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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: purlin on Friday 08 June 07 08:22 BST (UK)
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Trying to trace where anyone who died in Prince Edwin Street Liverpool in the year 1853 would be likely to have been buried. They were of Scottish birth. ( I don't think they were Catholic) I have looked at an index of cemeteries held by the liverpool records office,
http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=NaviTree.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqItem=352%20CEM/1/16&dsqField=RefNo
This index helps to exclude some of the local cemeteries because of the dates they were opened.
Any ideas?
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Hi Purlin
It might be worth contacting the Scottie Press website at http://www.scottiepress.org.uk/main.htm
They seem to cover the area you're looking at and have plenty of information and links.
Hope this helps!
Lynne
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Thanks for that Lynne. I have seen that site before but had forgotten about it. Yes, it could well have some relevance.
thanks very much
regards purlin
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Hi Purlin,
I looked in Liverpool St Directories for that year. I couldn't find a Prince Edward St, but I did find a Prince Edwin St. Everton.
Red :)
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Thats the one Redcop, Prince Edwin St. Everton. I think it ran from the top of Everton by the Heights down over Cazeneu St. towards Scottie Rd.
As i say I am wondering where someone living in that area and dying during 1853 would have been buried. Anfield didnt open until 1863 Kirkdale also later than 1850's, which leaves possibly ST. Mary's Walton or i think there was one called the Necropolis in the Everton or Kirkdale areas.
Thanks, Purlin.
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Hi Purlin,
ok. I will have another look when I go to the RO. It wont be for a couple of weeks, cos they close for 2 weeks this week end, for annual maintanence. I don't know off the top of my head which cemetery. I will have to ask at the RO.
Red :D
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Ta Lah,
That would be good if you would, very grateful.
Purlin
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Hey Purlin,
I'm a girlie. Girlie's don't get called Lah. ::) ;D
Red ;D
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Hey Purlin,
I'm a girlie. Girlie's don't get called Lah. ::) ;D
Red ;D
Well you ain't been down scottie road for a while then ;D
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Hiya Heyesie,
nope I don't go down Scottie Rd much. lol. I live south end. :P
Red ;D
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'Well you ain't been down scottie road for a while then' , haha that's what i was going to write, its surprising what you might get called these days.
No offence anyway, maybe i should have checked your gender first. Its funny if you go to Singapore or other spots in the east, they often refer to each other as lah, either gender, you feel quite at home.
purlin
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No offence taken Purlin. :D
I have lived in this city all my life, but I have never been called Lah! :o
Red ;D
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hi...purlin/redkop.........i`m pretty sure that prince edwin street was where the police station in st anne st is now.........they knocked down a few streets in that area in the early 1960`s.....but i may be wrong,because i`m not sure whether that area would have been classed as everton in 1853???......i`ll ask my aunty when i see her..she`s in her 80`s,and knew that area because EVERYONE went to cazzie market in the 1950/60`s.....allan
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Hi Purlin,
I havn't been to the RO yet, cos it's still closed. ::)
I have however, googled Prince Edwin St Liverpool. Lots came up, and some photo's too.
Red ;)
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It certainly wouldn't pass muster today would it. Those courts must have been terrible, especially for the large families.
yes, i also googled it and had a good look at what came up. I remember the Police Station in St. Anne St. I had an aunt who worked at Keizers near by. Prince Edwin St. I'm sure did cross Cazenu St. to wards the Scottie Rd. end I think and would have come out somewhere around the new tunnel entrance.
Perhaps your Aunt may have an idea about the burial spots then.
Regards Purlin
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Hi Purlin,
I asked at the RO today, they reckon, either Liverpool (Anfield) Cemetery, or Everton Cemetery. ???
If you give me his name, and maybe a date, if you have one, I will look in these cemetery records for you.
Red :)
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Hi ya Redcop,
Your a busy girlie! The name is John Allan, 30, journeyman joiner, b. Dumfries, married to Rebbecca Muir in Dumfries in 1843. They moved to Liverpool and had two children, Archibald Muir Allan and Alice. John died on 21 04 1853 at 24, Prince Edwin Street, Liverpool.
Thanks for your trouble
regards Purlin
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Hi Purlin,
I went back to the RO today. I found out, Everton cemetery only opened 1880. And, Anfield (Liverpool) Cemetery opened 1863, as you know. ???
So, the search is still on. ::)
I will have another look around, next time I go, which will probably be next week. ;D
I did however find a few photo's of Prince Edwin St. :o
I'm not sure if I already have your email addy. Could you pm it to me again please. ;D
Red :D
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As somebody who lived a few streets away from Prince Edwin St. I can definately say that it ran from Netherfield Road South down to Great Homer Street, from there the continueing street was Juvenal St, which crossed Cazeau St down to Scotland Road.
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jimgillbanks,
great, thanks for taking the touble to give me that information.
regards purlin
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My Crewe family lived in Prince Edwin Street, Everton & were buried in the Liverpool Necropolis 1836 -1843.
The Liverpool Necropolis in West Derby Road was also known as Low Hill Cemetery. The first burial was in Feb 1825 and the cemetery closed in Aug 1898. The cemetery burial registers are held at Liverpool Record Office.
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http://liverpool-ancestors.co.uk/cemeteryrecs.htm
see if this is any help....allan :)
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Purlin.
There is a map on this link with Prince Edwin Street is on it:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Everton/stambrose.html
Just thought it might interest you!
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Hi Purlin
I am a direct descendant of Rebecca Muir and John Allan. As well as Archibald and Alice they had another son born in Dumfries around 1852-3, Andrew Wilkinson Allan. I have quite a bit of history on the Muir side of the family but up until today didn't know what had happened to John Allan or anything about his family. I found John & Rebecca Allan today in the 1851 Liverpool Census as living at 24 Prince Edwin Street, Everton and googled that address and your message popped up!
In 1861 Rebecca, Archibald and Andrew were living back in Dumfries. Andrew Wilkinson Allan was a seaman and came to Australia and married Mary McDonald in 1876. They had 8 children and I am descended from their second child, Mary Ann Allan/Rodgers.
Would love to hear from you regarding your connection to the family.
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In 1853 could they have been buried in a churchyard instead of a cemetery?
There were a number of churches with graveyards around Prince Edwin Street then. Also St Martin's in the Fields was the parochial burial ground at one time.
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Here is a Link for Info on St Martin in the Fields Parochial Cemetery:
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/deathinthepooloflife/graveyards/STMARTIN.htm
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For photos of Prince Edwin street, please see www.inacityliving.piczo.com
Use F3 on your keyboard to search the pages.
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Thanks Ged, Pegasuss, Martin, Garstonite, RedKop, Heyesie, MissM, jimeillbanks, infact everybody who has contributed to this post.
I have been in touch with Rebval. I explained to her that i was researching deaths and possible burials in and around the Prince Edwin Street area of Liverpool on behalf of a friend of a friend! It would appear that this friend of a friend has either found the grave or has lost interest!
However Rebval has all the details now and is hot on the trail of the mysterious friend of a friend!! Perhaps she can reawaken the lost enthusiasm in him and together they may sort out the mystery. At least it looks as though she has found another relative so that's no bad thing!
Thank you all once more.