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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: garethgriffiths on Monday 04 June 07 22:01 BST (UK)
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Hello, maybe one for Old Rowley? I am looking for a date on this 3d image that I secured on a popular auction site recently. Maybe the clothes will help or the Admission 6d entrance price on the left turnstile. How does this compare say with football prices for Stoke City or Port Vale the local teams?
Oh yes, what on earth did they call these photo types?
thanks Gareth
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Forgot to ask does anyone know where the gates went to?
Gareth
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Hi Gareth :)
Usually just called "stereo-views" or "stereo-cards"...they were designed for use with a stereoviewer but if you're like me and can go cross-eyed, you can usually make them work without a special apparatus!
I think this is one for OR who could determine a date from the clothes hopefully, but I can tell you that stereo-cards were extremely popular in the 1860s and 70s, though I have seen them from as late as the 1890s and possibly even later.
Prue
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deleted, as I see you've already answered my questions!
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Gareth, are the gates the public entry to Clough Hall, the stately home?
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Hi Prue, As I live around the corner from this place....
the entrance is to the Clough Hall pleasure grounds that were created there at some date. Clough Hall mansion as you put it was on the estate and around the corner too. Bourne Cottage behind the left turnstile is still there today. Thanks for the info as well,
The alterations of Clough Hall Mansion to The Paradise of the Potteries occurred just before the turn of the century. The mansion became a theme park that was visited by hundred from all over.
regards Gareth
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My first thoughts on this staged picture is that there really is nothing in the way of clues for dating this to be taken from the clothing that is being worn. The three teenagers on the right are all wearing working clothes, boots/trousers (with the knees "pulled" out from being worn alot)/ jackets (in one case too small for the owner) and waistcoat and muffler around the neck topped off with a flat cap. But looking at it more closely the lad at the rear of this grouping appears to be wearing a sack coat as his jacket is fastened by the top button only and the fall and cut of the jacket resembles that of a coat of this style. Looking over to the adult who is standing outside the gate house he is wearing a low felt hat and the bottom of his jacket has rounded edges and comes up to an inverted v when fastened. Therefore I would give a date of some where between 1880-1895.
In relation to the gates I can only assume that they disappeared during the 2nd ww when the cry went out for metal for turning into spitfires and the like (a total waste of time as it turned out as most of the metal collected was of poor quality and could not be used and for many it meant the loss of railings around graves, houses and unfortunately some ornate metal gates were to disappear as well).
old rowley
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Many thanks once again Old Rowley, your knowledge on this subject truely amazes me in terms of detail and accuracy. I really wish I could look at photgraphs in the same way that you do studying the many varied aspects of what you see before you. Just one question what is a sack coat was it literally a coat made from sack cloth?
Thanks once again, regards Gareth
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Hi Gareth,
The sack coat is said to have drawn its name from the fact that it was loose and shapless in cut and at times ill fitting as a sack would be if worn as a piece of clothing. The material used to fashion the coat from could be tweed/homespun/wool or linen fabric. Whilst styles came in hounds tooth/plain/small checks/ narrow stripes and plaid all mostly in dark colours.
Since my last posting I have found out that Clough Hall Estate was purchased in 1890 by a Manchester Company and turned into a pleasure park and in 1927 the house was demolished.
old rowley
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I'm at present writing a history of Kidsgrove which will include that of Clough Hall Park and Pleasure Gardens. This enterprise opened in early 1890 , had a cap in 1894 when it seemingly didn't open and finally closed in 1907, the fitments being auctioned off in early 1907. Therefore your fascinating photo of the entrance turnstyles in the Avenue Kidsgrove must be tween those years. When and if my book gets published, I would be interested to know whether you could let me use your picture as an illustration, as our local library, which has a collection of local photos, does not include this one. Regards, Philip R. Leese.
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Hi Philip and welcome to RootsChat...How interesting....when you have made 3 posts you can send a personal message to Gareth, you do this by clicking in the text icon beneath his name.
Carol
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Hi Phil
I purchased this photo off a popular commercial website to saved it just for your sort of proposal, I am a member of 'your' library and am at 21 CHRd.
The pic is on staffs past track also but I would like natter with you on Goldenhill too. No problem with using it, just wondered if gates were reused nearby opp Wade school or close by corner Boathorse rd.?
Gareth
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Well, well. For some reason I thought you were in North Wales, rather than just round the corner! I hope my reply was of some use, though it doesn't get us down to a specific year. Closer examination and maybe some knowledge about costume history might pin it down a little closer. If you want to pop round, I'm in Ravenscliffe Road, though it's as well to check if I'm in ( (*)) or catch me in the Library after my local history class which breaks up at 12:30 on Tuesdays. Regards, Philip.
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I believe the two pillars either side of the Clough Hall turnstile entrance are now either side of the entrance to the Kidsgrove Memorial Garden; check out that circle or dimple on both pillars.
Gareth.
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I wish to contact Philip Leese on the subject of Military History in Goldenhill/Kidsgrove and the Rifleman Inn. I am a member of the Goldenhill Memories Group but my abode is somewhat distant - in Canberra, Australia. Can we chat via Messenger on Facebook? Alan J Jones
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Just a b&w edition, not in stereo