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I am trying to find details of Edward's family. He was transported to Western
Australia (Swan River Colony) Convict No. 1006 arrived on the 'Marion'
on 30/1/1852. His crime was burglary with assault. He was born ~1825.
Edward wrote several letters from the Fremantle Convict Establishment to
his "Dear Wife" He made reference to a child, a girl, possibly 'Fanney'.
A letter may have been addressed to Mrs Susan Langridge, Thurham, Kent,
near Seven Oaks. Another had "try Hiedeu, Kent near Tumbridge".
He referred to his wife's brother William, in South Australia, and to his wife's
sister Elisebeth.
Can anyone help please.
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I had started to have a look for info on this topic, but when I tried to post it was locked. Why is this?
Am I not allowed to reply? Is it just an error or some serious misdemeanour!
any how
I have found a marraige between Edward Langridgeand Susannah Reading in the DecQ 1843 Sevenoakes area.
(There is also a marriage for Elizabeth Reading DecQ 1840 Sevenoakes - her sister?)
On the 1841 census there is a Reading family living with their father, Robert. The children include Richard, Susannnah, William and Sarah. Living in Codsheath, Sevenoakes. (includes William her brother?)
I don't know if these are related or just a coincidence!
hope this may help
jane
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Hi Rozzy,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
This may be his family in 1851, transcribed as LUNGRIDGE,
1851 HO107/1613 f.108 p.17 Shoreham, Kent
part of Shoreham Village
Susanah L?NGRIDGE Lodger Mar 33 Kent Shoreham
Lydia " " Lodger 3 Kent Tonbridge
William " " Lodger 2m Kent Shoreham
Regards
Daisy
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Hi Rozzy
Have you seen the website for Fremantle Prison?
http://www.fremantleprison.com/history/ConvictsAndShips/convict_display.cfm
This lists Edward with the ship information that you gave. It also says that he was married to ANN RALPH and has one child.
Isobel
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Hullo to all who have replied. I'm afraid I don't see how I can do it
individually so please forgive this group 'hug'.
To Jane, I apologise for the locked file, I must have done that in error.
Thank you for the information on the marriage of Susannah, she certainly
could be the wife. There was only one reference to 'Susan' in an address.
To Daisy Petal, thanks for your welcome :))
This could certainly be his family, although he didn't seem to know that he
might have had a son who would have been born after his imprisonment.
The age of the daughter fits.
To Stuizzy, thanks for the website and yes, I have all the Fremantle Prison
information. Edward and Ann (Ralph) had 8 children in Western Australia,
so it appears he 'married' her here. (I am in Western Australia!).
His records showed that he had a wife and child, and the prison has cheated
a little and retrospectively called her 'Ann' because she was his wife here.
Edward wrote letters to his 'Dear Wife' from the prison, and referred to
a daughter perhaps called 'Fanney'. (writing very difficult to read in places).
There was a photocopy of something that could have been an envelope address;
to "Mrs Susan Langridge Thuram Kent near Seven Oaks", and another part said,
"try Hiedeu Kent near Tumbridge".
I wonder what happened to Susan and the children, as she did not reply to
his letters. He makes reference to that in his letters, as he pleads with her to
go and see the 'gentlemen' and have them prove his innocence! He continually asked her to come out to Western Australia, but it appears she didn't.
Edwards parents were possibly Joseph and Binni (Pinner) Langridge.
Thank you all for your researching so far
Rozzy
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Am struggling to find anything in the 1841/1851 census that fits the information you have given.
The place with the nearest spelling to Thuram is Thurnham but that is near Maidstone not Sevenoaks.
As to Hiedeu, I'm just not sure - Hildenborough??
Is there any chance you could scan parts of the envelope so we try to work out the handwriting?
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1861 census RG9 487 folio 82
Shoreham Village Kent
George Seyman 42 Otford Kent Head Married Ag Lab
Susan Seyman 43 Shoreham Kent Wife Married Deaf
Lydia Langridge 13 Tonbridge Kent daughter
Marriages Dec 1857
Langridge Susan Bromley 2a 347
Seeman Henry Bromley 2a 347
SUSAN LANGRIDGE
HENRY SEEMAN
Marriage: 11 OCT 1857 Orpington, Kent
1871 census RG10 808 folio 141
Female Convict Prison Woking Surrey
Susannah Seaman 51 Shoreham, Kent, Convict Widow Charwoman
Deaths Dec 1880
Seaman Susannah 62 Sevenoaks 2a 319
READING, Susanna
Christening Date:2 Aug 1818 Shoreham, Kent
Father:Robert READING
Mother:Lydia
LANGRIDGE, George Edward
Christening Date:7 Jul 1845 Tonbridge, Kent BTs
Father:Edward LANGRIDGE
Mother:Susan
Regards
Valda
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Dear Bearkat
Right after sending you a message re not being able to see "attach a ..."
after having checked "reply" on all the posts, I fell over the correct format
only when I returned to the original list (!)
So, it exists, and you need to know that I found it. Thanks!!
Now all I have to do is create a small enough pic....
Regards
Rozzy
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I am attempting to attach a pdf showing the town names.
I will send another separately so that it does not make a too big an
attachment.
Thanks!
Rozzy
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The second pdf. Hope these help.
Thanks,
Rozzy
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Hello
I have had a look at the pdfs.
From the names i think I can see
Hastings
( he has 2 sisters- who got him into trouble)
Elizabeth (his wife's sister- patching up a quarrel?))
East Peckham George Ellis ( who he will visit when his time is up and he will speak for himself)
miss Groves and rebeca culey?? (remember him to them)
little old fanny? (take care and should like to see IT?)
George Ellis (b1817)and his wife Patience live in East Peckham on the census 1851, he is a grocer. Now do you think that maybe this was the person who Edward committed the crime of burglary with assault on!!? That is why he wants to see him when he gets back to say sorry. As from the tone of his letter it seems his sisters may have urged him to do this and been involved in some way.
There are quite a few Groves people living in the Tonbridge area, but I could not find one living with Rebecca.
I am wondering about "little Old fanny". Why does he call her IT? maybe it is an object and not his daughter. In the sentence before and throughout the letter he is obsessed by his fiddle. He wants his wife to look after it, when she gets it from Hastings with his music and he has a new one in prison.
Could this be a nickname for his fiddle?!?
I have no idea abou Hied_u? could it be Higher ? as he seems to spell most words phonetically
(I live near a road called Higher Dewar and this has awful spellings in modern times!) I have lived all my life in Kent and am still stumped.
Just a few thoughts
Jane
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Hi Jane and Valda, thanks for all the info.
Yes, there are always more questions than answers unfortunately....
Edward professed his innocence continually, and wanted his wife to
go and see people to sort it all out. I'll try to scan the rest of his letters.
I never thought of Fanney being the fiddle!! He does make reference
to 'my little girl' and 'the child', at other times. He was pretty annoyed
at not getting any replies from his wife, or having his fiddle and music book
sent out. Apparently he used the new fiddle to entertain his family and friends in his 'new life' in WA.
The road called Higher Dewar - does/did it go to a place called that?
Maybe it was the road that he was referring to - phonetically it is close.
Looks like a brick wall!
Thanks,
Rozzy
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I've just had a look at the letter.
I wondered if Try Hiedue was Ivy Hatch (using a lot of imagination here ;D)
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hello
The road called High Dewar is very sort with a row of victorian houses down one side and used to have a cowfield on the other (now local authority housing). It used to be a dead end with allotments, but now lots and lots of houses!
It is in Rainham, kent and I don't know why it has this name at all (no one called Mr Dewar!)
Your so lucky to have letters from Edward. I wonder where he lived when he returned - perhaps that will give us a clue.
Did he return in 1853?
I will have a look in 1861 (or anyone else! I don't mind)
bye for now.
Jane
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hello
can't find Edward, but maybe he had not returned by then.
I had started to look for George Edwrd Langridge who Valda had posted as the son of Edward and Susan.
At Speldhurst, Tonbridge on the 1861 census I have found at the Coach and Horses Inn
George Langridge serv unm age14 inn sevant b tonbridge wells
with
George Groves 41 Victualler
Caroline Elliot housekeeper and her son William age 3
Ann ? a servant and Fanny Woodgate servant both unm aged20
Fanny Ditton 34, George Ditton25 and Richard Dittod age 11 months as lodgers
Fanny Groves Sister unm age 31
If this is our Edward's son, could this be the Miss Groves his dad (Edward) refers to in his letters?
or is it just a coincidence? Am I getting excited about nothing?
On the sheet it also says ther are 14 males and 4 females at the Inn and they are listed on p 42. But p42 is the last page and just has details about the enumerator - or does it mean something else.
Perhaps someone could have a look to clarify.
bye Jane
Rg9 piece491 folio55page30
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Births Sep 1845
LANGRADGE George Edward Tonbridge 5 486
LANGREDGE George Edward Tonbridge 5 486
all potential death registrations
Deaths Mar 1849
Langridge George Sevenoaks 5 349
Deaths Sep 1847
Langridge George Tonbridge 5 379
Langridge George Tonbridge 5 372
Deaths Mar 1849
LANGRIDGE George Tonbridge 5 405
Deaths Jun 1849
LANGRIDGE George Tonbridge 5 405
Deaths Dec 1849
Langridge George Tonbridge 5 377
George Langridge in Tonbridge on the 1861 census is still there in 1871 giving an age of 26 and still stating his birthplace was Tunbridge Wells. Ditto 1881 census.
Regards
Valda
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On the sheet it also says ther are 14 males and 4 females at the Inn and they are listed on p 42. But p42 is the last page and just has details about the enumerator - or does it mean something else.
Perhaps someone could have a look to clarify.
bye Jane
Rg9 piece491 folio55page30
The last page lists the ages and sex of the people at the inn from page 30. All born England, county not stated.
Certainly an odd entry but looks promising.
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Hi Valda, Jane and Bearkat
I had no knowledge of a possible son (George) until this research, so all
of this is a surprise. The letters only referred to the daughter, so presumably
Edward didn't know about a son, which could mean he was born
about 1850.
I was hoping to find out more about Edward's parents, but a Joseph
and Binni(e) are not showing up in Kent, maybe they stayed in Brighton
where Edward was born. (I'll check there).
I don't know if Edward returned to England for a short time after 1853, he
threatened to!! He and his 'new wife' Ann Ralph (Irish immigrant -still trying to work her out!!) started having a family in 1856 - 8 children - and both are
buried together in WA.
Yes, possibly the Groves family is the one Edward mentioned, so that
could be our George.
However, I think we've exhausted the possibilities (?). If you agree,
I thank you all for your wonderful research and we'll leave it there.
Thanks so much
Rozzy
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Hi Rozzy
Do you know any more about Edward's ancestry before he went to Australia? I'm hunting for the parents of a James Langridge, born in Tunbridge Wells in about 1824. I have quite a lot of information on him after that but haven't been able to find any record of his birth. Could there be a link to your branch of the Langridge clan??
Regards
Katie
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Hi Katie
Edward has been difficult to track down unfortunately. He was born in
Brighton, and apparently moved to Kent at some stage. It appears that
this is where his wife lived.
Another thread, in the Sussex Completed Lookup Requests, covers his
parents Joseph and Binnie, in Brighton.
There are quite a few Langridges in Kent, so it would probably be wise to
start a new topic with your question. I'll keep an eye on any replies on this,
and if I can see any connection will get in touch again.
Good luck with your research!!
Regards,
Rozzy