!!!!! so its possible that it is he who is the connection and your mary elizabeth is related by marriage ::)obviously if they had children they would be related, its just a case of finding the relationship of luke to your mary elizabeth, but have faith we are getting closer ;)
krissy
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Hi Krissy
This is very interesting. It is the first link to Dublin that I have seen in Scott's family.
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hi there,
glad you liked it, i checked an earlier census and ann is a widow so must have re married and this is her second husband so i am trying to track him down on earlier records, its always tough when they were in the forces , but good news is we are getting there slowly
krissy
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Hi Krissy
good job!
I found this marriage:
Luke Smyth O"Connor= Ann Mitchell Murrey
Sep 1856
Stoke Damerell
Then in 1844 there is this marriage : vol 9 pg 490
Ann Mitchell Scott ....only 3 girls names on page ...no men's
::) ::) ::) ::)
I looked for Ann M Murray (nee Scott) on the 1851 and cannot find her.....
is Murray an Irish name too??? .... also don't know if she had children with Mr. Murray .... poss cousins of Mary Elizabeth ???
deb
PS Krissy ...are you my Waterfield (of Tavistock) cousin ?? ;D
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And here is another snippet of info care of Google:
General Luke Smythe O'Connor (1806 - 73) of Dublin served in both the East and West Indies and was Governor of The Gambia in 1852.
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Hi :) in the marriage registrations for 1844, Stoke Damerel is
Charles Murray vol 9 page 490
MarMnkly :)
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And in the 1861 census there are 4 grandchildren of Robert Scott and Ann Myers staying at Outlands who were born in the East Indies:
Henry aged 10
Emma aged 9
Katherine aged 7 and
Ellen aged 3
These appear to be the children of Charles Harford and Rose Scott. Presumably all of this means that the family was closely tied to the East India company.
What an interesting investigation this is turning out to be!
:)
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In google books there is the following snippet view:
October 11th, at Devonport, Lieut. Charles Murray, 76th Regt., son of the late Major General James Murray, C.B., to Ann Mitchell, eldest daughter of Robert Scott Esq., of Outland
http://books.google.com/books?id=7aXfY00fvDsC&q=Ann++Mitchell++Devonport&dq=Ann++Mitchell++Devonport&ie=ISO-8859-1&pgis=1
MarMnkly :)
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Hello, here's a little bit more about the Scott family. They lived at Holcombe in Somerset, this what is in the holcombe website
Holcombe Brewery is perhaps not as remembered as one of it's managers sons who came to be John Scott, the father of Captain Robert Falcon Scott the famous if somewhat ill fated Antartic explorer. He became the last manager of the brewery in 1895, and although they only lived in Holcombe for two years, residing at Holcombe Manor, John Scott and his family were thought of with respect. When John Scott died a large number of people from the village attended the funeral. The Scott's are buried in the old churchyard and although Captain Scott is not his name is inscribed on the family tombstone.
Brenda
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Hi
Found Ann M MARRY (sic) in 1851:
2 Outlands, stoke Damerel:
Robert SCOTT head mar 67 Paymaster & Pursor half pay RN b chudleigh
Ann M wife mar 57 b London
ANN M MURRY Dau WID 33 B Outlands
Emma Scott dau 31 unm b Outlands
George B son Unm 29 east India Company service army b Outlands
John E son unm 19 b Outlands
plus lots of servants
So it looks like their were no children from Ann M Scott and Charles Murray... One more relationship we don't have to worry about LOL ;D
Deb
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hello everyone,
wow ! its got busy on here, i only took a day out to do some retail therapy and you have all been partying without me! ::)
well andrew aren't you the lucky one some great info ! now im sure with all this help we will find your irish connections, and a big hi to you debs :-* yes its me ;) the little old waterfield relie it must be all those long noses in the family we seem to get stuck into things ! either that or we are just plain nosey, hee hee. glad your with us on this ,its a close to home thing since mums house is built on the old scott estate at outlands i couldnt resist .
will be back soon when i have some more gossip to share
happy hunting gang
krissy ::)
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Hi everyone
Krissy :-* Off for some retail therapy myself and a little pedicure thrown in for good luck.... ;D
This thread is so fun ... wish the Waterfield's were this famous!!! ::) (well maybe they were famous around the Tavistock area hee hee)
be back later
Deb :)
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hi debs
have a nice day and dont spend too much ;) well dont know about being famous but im sure there were plenty of people talking about the waterfields in tavi and maker hee hee ;D.
this family is getting very interesting ive never googled so much :o ! catch you later deb
hugs
kriisy
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Hi back from spending ...... 8) ..... ran indoors and hid everything away so i can later pretend that I have had the stuff for ages LOL ;D
Just a silly thought ... Where did Capt. Scott's parents come up with the middle name 'FALCON' ?? have not had time to google it yet .
another note: Have we followed through on all Hannah (Cumings) Scott's siblings and their marriages and children yet????
I keep thinking that somehow this is staring us in the face .... ::) 8)
Deb
Ps .. i will go through Coonwarra's other threads and see if we have missed anything.
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hi debs,
ha ha must be a waterfield thing i do exactly the same ! hubby is quite impressed that my cloths have lasted so well all these years ;)
i havent followed through on the siblings yet a good idea tho! i think andrew is the one to ask about the middle name it is very unusual. i found some of his family in holberton and chudliegh devon, also the connection to scotland will see if i can follow up on some of them between us we may get some where.
happy hunting
hugs cousin krissy
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Hi there
Falcon does seem to be quite an unusual name - I don't know where it came from!
I have checked right through all of the records that I have and this is the only occurrence that I can find of the name.
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hi there,
just to let you know havent given up yet! been pretty busy this week will get back on the case soon
ok
hugs
krissy
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Hi Krissy
Glad to know that this investigation is still very much 'alive' (unlike most of the subject matter!!!).
Please check out the link provided earlier by the chat moderator to my other related inquiry at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238041.0.html
This gives info on a new lead worth looking at in an attempt to trace the origins of the Hammond family.
:)
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hi there,
read the other post its a start but the mid to late 1900s is gonna be a tough call, i would put a request out on the norfolk board altough the dates are vague you never know some kind chatter may well be able to get the info , you have an area so that may well narrow things down
will keep fingers crossed , i have had a look on ancestry but nothing near those dates will keep digging ok
good luck
krissy
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Hi Krissy
I believe that they moved from Dublin after the Easter rising of 1916 and stayed for a while in Bangor (they were Protestants and could no longer stay in the south of Ireland). I have no idea what became of them after that.
I believe that some of the Hammonds moved to England but whether my gt gt grandparents did or not I don't know. Unfortunately I do not know the names of the ones that went to England.
My gt grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hammond, married a Thomas Hannah in 1895 in Dublin and moved to Scotland sometime before the birth of their first child in 1899.
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Some of the Hammonds moved to England ... Have you any details of the ones that stayed in Bangor?
The 1970-1 Spectator Directory of Bangor lists six people named Hammond.
Captain Scott of the Antarctic (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=130981.msg1325643#msg1325643) on the Dublin board
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At least 2 of Mary Elizabeth Hammond's 3 sisters stayed in Ireland. They were Nellie Hammond and Florrie Hammond. As far as I can tell neither Nellie nor Florrie were married.
I don't have dates of birth for Nellie and Florrie but would guess that they were born 1860 - 1870 in Dublin. My father has told me that Florrie was still alive in 1949, by which time she was living in Belfast. Apparently there was a much older lady living with her, who was said to be 100 yrs old i.e. born around 1849ish! I don't know who the older lady could have been. It wasn't Florrie's mother, Agnes Templeton, because she is recorded as being already deceased on Mary Elizabeth Hammond's 1918 death certificate.
I don't know what became of the 3rd sister, Georgina Hammond. All I know about her is that she was born 10 Aug 1870 at Rathmines, Dublin.
Hope you enjoy a challenge!
:)
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I can't tell you anything about Scottish routes, but I am interested in finding more about Robert Falcon Scott's life in Devonport, and particularly his sailing interests. He was a great friend of a great uncle Edward Norris (known as Teddy) who was a boatbuilder in the Devonport area. Teddy and Capt. Scott sailed together on a yacht called Iverna. Does this mean anything to you or can you give me any clues as to research
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Hello Pauline,
The 1863 to 1913 D Crew lists held by the National Archives mentions a vessel called the Iverna. These lists show when and where the ships were built and registered. The lists also include the type of power used on the ships and their tonnage as well as the names of the Master and Owner. In many cases Crew Lists are available as well as voyages made by the ships. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=043-clasa&cid=-1#-1
Christopher
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according to the igi there are only 2 possibles , one in devon and one in scotland.
The IGI covers only some of the Devon parishes so, sadly, you cannot assume that "there are only 2 possibles".
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hi im new to this and i know that i am related to robert falcon scott but i dont have proof and my friends dont trust me plz help ive spent ages on google finding a family tree and this is the closest i ve come
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Hi scottiem15
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Firstly we need to establish your lineage....How do you know you are related?
Have you found any of your relations in the censuses?
Do you know your grandparents/great grandparents names?
If you can provide us with some details we may be able to follow the trail backwards.
deb :)
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oooh debs can i help ???? scott lived just up the road from my mother in milehouse plymouth , the house is now a residential home but most of the streets in the area were named after members of scotts team !!!! the gatepost to the edge of his land was actually on my mothers land ( garden lol) i did help someone else with some of this so if scottiem could give us some more info maybe i could help whoop whoop !!!
krissy
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hi krissy, i know it is a long time since you were looking at scott of the antarctic, i have recently found some information recorded by my grandmother. my great grandmother was annie scott who was married to edward clarkson wilson. my mum's godparents were arthur edward wilson and edna may scott thorburn. i know i am related to scott and suspect to edward adrian wilson too. i wonder if you could help as i am new to this but very interested? :)
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hi scottiem, i am also researching my relationship to Captain Robert Falcon Scott. my family have always told me we are related and there are both Scott's and Wilson's in my family through my maternal great grandparents. i would be happy to share any information with you. perhaps we could work together on this? :)
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Hi Rachel
Welcome to Rootschat! :) It's been a long time since we worked on the Scotts.
I have found this:
Birth Reg
Edward Clarkson Wilson
mar q 1871
Tynemouth, Northumberland
Vol 10b Pg 187
then this marriage:
Edward Clarkson Wilson = Annie Scott
jun q 1900
Toxteth Park, Lancashire
Vol 8b pg
in 1901 Edward and Annie are living with her Scott family headed by John Scott, 58, Master mariner b New Brunswick.
How far have you followed them back?
deb :)
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Hi deb
thanks so much for your help. i must confess i have wanted to trace my family tree for years but when i'm working i never find the time and when not working just as busy trying to find a job lol!
i found a baby book for my mum which contained a family history page. this is what has given me the enthusiasm. the trouble is i don't really know where to start. i have found the birth, marriage and death dates for Robert Falcon Scott and his wife Kathleen I know Robert and Kathleen had one child, how would i find out the details for their child? i suppose the next step is to find parents, siblings and children of John Scott.
i am also interested in the possible link to Edward Adrian Wilson, Scott's friend and companion on the expedition. it seems such a coincidence that i have known relatives Edward Clarkson Wilson and Annie Scott by marriage doesn't it? i was also told we were related to Scott by my family several times as i was growing up.
if you have any further advice for me it will be gratefully received. :)
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Hi Anne
I think the first thing to do is establish your family line and then try to link it to Robert Falcon Scott.
Robert F Scott was b 1869 in Devonport s/o John Edward and Hannah Scott. Both of his parents were born in Devon. John Edward Scott (robert's dad) was b 1832 in Devonport. His parents were Robert Scott (b 1793 Devon)and Ann Meyers Scott.
Your line stems from a John Scott b 1843 in New Brunswick Canada.
Where do you think they link up? what have you heard?
I will post details of your family in my next post
deb :)
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okay Anne ...are you ready ;D
1901
Toxteth Park, Lancs
16 Peel St
John SCOTT head 58 Master mariner b New Brunswick
Ann wife 49 b Liverpool
Thomas W son 29, b ditto
John B son 27, povision's clerk , b ditto
Arthur son 15, office boy , b ditto
Alfred son 9 b ditto
Herbert son 5 b ditto
Sarah dau 21 school teacher b ditto
Ada dau 19 dress maker b ditto
Mabel 13 b ditto
Joseph STEWART 46 Brother-in-law insurance agent b Ireland
Mary C wife, sister-in-law, b liverpool
Annie WILSON dau 23 b ditto
Edward C WILSON son 29, tailor cutter, b Shropshire ::) Newcastle
Joseph Stewart = Mary Catherine EDWARDS in 1896, Toxteth Park
1891
Toxteth Park
152 Windsor st
There seems to been part of the census missing ie: the parents
Thomas W SCOTT son 19 Board of trade office b Liverpool
John B son 17 Port office boy
Ann dau 13 .... this is Ann who married Edward Clarkson Wilson
Sarah dau 11 b ditto
Ada dau 8 b ditto
Arthur son 6 b ditto
Mabel E dau 3 b ditto
John EDWARDS uncle 37 painter b ditto
Eliza A Edwards, aunt 34 b ditto
more to come
deb
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1881
Toxteth Park
49 Harlow Street
John SCOTT head mar 38 Captain seaman b Canada
Ann wife 29 b Liverpool
Thomas W son 9
James son 7 b ditto ... this must be John
Anna dau 3 b Ditto ...marries edward C Wilson
Sarah dau 1 b ditto
1871 ...really bad handwriting on this image
Toxteth Park
?? st
THomas EDWARDS head 43 ?? dealer, b North Wales Ll??
Ann wife 4?, b ditto
ANN SCOTT dau 19 b ditto
JOHN SCOTT son 24 Mate b New Brunswick
Joseph Edwards son 17 Painter, b Liverpool ...he must be the John Edwards in 1901 with the Scotts
Eliza Edwards dau 14 b ditto ...she is with the SCOTTs in 1891
Thomas son 13 b ditto
William James son 10 b ditto
Mary C dau 8 b ditto ....she marries Joseph Stewart (see 1901 census)
Ann EDWARDS = JOHN SCOTT
Sept q 1870 West Derby, Lancs
Vol 8b pg 621
Hopefully ordering this marriage cert would give you John Scott's father's name and Occupation.
will see what else I can find ...
deb :)
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This is Ann's Family in 1861 ...I can't see John Scott though ...maybe he is at sea or still in Canada ..I will check
1861 Toxteth Park
28 Heath Street
Thomas EDWARDS head mar 33 House painetr b Flintshire, Milford
Ann wife 32 b Caernarvonshire Trepan?
Ann dau 10 b Liverpool ...she marries John Scott
John 7 b ditto ...he is the painter John/Joseph in other censuses
Elizabeth dau 4 b ditto
Thomas son 2 b ditto
Laura Mother wid 76 b Flintshire Car?ais
deb
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Hi again
Anne ..I just can't find a connection of your family to that of Captain Scott.
I googled Edward Adrian Wilson:
Born in Montpellier Terrace, Cheltenham on 23 July 1872
Second son and fifth child of physician Dr Edward Thomas Wilson (1832–1918) and his wife, Mary Agnes, née Whishaw (1841–1930)
He married Oriana Souper on 16 July 1901
Died 29 March 1912(1912-03-29) (aged 39), Antarctica
There is a family tree on Ancestry which had Edward Clarkson Wilson ...it seems to be well documented:
basic info:
Edward Clarkson Wilson:
1871, 22 Feb, Baptism
North Shields, Nbl.
Parents; John Wilson 1835 – 1901 and Margaret Ellis Scott 1836 – 1890
Margaret Ellis Scott:
1836, 3 Jan Baptism
Alnwick, Northumberland, England St Pauls Church
parents:Charles Scott (1809 – 1873) and Mary Charlton (1810 – 1872) both b Northumberland
Charles Scott b 1809 s/o Joseph Scott (1780 –) and Eleanor Arthur (1783 – )
John Wilson 1835, Northumberland s/o George Wilson (1813 – 1882) and Mary Ann Armstrong (1814 – 1839)
George Wilson b 1813 s/o George Wilson (1777 – 1826) and Esther Elgie (1781 – 1864)
There is more if you need it
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Hi Anne
I was looking at The birth registrations for John and Ann Scott's children ,,,
I found this interesting one:
John Bruce Scott 1873, west Derby
Then in a newspaper article:
Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, December 6, 1881
Births
SCOTT, Nov 22 at 47 Harlow street, The wife of Captain JOHN BRUCE SCOTT, a daughter.
In 1901 we have a daughter of John and Ann :
Sarah dau 21 school teacher b ditto
also in 1881 they were living at 49 Harlow Street
so now we have John Scott's full name ;D
will search some more
deb
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hi deb,
gosh what a lot of information. it will take me ages to decipher it all. i notice R F Scotts wife's maiden name was Kathleen Bruce, aka Lady Kathleen Kennett. not sure if it is any help tho'.
would it help to know my grandmother's name - Doris Annie Sogno nee Wilson to confirm the Annie Wilson nee Scott connection? my gran was born in liverpool. (sorry i haven't found her b m d dates yet)
I will spend some tonight and tomorrow working out just what information you have given me. hopefully it will all be easier by monday lol.
thanks again
Rachel :)
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Rachel >...I am so sorry ...I have been calling you Anne ...not sure why ...maybe because of Annie Scott and her mum Ann ... :-[ :-[
anyway ...I am sure you will figure out all the info ...The easiest way in the beginning is to draw a family tree ...
Can you tell me what stories you heard re Captain Scott?
The tree that I mentioned on ancestry with all the details of Edward Clarkson Wilson is the Sogno Family tree ...so it seems someone in your family has been researching for a while.
There is mention of Doris marring Hubert Sogno.
deb :)
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Hi Deb,
no problem, i've been called a lot worse lol! I have started a family tree through 'Family Tree Builder' (free version)
i think my auntie Helene Sogno's second husband James Crutchfield has been tracing the sogno family tree. i met them briefly at my brother's wedding in 2009. i will get in touch with them to see what else they have 'dug up' on the ancestors! I am sure Helene was one of the people who told me of the Captain Scott connection. Another favourite story was that James Herriot (the actor)was a childhood friend of my Mum, she had really beautiful long blonde hair and James cut if off lol!!! he is not a relative tho'.
I would really like to follow up on my father's side of the family. Dr Eric William John Brown b 21 Mar 1931, it will be his 80th birthday in a few weeks I should love to be able to show all his ancestors on a family tree at his party. his father was married twice, my father's mother died when he was only 6. His Dad was called William Brown and he was a mounted Policeman for the Met. William's second marriage was to Pat (Cushie) Brown nee Browne from Ireland. i wonder if you would mind giving me a 'kick start' for this one too. Dad has given me some old photo's, I will look them out over the weekend and see if he has labelled any of them.
Thanks so much Deb you are brill!!!
Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
I am researching a Wilson family tree for a friend and her grandfather was an Edward Clarkson Wilson, but i'm not sure if its the same man. Her mother was and Edna May Wilson. I've been trying to find them in 1911 without much luck so far. Does this seem to be the same family?
Best Wishes
Wayne
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Dear Guy
I have found that my ancestor Edward Clarkson Wilson was not the same person as the explorer. However, I had a great aunt Edna May Wilson. Married to Bruce Wilson, she had three children namely Patricia, Rhona and Pamela. I have not expanded this branch of the family as yet but they lived in Rottingdean near Brighton West Sussex UK. Let me know if you think there is a match :-)
Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
:) It is a match. My friend is Pamela Watson. I think i found your tree on Ancestry where there was a photo of Edward Clarkson Wilson. I printed it off and gave it to Pamela yesterday and she was over the moon. I wonder if, perhaps, you might like to write to her (she doesn't have a computer), if so i can give you her address - i'm sure she would love to hear from you.
Best Wishes
Wayne
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Dear Wayne
What a surprise. I haven't been in touch with Pamela, Rhona or Patricia for more than a decade. I would like you to send me Pamela's address so I can catch up. I am not sure how to do this securely on Roots Chat so I suggest you send me a message on my facebook page. Rachel Wells, my profile photo is a puppy with a pink flower! I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Rachel
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Hello, I am afraid I cannot help with any of these enquiries, however I do have an enquiry myself, which I wonder if you can help me with.
Does anyone know any details of Cpt Scotts uncles on his fathers side? Was one of them called William Scott? If so did he have a daughted called Mary Elizabeth Scott?
this would help me enourmously.
r
Ben
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hi ben,
thanks for your message. i will have a look and see what i can find. it may take a while but i thought i would let you know i am 'on the case' so to speak!
rachel
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Many thanks...to be honest I wasnt sure I had asked the right person as I am new to interacting via a forum. Mnay thanks for your help. I would mean a great deal to me!
Regards
Ben
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Hello, I am afraid I cannot help with any of these enquiries, however I do have an enquiry myself, which I wonder if you can help me with.
Does anyone know any details of Cpt Scotts uncles on his fathers side? Was one of them called William Scott? If so did he have a daughter called Mary Elizabeth Scott?
this would help me enourmously.
r
Ben
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Hi Ben
I have the following information for the immediate relatives of R F Scott:-
Robert Falcon Scott b 6 June 1868 birth place Outlands, Devonport, Devonshire England
d 29 March 1912
Third Child and elder Son of John and Hannah Scott
A younger Brother Archibald and 4 sisters, Ettie, Rose, Grace and Katherine.
m Kathleen Bruce 2 Sep 1908 to 29 Mar 1912
c one child Peter (later Sir Peter Scott)
An earlier post on rootschat also mentions a Mary Elizabeth Hammond who may be related by marriage. (page 1 third post on the page)
There are two places I recommend you continue your search namely:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and the Scott Polar Research Institute Archives.
happy searching!
Rachel
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Hi--My wife's mother was named TERRA NOVA and was nee a Scott she was born in NZ and her father was a first cousin of CAPTAIN ROBERT FALCON SCOTT , He jumped ship in NZ from a merchant ship but was reputed to have deserted from the Royal Navy prior. The family has relations in and around Looe in Cornwall. My wife's brothers have a striking resemblance to not only Captain Scott but also the grandson who we have only just seen a picture of on the net as he was in Antarctica in January this year and was in the press. Strangely enough the boys were also in the military these things are in the genes. Do not know if this is of interest to anyone out there but I think that this branch of the family may not be known due to the problems that their grandfather would of had with the Navy and therefore a black sheep. Have only joined tonight ( roots ) so do not know what happens now if indeed anything
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Only just discovered this website so sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place:L anyway I know this was a long long time ago but I though you would like to know I'm a distant relative of Robert Scott happy to answer any questions but I don't know much about the exact root I'd have to ask my nana if you we're to want more
James
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Hi Coonwarra,
I'm not sure if you are still reading posts on this forum, the original posts were some time ago.
I have been researching the same family lineage as you, my wife has Mary Elizabeth Hammond and Thomas Hannah as common ancesters with you, her mother is your cousin I think.
My research was some time ago, with memory fading and notes poor I can't quote sources, however, I have a note which says that Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton were English (possibly Yorkshire) and moved to Dublin. I also have a note which says that Mary Elizabeth and Georgina were born to a first marriage and Florence and Nellie to a second marriage (although it doesn't say if this was Thomas's or Agnes's - but might explain the 100 year old lady who could have been a stepmother). This might also explain why you can't find birth records for Florence and Nellie.
The version of the family history that I've heard is that it's Thomas Hannah who's related to Scott, but this is anything other than verified.
I would be love to hear if you've got any further with this connection, I have an interest in Scott and Plymouth and if this could tie into the family tree that would be very exciting.
Andy
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One further thought, there are a lot of street names in Plymouth named after Scottish places, particularly around the Hoe. One example of this would be the football team being called Plymouth Argyll, they used to play in Argyll Street.
Does anyone know of a particular connection between Plymouth and Scotland? Maybe something like settlement by Scots following the Jacobite Rebellion? Or maybe Highland Clearances?
Andy
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My Maiden name is Veronique Christel Scott , my father Kenneth Sydney Terry Scott was born on 18 My 1917 in Newbury , his brother Claude Eustace Scott was 4/5 years older than him , my Grandfather was Sydney Eustace Scott and was a newspaper man who worked for the local Paper in Newbury. I have an older half brother Terry Peter Kenneth Scott was born in 1946 in Newbury , his godfather was my Late dad's cousin - Peter Markham Scott. I know that my great grandfather's name was George and my dad had a cousin / uncle called Rupert and that there was an Aunt Daisy and Nel , other than that finding information is a bit skectchy and difficult as it is costly.
My paternal grandother was Ethel Emma Terry
If anyone has any information please do let me know
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If I may chip in here with a request:
Russell Coombe (1855-1933) was born in Waterford, Ireland and became a surgeon in Exeter, Devon. He claimed to be a cousin of Captain Scott, and indeed represented the Scott family at a memorial service in Exeter Cathedral.
Other surnames in his lineage are Russell, Hawkins and Beaumont. He married Eve Johnstone.
I have been unable to establish how Russell Coombe and Scott were related, and hope some kind soul will know the answer.
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Not sure if this is helpful but have a bit more information on the Dublin Hammond lineage. Florrie and Nellie were my grt grt aunts who my father believes were twins. They had a brother, Thomas Hammond (my grt grandfather), who moved to Mundesley. Florrie and Nellie moved to Mundesley from Dublin shortly before they died. Interestingly my father knew a Thomas, Nellie and Florrie and they never mentioned having any siblings.