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Im looking for anything on a Arthur James Norris whose parents were Wallace and Eliza. Arthur was born 21st July 1902 in Huntspill and died in Oxfordshire. if anyone can tell me anything about him or his parents and family i would be very grateful Many thanks.
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Hi Jamajo,
I can see his parents on the 1901 census - any use?
RG13/2286 74 6
Huntspill, Somerset
5 Chapel Lane
4 rooms occupied
Wallace Norris, head, 33, Road Foreman, b. Edington Burtle
Eliza, wife, 35, b. Shapwick
Edith A, dau, 9, b. Chilton Burtle
Albert G, son, 8, b. Huntspill
Minnie, dau, 5, b. do.
Ernest W, son, 1, b. do
Frederick G, son, 2 mo, b. do.
Tanja :)
Let me know if you want previous census for Wallace
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Hi
Thanks for doing that so quickly.Iwould be really interested in anything else you can find for me. It will help me maybe piece the family together. Many thanks.
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1891
RG12/1887 19 14
Chilton Upon Polden, Somerset
Farm House
Jane Grant, head, wid, 60, living on own means, b. Catcott
Gilbert Grant, son, s, 20, Agricultural Labourer, b. Edington
Wallace Norris, cousin, mar, 23, Agricultural labourer, b. do.
Eliz Norris, cousin, mar, 25, b. Shapwick
I can see a marriage Wallace Norris - Eliza Norris in March quarter 1891, Bristol, but I can't see a matching Eliza Norris earlier. Maybe he was widowed? (Or it's just not the right marriage)
1881 Wallace is a Farm servant
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18694436
RG11/2416 13 19
1871
RG10/2391 48 15 & 16
Edington Moorlinch, Somerset
Cottage
Albert Norris, head, 27, Ag lab, b. Edington
Sarah A, wife, 28, b. Huntspill?
Ann, dau, 4, b. Sussex Ringmer
Wallace, son, 3, b. Edington
James, son, 2, b. do.
Earnest, son, 1 mo, b. do.
(here are the parents in 1881: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18538682)
Birth registration June quarter 1868 Bridgwater 5c 457
Wallis Norris
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Dear Sue
My husband’s Grandmother was Mary Whitcombe and she was born in Meare. There are dozens of Whitcombe, Witcombe and various spellings through out the villages and as I live close to the records office in Taunton they were a challenge for me!
6 Joseph Witcombe was baptised at Shapwick 13 Feb 1829. He married Jane Hucker in the Bridgwater Reg Dist between April and July 1855. I would imagine that they married in Shapwick as this was where they both came from. Jane's parents were Henry Hucker a farm labourer born abt 1806 and Maria born abt 1810 (from the 1851 census) both at Othery.
Joseph, Jane and family were living at St Anns Logde Burnham on Sea in 1861, Joseph was a labourer/gardner. By 1871 they were back at Shapwick. They had the following children…
Mary Ann Witcombe baptised at Shapwick 4 May 1856
George Witcombe baptised at Shapwich 23 May 1858, although the census do give his place of birth as Burnham
Charlotte aged 1 month at the time of the 1861 census, born at Burnham
Albert b 1863 at Shapwick, his death was registered in the Bristol Reg Dist 1902
Eliza b 1866 Shapwick
William b 1867 Shapwick
Anna Maria born June Q 1870 died March Q 1874
Elizabeth b 1873 Shapwick
Joseph Witcombe was buried at Shapwick 27 Feb 1892.
5 Joseph was the son of James Witcombe born in Shapwick abt 1801 and died in 1879. He married Charlotte Davis at Shapwich 15 April 1828. She died in 1848
Children…all born at Shapwick
Elizabeth 1834
William b 1836
Sophie bp 31 July 1841
Maria bp 22 Jan 1843
James bp 19 April 1846
4 James was the son of James Witcombe and Mary Young
Groom James Witcomb status – of otp, – Bride Mary Young status – of otp, – married on 23 Oct 1786 at parish Shapwick by banns
3 James Witcombe was the son of James Witcombe born abt 1764 and Mary Dowden
2 James was the son of John Witcombe b 1741 and died 1769, his wife was Betty unknown
1 John was the son of John Witcombe who died at Compton Dundon in 1765
Most of the earlier records were researched by Steve Whitcombe who my husband was at school with. The baptism dates come from the parish records. The family came from Compton Dundon as far as we have gone back. Many of them are on my family tree on Ancestry.com. Hope this makes sense!
There is a group for the Witcombe family at
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/witcombe/
Best wishes Heather
ps Sorry if you have received this twice, not sure if you receive a thread from a completed look up!
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Hi Heather,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, been away all weekend. Thanks for all this its going to be a great help. I can now piece together my family tree.
Kind regards
Sue
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Thanks Les ;)
If anyone can find the parents of Albert Norris b 1844 in Edington i would be very grateful :)
I believe he married a Sarah Ann Gullidge. As you can see from above i need to get back further :)
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Chilton Polden and Edington are only 1 mile apart, and this is the only boy I can see:
1851
HO107/1925 556 23
Chilton Polden, Somerset
John Norris, head, 40, Turf Merchant, b. Edington
Sarah, wife, 34, b. do.
Jane, dau, 15, b. Chilton
Wm, son, 12, b. do.
Albert, son, 6, b. do.
Frederick, son, 5, b. do.
Louisa, dau, 3, b. do.
:D
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Oh Tati thats great thanks :D :D :D
I couldnt find that when i searched ???
Sue
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Hello both,
John and Sarah there have Albert 1844
There is also a Nancy Norris abt 1809 in 1851
with Lucy 16
Joanna 11
Genella 6
Albert 4
Could Nancy and John be sib's.... I'm looking for the 'cousin' Grant link.....
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just looking in ;D
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Ah ha.... so Nancy isn't Norris 'till she married Aaron.... says unm on 1851... :D
so is Aaron, John's bruv....
1841 Burnham S/set
HO107 932 8 11
Aaron 29
Nancy 25
Lucy7
Harry5
Joanna 1
OO Hello Toni ~ have you come to play ;D
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does this help?
some names missing of the page
Marriages 1872 Q3 Taunton 5c 595
Knight Ann
Norris Aaron
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:D OM Gosh they should keep this smiley.... :D
I've looked for Grant/Norris marriages and tried to follow them in census.... :D :D
There are a lot of submitted entries along this route Sue.... :-\ :-\
Added... That looks like a cont name... something somewhere... ;)
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Thanks Les and Toni for your help :D :D
Looks like im going to be busy with the Norris family :D :D
Sue
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i didnt really help, i think Tati did moe
i have been really busy with other stuff but if you let me know where this thread is at i wil look some more for you
:)
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Hi Toni,
Thats nice of you thanks and yes Tati was a really good help on here :D
Blimey to be honest i have got no further with these than whats posted :o :o They are proving to
be a bit difficult to trace so anything at all would be helpful, just going to try to sort my paperwork
out on this family again :D :D I need to see about this Grant Les looked for and maybe find out
some more :D :D
Sue
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Ancesctry.com has a Witcomb/Haines tree posted. I am very interested in contacting the author. I am a descenant of Randolph Witcomb and a 2nd cousin once removed of Joan (I think) Haines.
I would be happy to supply some old Witcomb photos and would like to learn as much about the tree as possible.
Roger
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1891
RG12/1887 19 14
Chilton Upon Polden, Somerset
Farm House
Jane Grant, head, wid, 60, living on own means, b. Catcott
Gilbert Grant, son, s, 20, Agricultural Labourer, b. Edington
Wallace Norris, cousin, mar, 23, Agricultural labourer, b. do.
Eliz Norris, cousin, mar, 25, b. Shapwick
I can see a marriage Wallace Norris - Eliza Norris in March quarter 1891, Bristol, but I can't see a matching Eliza Norris earlier. Maybe he was widowed? (Or it's just not the right marriage)
1881 Wallace is a Farm servant
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18694436
RG11/2416 13 19
1871
RG10/2391 48 15 & 16
Edington Moorlinch, Somerset
Cottage
Albert Norris, head, 27, Ag lab, b. Edington
Sarah A, wife, 28, b. Huntspill?
Ann, dau, 4, b. Sussex Ringmer
Wallace, son, 3, b. Edington
James, son, 2, b. do.
Earnest, son, 1 mo, b. do.
(here are the parents in 1881: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18538682)
Birth registration June quarter 1868 Bridgwater 5c 457
Wallis Norris
Just wondered if anyone can fill in any marriages etc on the above children :D
Sue
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will have a lil' look :)
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Births Jun 1871 NORRIS Ernest Albert Bridgwater 5c 427
(Aged 1 on 1871 census)
Deaths Mar 1875 NORRIS Ernest Albert aged 3 Bridgwater 5c 366
:'(
however this looks like his parents etc in 1891
RG12; 1887; 38; 13;
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Thanks Toni, Im slowly getting there with this family ;D ;D
Off to have a look at the 1891 ;D
Sue
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Ann is not with her parents in 1891 :-\
here is her birth
Births Dec 1866 Norris Ann Lewes 2b 159
this COULD be her marriage
Marriages Jun 1885 Bridgwater 5c 623
Cox John Henry
Giblett James Keen
NORRIS Ann
POCOCK Annie
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shes not with her parents in 1891
Bridgwater is the reg area where the family lived
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here is James birth
Births Dec 1869 Norris James Bridgwater 5c 413
**** no middle name
he is with parents in 1891
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That looks like its possibily the marriage for Ann, right area so looks good ;D ;D
Pity i cant link this lot to Les ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Toni :)
Sue
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James married Bertha Moxey
marriage
Dec 1892 Bridgwater 5c 639
Clarke Joseph
Cox Mary Ann
Moxey Bertha
Norris James
in 1901
RG13; 1972; 21; 33.
:)
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i just can't find Ann under Norris or the other surnames for the possible marriage :-\
i wonder if she died between getting married and the next census - a death i havent looked for
i did look for her as born in Edington Somerset as well as Ringmer Sussex incase she didnt know she was born Ringmer as from the age of well certainly 4 she is in Somerset
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Your a star Toni :D :D :D
Norris and Cox on same page ;D ;D
Dont tell Les ;D ;D
Sue
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just going to say that :)
have to go offline now but havent fully checked out the possibilites ofthis being Lily (from the 1891 census)
Marriages
Jun 1902
Norris Lilly Bridgwater 5c 571
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I wiz playing with this.... :o
Marriages Jun 1851 bridgewater 10 67
ATWELL Anna
Bisgrove Louisa
Cox Ann
Grant James
Howe George
Norris Phoebe
Pursey James
Wood Isaac
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Thanks for all your help Toni :D :D
You have helped me so much so im off searching ;D ;D
Sue
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here is Lily in 1901 (a servant)
RG13; 2318; 93; 27
and Albert (with Sarah) and some children RG13; 2286; 137; 8.
really have to go now
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Ok phew.... James married Bertha Moxey going by the 1901 census and lived in Blandford, Dorset.
RG13 / 1972 / 21 / 33
Panic over Les ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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:P Just saving this to check out....
Marriages Jun 1903
Moody Annie Mabel
Norris Wallace Wellington
Shepton M. 5c 905
Gotta go find a site where Moody and Norris are in Knowle Hill/ er... Henley way..
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:D Here it is.....
http://hashman.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=hashman&view=22&pg=0&lmt=100&dtl=0&sb=0&rand=837890169&sl=N
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That looks interesting, thanks Les ;D ;D
Sue
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Have you got any of these...
NORRIS FAMILY papers DD\X\BAB/5Probate of wills of Thos. {Thomas?} Norris of Edington, pr. 1884; Alf. {Alfred?} Norris of Edington, pr. 1922; Mary L Norris of Harpenden, co.Herts, 1922 (Alf. {Alfred?} G. Barber executor), with papers relating to the executorship of the estates, incl. Date range: 1865 - 1923.
Source: Access to Archives (A2A): not kept at The National Archives
Online Document IR 26/291Will of George Norris Edington in the parish of Moorlinch, Somerset . Proved in the Court of Bath and Wells . Will of George Norris Edington in the parish of Moorlinch, Somerset . Proved in the Court of Bath and Wells Date: 1811.
Source: DocumentsOnline (images of documents from The National Archives)
MOORLINCH deeds, etc. DD\OB/77Two houses at Edington Burtle, belonging to Norris family. Probate of will of Matthew Norris of Edington, labourer, 1834, pr. 1837, and copy will of his son, Matthew of Westhay in Meare, 1844. Deeds apparently placed as security for loan with administrators Date range: 1834 - 1844.
Source: Access to Archives (A2A): not kept at The National Archives
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Get the National Archives site up.
Documents online section.
Feed in that info in red.
Pay up £3.50 I think.
It will download into your PC straight away. ;D
Looks like the other stuff need a visit...
All down to Somerset then... Loverly after school drive... ;D ;D
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Marriages Mar 1891
Lydiard Fanny
Norris Eliza
Norris Wallace
Powell Maurice
Bristol 6a 103
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Marriages Mar 1887
CURRY Henry James
Hellard Eliza Jane
Norris Michael Henry
WHITCOMBE Eliza
Bridgwater 5c 516
Is this the first marriage, giving Eliza the Norris surname ??? I'll see if I can find Micheal Henry...
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Deaths Mar 1890
Norris Michael Henry 2[9_]
Wells 5c 412
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Your right Les :)
Wonder who Michael was ???
Going to try and find John b 1811 in 1841 :)
Sue
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;D Found this in 1871.... didn't get the ref........ :-[
Silver Street
Henry Norris 56 Head Sadler of Trowbridge Wilts
?? scribble?? 55 wife
Henry M 11 Scholar
Albert C 8
Annie I 6
Julia Hutton Serv 24
no b/p's other than head.... :-X typical......
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Blimey.. I cant even find John in 1841 ???
Wonder if he was married before as well ???
Did you see post from OMI Les ;D ;D
Sue
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;D ;D ;D Yes I did see it.... :o :o wow.... ;D
Marriages Jun 1865
French George
Norris Al_er * is this your Albert ???
Wills Sarah
Bridgwater 5c 739
I'll look for Sarah Gullidge
Here she is:-
Marriages Jun 1865 Bridgewater 5c 759
Gullidge Sarah Ann
Tucker Sarah Joan
Turner Benjamin Payne
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Found marriage for Alberts dau
Jun 1899 Miranda Norris to William Richard A Lockyer at Bridgewater
Vol 5c Page 627
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:D It says Albert on the scan........ :D
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And this marriage for Albert's son
Jun 1897 Ambrose Norris to Claudia Mary Durston at Bridgewater
Vol 5c Page 599
Its looking good then if Albert on scan ;D ;D ;D
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just going to say that :)
have to go offline now but havent fully checked out the possibilites ofthis being Lily (from the 1891 census)
Marriages
Jun 1902
Norris Lilly Bridgwater 5c 571
Cant find this marriage that Toni found ???
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I added Sarah's ref to Albert's post
Albert 739 Sarah 759.
Looking at the scan's ~ Sarah's is the clearer.
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Thats great Les, thanks ;D ;D
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Where are you getting those names from... :-\ I must of missed something.... ;)
I'll look for John and Sarah now... do you have any nee' idea for sarah...
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No nothing at all for that marriage Les :(
Was hoping to find him in 1841 to see if there was a clue but cant find them ???
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I gave up looking for them at Midnight.......... B**ers >:(
:o Then had an idea at abt 3am.... :o
Here they are :-
NOORIS
1841 Chilton Polden Moorlinch S/set HO107 964 6 6 Whitley hundred.
John 25 Ag Lab
Sarah 25
Jane 5 (looks like)
William 3
Louisa 9 months
All Y
Next door the Grant family..... ;)
Sarah 35
Robert 14
James 11
Frederick 6
Eliza 7 months
All Y
and a Joseph Fox 16 Y
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Saving post..... John s/o William and Mary C083581 ;D TBC
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Morning Les :) :)
3am...... You even dream of these Norris's then ;D ;D ;D
Well done , i couldn't find John in 1841 and the way names spelt i see why :)
Grants next door as well, wonderful, thanks :D :D
Sue
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Playing with William and Mary....
1841 Moorlinch (Edington) HO107 964 11 16
William Norris 55 Y =1786 Army P
Mary 45 (F)
Robert 9
Could be him here... ???
Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents WO 97/564/113WILLIAM NORRIS Born ATHERTON, Somerset Served in 40th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 38 . WILLIAM NORRIS Born ATHERTON, Somerset Served in 40th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 38 40th Foot: Mah - Per Date range: 1807 - 1820.
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where has Lily's marriage gone to?
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where has Lily's marriage gone to?
ah ha found it LilLy
1902
Apr-May-Jun
Bridgwater
Somerset
5c 571
William Allan Clarke
Henry Leakey
Lilly Norris
Beatrice Rice 1902
although there does not seem to be any births with MMN. Norris for the above surnames in Bridgwater (only)
but i did find these who must belong to James
Births Dec 1913
Moxey Nelson R mmn. Norris Bridgwater 5c 542
Births Sep 1919
Moxey Wesley J R mn. Norris Bridgwater 5c 426
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what a ninny
James children will have Norris surname and mmn as Moxey so they probably dont belong to him
but they could belong to
Allan Moxey who m. Lucy Ann Norris Jun 1901 Bridgwater 5c 615
all the other moxey / norris marriages were female moxeys and male norris thus having children with a norris surname
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Albert & Sarah Ann children
Ann1866 maybe married in 1885 ?
Wallace 1868
Ernest (Albert) 1871 died aged 3
James 1869 m. Bertha Moxey
Ambrose 1873
Burtha [sic] 1890
Ernest Albert 1879
Lilly 1875 maybe married 1902
Miranda 1877
Minnie Norris 1896 granddaughter
who does she belong to ?
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I think there was a Moxey person on the NOORIS 1841 page.
I'll go look.
It was a (Moxey ?) family next door to William and Mary in Edington... needs looking at....... :-\
George 20
Levinnea 25
Robert 2
William 1
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John 30
Richard 15
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am a bit lost with your Bastons Les as there is more than one surname!
back to sues thread
Births Jun 1876 Norris Miranda Bridgwater 5c 435
Marriages Jun 1899
Norris Miranda Bridgwater 5c 627
Lockyer William Richard A
(others on page not listed at mo.)
no relevant births (the one in cranbrook belongs to an Ernest Lockyer)
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You two have been busy ;D ;D Thanks so much :)
1901 RG13 / 2322 / 98 /9
William R A Lockyer age 25 b Huntspill, occ timber yard lab
Mirander wife age 24 b Burtle
Harold W son age 2 months b Highbridge
So this is right on this marriage ;D
Sue
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still thinking about Ann i wonder if she died - just checking out deaths now
but maybe she had gone abroad havent checked that option.
if the marriage found was correct maybe her husband died and she remarried
no relevant deaths under Ann* Giblett 1885-1900
or Ann* COx (i phoentic searched surnames too)
same period
not the right age or right area - although she could have lived anywhere
again none for Ann* Norris (phoentic search surname) of the right age even allowing for a few years no matches
:-\
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Marriage for John Norris's son from Free BMD ;D
Jun 1861 William Norris to Sarah Cox at Bridgewater
Not that name again ;D ;D ;D
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Found William and Sarah in 1861 but no Sarah in 1871 so maybe this is her death
June 1870 Sarah Norris age 35, Bridgewater
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Births Dec 1872
Norris Ambrose Bridgwater 5c 428
Marriages Jun 1897 Bridgwater 5c 599
Durston Claudia Mary
Durston Julia Mary
Norris Ambrose
Pyle Frederick Harry
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Going by the census Ambrose married Claudia Mary Durston ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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6 Joseph Witcombe was baptised at Shapwick 13 Feb 1829. He married Jane Hucker in the Bridgwater Reg Dist between April and July 1855. I would imagine that they married in Shapwick as this was where they both came from. Jane's parents were Henry Hucker a farm labourer born abt 1806 and Maria born abt 1810 (from the 1851 census) both at Othery.
Hi, don't know if this from my own tree is any help;-
Henry Hucker, bapt 18 May 1806, Othery, wed Maria Porter, 1809-21 Jan 1897.
Marriage at Middlezoy on 4 Apr 1781. Henry's parents were Oram Hucker, 12 May
1775, Othery, - 12 Nov 1854, Othery, and Ellen Perratt, 1773 - 1853, Middlezoy.
Oram and Ellen wed at Othery, 31 Aug 1795. Oram's parents were George Hucker,
8 Dec 1732 - 7 Dec 1792, of Othery, and Martha Keirle, 1734, Stoke St. Gregory -
4 Nov 1791, Othery. George and Martha wed at Othery on 23 Mar 1755. Martha's
parents were Arthur Keirle and Joan Small. Georges parents were Oram Hucker and
Elizabeth Lee.
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Hi Chainsaw,
Thanks so much for that info, will make a note of it and see if i can tie it in
with my family. The Eliza Witcombe who married into the Norris family ( my gr gr grandfather)
was from Shapwick so its looking good ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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all these events are in Bridgwater (area) i suspect the first 2 tie in with your family, the last one is the birth of Bertha as on the 1891 census
Births Mar 1885
Norris Bertha Jane 5c 407
Deaths Mar 1885
NORRIS Bertha Jane aged 0 5c 313 :'(
Births Dec 1889
Norris Bertha Bridgwater 5c 365
do you need anything for Albert and Sarah Ann siblings?
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Morning Toni,
Thats great work Thanks ;D ;D
Oxfordshire has heavy snow, about 6 inches so far, schools closed and roads blocked so home all
day today ;D ;D
Albert and Sarah children... Not sure who Ann b abt 1866 are we and did you find Lily b abt 1875 ???
Will have to reread. All other children found ;D ;D
Still need some of John's childrens marriages etc...Jane abt 1836, Albert abt 1845,Frederick abt 1846
and Louisa abt 1848 :) :)
Thanks for helping ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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Marriages Mar 1887
CURRY Henry James
Hellard Eliza Jane
Norris Michael Henry
WHITCOMBE Eliza
Bridgwater 5c 516
Is this the first marriage, giving Eliza the Norris surname ??? I'll see if I can find Micheal Henry...
Do you think this could be the Michael?
1861 RG9 / 1627 / 46 / 11
Sue
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Sue just confirm please that
John NOrris children
Jane b. 1836
Albert b. 1845(is he ALbert m. to Sarah Ann? from HUntspill)
Frederick b. 1846
Louisa b. 1848
where were they born? Erdington?
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Toni..... I have them born Chilton, Somerset. Also have William b abt 1839 married Sarah Cox.
Sarah died Jun 1870 age 35, no further info. Alberts marriage is a possible, not looked into it yet :o
;D ;D
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ok, I cant find Albert marrying Sarah (Ann) :-\
Births Jun 1848
NORRIS Louisa Bridgwater 10 390
Bridgwater covers Chilton
will look for Lousia some more
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Just checked 1871 census and yes it looks like Albert did marry Sarah Ann ;D ;D
I cant find a marriage either ???
Has first born Ann b abt 1867 Sussex ???
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Oh whats wrong with me ::)
Albert married Sarah Ann Gullidge, Wallace's father who was my gr gr grandfather :-[
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;D
Ann b. 1866 Lewes - which covers Ringmer
(i'm in Lewes now and Ringmer about 3 miles down the road maybe not even that far)
we found Ann possible marriage to Mr Cox or Mr Giblett but no later census after this date and no deat
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whats John wife name
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Louisa (Norris)
Birth as before 1848 Chilton Polden
1851 HO107; 1925; 556; 23
1861 RG9; 1627; 46; 11;
1871 RG10; 2391; 46; 12
what happened to William b. circa 1839
John m. Sarah mother of Louisa she died (i think) becuase by 1861 hes married to Hannah (Martin) i'm sure you probably already have this.
the 1871 census makes interesting viewing
Marriages Jun 1877 Bridgwater 5c 556a
Maidment Martin
Norris Louisa/e
(no others on page)
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Been following William on census but dont look like he remarried as i can only find him
with his children :)
Am i right here Toni....... Sarah died and John remarried a Hannah Martin :o
If so no i didn't have that :o
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Blimey...... 1871 Toni :o
Is that all children of John and Hannah do you think and why are they called Martin ???
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Johns wife Sarah died and he remarried Hannah Martin, i dont think Martin was her maiden name i think she was married to a Mr Martin as she has a son with the Martin surname have a look at the 1861 census ref i gave for Louisa and then the 1871
of course Hannah may have had her son out of wedlock in which case she was nee Martin
ramble ramble ramble
I'm such a idiot sometimes i was looking for Louisa Martin when in fact her husband was Martin MAIDMENT - i got confused becuase f Hannah Martin .
so Louisa in
1881 RG11; 2378; 47; 16;
1891 RG12; 1887; 57; 5;
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Marriages Mar 1859 Bridgwater 5c 654
Martin Hannah
Norris John
:)
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Deaths Jun 1853
Norris Sarah Bridgwater 5c 319
so was JOhn alone after Sarahs death in 1853 befoer he married Hannah in 1859? or was there children in between
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1861 census
John & Hannah (Norris)
children
Louisa 12
Mary Jane 8 - Births Mar 1871 Bridgwater 5c 437
William Martin aged 4 - son of H Norris - Births Jun 1856
Martin William James Bridgwater 5c 475
Micheal 11 months & Sarah A 11 months
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1871 census
John & Hannah (Norris)
Louisa 22 (as 1861)
William Martin 15 (as 1861)
Michael Martin 10 (Norris on 1861)
Sarah Ann Martin 10 (Norris on 1861)
Alfred Martin 9 son
Abel Martin 7 son
Frederick Martin 4 son
Lewis Martin 3 son
Alice Martin 1 month dau.
no idea why they are called Martin instead of Norris after all Hannah and John were married :-\
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Hannah was 20 years Johns junior b. Hinton (circa 1821)
will try to find her on 1851 with hopefully Williams father although she may not have been married to him by then
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Toni... On 1871 on FindMyPast all children are down as Norris :o
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are they just transcribed as Martin then???
heres little Mary Jane
Deaths Mar 1871
Norris Mary Jane aged 0 Bridgwater 5c 316
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i couldnt find Michael & Sarah A (who look very likely to be twins) births :-\
under Martin or Norris
Births Dec 1862 NORRIS Alfred Brigwater 5c 451
will check the image (again) for 1871
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Alices birth is reg as Norris
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Louisa's husband Martin Maidment died Sep 1889 age 42 and Louisa remarried i believe a
Henry Lee in Sept 1897 in Bridgewater.
Have found Louisa but not with Henry in 1901 ???
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the image says ditto under William Martin
just a thought i wonder if William Martin gave the enumartor the info.?
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1861 census
John & Hannah (Norris)
children
Louisa 12
Mary Jane 8 - Births Mar 1871 Bridgwater 5c 437
William Martin aged 4 - son of H Norris - Births Jun 1856
Martin William James Bridgwater 5c 475
Micheal 11 months & Sarah A 11 months
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1871 census
John & Hannah (Norris)
Louisa 22 (as 1861)
William Martin 15 (as 1861)
Michael Martin 10 (Norris on 1861)
Sarah Ann Martin 10 (Norris on 1861)
Alfred Martin 9 son
Abel Martin 7 son
Frederick Martin 4 son
Lewis Martin 3 son
Alice Martin 1 month dau.
no idea why they are called Martin instead of Norris after all Hannah and John were married :-\
Toni... Cant find 1861 census but wondered about the death you found for Mary Jane age 0 as it looks
like she is on 1861 age 8 ???
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;D Back.... The Martin's are neighbours in 1841 Chilton Polden/Edington.
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Welcome back Les ;D ;D ;D
Found Hannah's death 1896 age 68 but cant find John's ???
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Deaths Mar 1897
Norris John 76 Bridgwater 5c 283
Bit short on census years, have we ever found his birth/bapt ?
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Great find Les, Thanks ;D ;D
No not John's :)
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please refresh me John was born circa 1801 where?
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oooh and yes that loks liek the wrong Mary Jane death
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John in Edington Toni. But anywhen to1816 ish Census...
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1861 has him as 60 and Hannah as 40 :-\
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i have found this
JOHN NORIS
SARAH PRINCE Marriage: 15 MAY 1828 Ilminster, Somerset, England
not sure if it of use :-\
was Johns first child that we know of b. 1836 ?
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Hi Toni,
Sorry but snows bad here and we keep losing internet connection :o
Have got a severe weather warning and they say more to come on Sunday ::)
Anyway John's first born that i know of was abt 1836 so the marriage could be right.
I have him b abt 1811 but have no proof on that ;D
Sue
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Hi All, I'm new here so I'm not sure if you already have this information. Someone on this board asked what happened to William. William Norris and his son Henry J. were on the ship, Etruria and they landed in NY on 21 March 1892. They lived in Sennett, N.Y. Henry brought his family with him. His wife died in England around the time their last child was born. Henry's children were Anna and Bessie (twins) Norris b: 9 Jan 1889 and Mary Ann b: 1891. When they reached New York, Mary Ann was either given to or adopted by Charles and Harriett Pitman of Elbridge, NY. While checking info on ancestry, I found a Pitman family in Edington. I'm trying to find if the Pitman's were related to the Norris family.
Henry remarried in New York. The only info I can find on his wife is that she was born in England and her name was Anna B. b: 31 Dec 1861. Henry and Anna had three boys: Harold J. b: 8 July 1895; Lester W b: 28 May 1896 and George H b: 19 Dec 1899. We have not been able to locate the death records on William, Henry J. or Anna. I do have info on the children is anyone is interested.
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Hello Emerald,
Warm welcome to Rootschat.. :)
Jamajo may be the person to answer this for you.
Lesanne.
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Hi EmeraldHope and a warm welcome from me as well ;D
Will have to reread and see if this William ties in with mine :)
Thanks for posting this info :)
By the way Lesanne also has Norris in her family and we are trying to link the two families ;D ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue, Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm trying to tie in three different Norris families. I'm doing research for myself and two others. I found some info today and wonder if it rings a bell with anyone on this board?
Henry J. Norris b: 5/1866 in Edington, Burtle and his father William b: 1837 are from a friends family. It looks like William's father might have been a George b: 1792 in Edington d: 1868 in Edington. If ancestry.com is correct then George's father was a Matthew b: 1755 and died 1834 in Edington or in that area.
I'm pretty sure in my last note I wrote that William was married to Sarah Cox and she died right after the birth of Stephen. The Norris', the Cox's and the Pitman's keep coming up but other than Sarah's marriage to William, I can't tie the families together. I am sure Henry, William's son, didn't just get off the boat and hand Mary Ann to strangers. The Pitman's were from Bridgwater and both of the other families have records that show they were either born there, married in that town or moved between Edington and Bridgwater. Dottie/Emerald
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Well this is interesting :o..... Hope this makes sense ;D
My grandfather was Arthur James Norris b 1902 in Huntspill, Somerset.
His father was a Wallace Norris b abt 1868 in Edington Burtle, Somerset and he married Eliza Whitcombe in 1891 in Bristol
Wallace's parents were Albert Norris b abt 1844 in Edington and he married Sarah Ann Gullidge in
1865 in Bridgewater.
Alberts parents i am unsure about at this time.
After getting all my paperwork out i find i have got William Norris b abt 1839 married to Sarah Cox in Jun 1861 in Bridgewater. They had 3 children, Walter W b abt 1863, Henry J b abt 1867 and Stephen b abt 1869. Sarah died in Jun 1870 age 35.
I have Williams parents as John Norris b abt 1811 and he married a Sarah ?
Dont know if this helps or if you can fill any gaps for me . I do have some children for the above families so things looking good i think :) If i can help let me know ;)
Lesanne like i said has also got Norris in her tree and we have been trying to tie our families together.
She also has Cox but not sure about Pitman.... Im sure she will answer this ;D ;D ;D
Sue :)
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oooo 'ello folks.... we need to look further in to these... What say you? :D
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Dear Sue
My husband’s Grandmother was Mary Whitcombe and she was born in Meare. There are dozens of Whitcombe, Witcombe and various spellings through out the villages and as I live close to the records office in Taunton they were a challenge for me!
6 Joseph Witcombe was baptised at Shapwick 13 Feb 1829. He married Jane Hucker in the Bridgwater Reg Dist between April and July 1855. I would imagine that they married in Shapwick as this was where they both came from. Jane's parents were Henry Hucker a farm labourer born abt 1806 and Maria born abt 1810 (from the 1851 census) both at Othery.
Joseph, Jane and family were living at St Anns Logde Burnham on Sea in 1861, Joseph was a labourer/gardner. By 1871 they were back at Shapwick. They had the following children…
Mary Ann Witcombe baptised at Shapwick 4 May 1856
George Witcombe baptised at Shapwich 23 May 1858, although the census do give his place of birth as Burnham
Charlotte aged 1 month at the time of the 1861 census, born at Burnham
Albert b 1863 at Shapwick, his death was registered in the Bristol Reg Dist 1902
Eliza b 1866 Shapwick
William b 1867 Shapwick
Anna Maria born June Q 1870 died March Q 1874
Elizabeth b 1873 Shapwick
Joseph Witcombe was buried at Shapwick 27 Feb 1892.
5 Joseph was the son of James Witcombe born in Shapwick abt 1801 and died in 1879. He married Charlotte Davis at Shapwich 15 April 1828. She died in 1848
Children…all born at Shapwick
Elizabeth 1834
William b 1836
Sophie bp 31 July 1841
Maria bp 22 Jan 1843
James bp 19 April 1846
4 James was the son of James Witcombe and Mary Young
Groom James Witcomb status – of otp, – Bride Mary Young status – of otp, – married on 23 Oct 1786 at parish Shapwick by banns
3 James Witcombe was the son of James Witcombe born abt 1764 and Mary Dowden
2 James was the son of John Witcombe b 1741 and died 1769, his wife was Betty unknown
1 John was the son of John Witcombe who died at Compton Dundon in 1765
Most of the earlier records were researched by Steve Whitcombe who my husband was at school with. The baptism dates come from the parish records. The family came from Compton Dundon as far as we have gone back. Many of them are on my family tree on Ancestry.com. Hope this makes sense!
There is a group for the Witcombe family at
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/witcombe/
Best wishes Heather
ps Sorry if you have received this twice, not sure if you receive a thread from a completed look up!
there is another Jane with parents George and Rachael.. in 1841 Morlinch Polden Hill
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hello are we updating this ?
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Hello Toni,
Yes.. Sue and I have been working on her family for months.
There's a John Norris Lawrence... c 1811. Edington. mother Mary Lawrence.
Now there's a John Norris (Yeoman.. what else.. !! lol) marrying Betty Blake 16 April 1822.
In 1841 he is with Betty, we are looking for poss links with John c1811.
Les
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John b. 1811 would only be 11 if he was the one who married Betty Blake :-\
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;D ... haha... not if John b1811 is the son of John and stepson of Betty...
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that doesnt make sense
have you looked at Deptford for Lawrences ?
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:-\ I can't paste the link Toni but its Somerset Parish BMD's then scroll to Edington bapt's
OR... I'm sorting this on Facebook.
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Hi All,
Gonna try and find this John's bapt. Unless anyone has a better idea... ;)
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ithink im gonna need to reread unless you can sumarise ;D
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Hi
Are you still seaching for Norris family from Edington / Huntspill Somerset?
I know your post was done a few years ago but I have a large tree on this family if you are still interested .
I would be pleased to hear from you if you are still doing a tree.
Regards
Kay
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1911
Wallace Norris
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Edington Burtle, Somerset
Civil Parish: Montacute
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Yeovil Road, Montacute, S O, Somerset
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Road Foreman
Registration District: Yeovil
Registration District Number: 309
Sub-registration District: Martock
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 42
Piece: 14400
Household Members:
Name Age
Wallace Norris 44
Eliza Norris 46
Edith Annie Norris 19
Albert Joseph Norris 18
Minnie Norris 15
Ernest William Norris 11
Fredrick George Norris 10
Arthur James Norris 9
Clifford John Norris 6
Nellie Irena Norris 4
Horace Lesley Norris 2
Dorothy May Norris
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it looks like James & Elizabeth are the parents, sound right?