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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Robert_Marr on Thursday 24 May 07 18:59 BST (UK)
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Hi,
If there is anyone who lives near Kirkdale Cemetery and has access to a digital camera I was wondering if they would be so kind as to take a photograph for me. I have at least one ancestor who is buried there but is unfortunately in a public lot. Although that means there is no headstone I would just like a photograph for my records and also just so I can see what it looks like.
Thanks
Robert
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Robert,
I've been to Kirkdale cemetery once. I was looking for several ancestors that are buried there, unfortunately I didn't find a single one as the cemetery is totally massive!
Lee
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Hi Lee,
Unfortauntely I have never been there myself but someone kindly looked for me. They were able to look through the records there to find out the burial information which is just as well as looking about in a massive cemetery for a headstone that doesn't exist would have been a waste of time.
Cheers
Robert
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Hi Robert,
I don't live nearby, but not too far away.
I don't mind going for you if you give me names and the grave refs.
Red :)
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Hi Red,
If you aren't going for anything else then it doesn't matter as I don't want to take you out of your way. There is no specific plot I am looking for as my ancestor was buried in public grave. It was just a general shot of the cemetery itself. Strange I know but as I cannot get there I would just like some sort of idea of where she is buried.
Thanks very much for your kind offer.
Cheers
Robert
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Hi Robert,
no problem.
If you know when she died, and we know she is in Kirkdale, I will look for the details next time I go to the RO, if you like. If you just want general photo's of the cemetery, I can do that too. Let me know what you want.
Red ;D
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Hi Red,
Thank you. That would be very much appreciated. Mary Marr, ms Robinson, was my great great grandmother and her family were quite tragic. Mary lost 2 children during infancy during the 1880s then in the 1890s she died in her early 30s, her husband died in his early 30s and her youngest son died aged 5 leaving only two children- one of whom was my great granfather who died when he was 28 in Scotland. Mary and the two younger children all died in Liverpool whereas the rest died in Scotland after Mary's death. I've put more information concerning Mary up on here (http://www.ofscotsdescent.co.uk/f001_p042.html).
Someone very kind person looked up Mary's death previously at Kirkdale Cemetery and sent me the following information if this helps:
Kirkdale Cemetery, Register No. 19254, C of E, buried July 8th 1894, Mary Marr, age 32, 92 Rockingham St, Kirkdale, Public Grave Section 18 Grave No. 1131. As it was a public, rather than a private grave, I did not look up the childrens' earlier burials. They too would have been in public graves. However, also in the same grave as Mary Marr were 3 young, unrelated children from the Everton/Kirkdale area, & one of her neighbours - Samuel Gabriel, 43, labourer, 38 Rockingham St Kirkdale. He was buried on the 15th July.
As a result I doubt there is much to photograph to be honest. It is a shame as I did hope the children would be with their mother but times are different now. Any photograph would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again,
Robert
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Hi Robert,
no problem. I will be going either Monday, or next weekend, weather permitting. I will let you know of my find as soon as I'm back.
Red :D
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Thanks red.
That is really appreciated.
Robert
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Hi Robert,
I havn't forgotten the cemetery visit. It hasn't been very good cemetery weather this week. :(
As soon as the weather brightens up, I will go. I have other cemetery photo's to do for other RC peeps, so will do them all together. :D
Red :D
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Hi Red,
Thanks for letting me know and please just whenever suits you. It's not the July weather we were hoping for.
Cheers
Robert
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Here is a map of Kirkdale Cemetery which will help finding the general area of the grave. Some of the public graves will have been marked with a brick in the ground containing the grave number so if you can find anyone of the cemetery workers they may be able to pinpoint the location for you. I found my g grandfather and gg grandfather in Anfield cemetery this way even though the bricks were well covered with mud / grass.
Jan
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c336/beathogs/kirkdale.jpg)
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Hi Jan,
Thanks very much for that map. It looks like a big cemetery indeed.
Robert
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Hi Robert,
I havn't forgot to go. The weather has been so bad. And, my family wont let me go on my own.
I hope to go next week, all depends on the weather. ::) ::) ::)
Red :)
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Hi Red,
Not a problem and very much appreciated. If you do get the chance then for me it will be bonus. In the meantime I'll keep looking in when I'm on Rootschat.
Cheers
Robert
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Hi Robert,
just to let you know, I havn't forgotten the cemetery pics I promised you.
I was intending to go last week end. I did a couple of other cemeteries for other Rootschat peeps, then was going to go to Kirkdale. I didn't realise it was so far away :o
I will still go for you, but it will have to be when I havn't got another one to do. ::)
I wont let you down. I promise. ;D
Red :D
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Hi Red,
No problem at all, please take your time. I'm in no rush so just when you feel like it and are planning to be in the area. Anything is appreciated.
All the best,
Rab
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Hi Robert
I have just found my Gt Grandmother's burial record for Kirkdale Cemetery and this is the first time I have come across a Public grave. It is very close to your ancestor being Section 18, grave 1138. I didn't realise the significance of a public grave until after visiting Kirkdale and finding no headstone, I wrote to Liverpool City Council and had a reply back telling me the grave is a public grave with multiple interments within it.
Has anyone else come across this situation? In section 18 where the grave should be there is just a strip of grass running from one side of the section to the other and now I am thinking all the graves in this row must be public. On the plan I have all these graves have a thick black line next to the number. Does anyone know if this denotes a public grave?
thanks
Diane
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Public graves are single interments. The family pay for a single burial rather than buying the whole plot. It was a very common practice and did not mean that the families were all short of money. I think it was more acceptable in the old days not to have a gravestone. They chose to spend their money on other things instead. If they thought it was important enough I'm sure they could have gathered the money together. I have a lot of people in public graves that came from big families it mustn't have been an issue to them.
Blue