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Title: Parish Records
Post by: Alliheat on Saturday 19 May 07 16:51 BST (UK)
CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN GET TO SEE PARISH RECORDS FOR DUDLEY AREA EARLY TO MID 19TH CENTURY WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL ACROSS COUNTRY TO WORCESTERSHIRE?
THANKS
ALIHEAT :)
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Gardener on Saturday 19 May 07 17:15 BST (UK)
It might be possible to see them in London somewhere, I'm not sure.
Otherwise, do you live near a Family History Center run by the LDS ? www.familysearch.org  If they have the records which you need then you can order them for a small fee and look at them there.
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Alliheat on Sunday 20 May 07 11:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Gardener
I have looked online at the IGI, but have found that it is not always correct.  One of the records states my gt grandfather's wife as Elizabeth and another Ann and it is this link that I am trying to find.  Because my gt grandfather was born around 1831 before modern register of 1837, I am finding it increasingly difficult to get any further back, when I found the family history to this date quite easy by sending for certificates, but I don't know how to get hold of a record pre 1837.  I have had this on hold now for almost 7 years.
Thank again
Alliheat :)
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: maggiefishblue on Sunday 20 May 07 12:44 BST (UK)
Hi Alliheat,

If you were able to view them at an LDS centre, as suggested by Gardener, I think you would be able to see film of the actual PRs rather than what is transcribed on the online IGI site.  You would then be able to see whether it had been transcribed correctly with regards to your great grandfather's wife.

Maggie
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Gardener on Monday 21 May 07 11:19 BST (UK)
Thanks Maggie, I wasn't very clear was I?

But that is what I meant Aliheat, if you go to the familysearch page and click on "family history catalogue" in the blue line towards the topp, you can enter the place name and find exactly which records they have for that parish. Sometimes they have both PR and Bishops Transcripts on micro film, sometimes just one of them.
On the same page (Family History Catalogue) you can click the blue bar againto chose "family history center" and see where your nearest one would be. They would be able to tell you prices and waiting times I am sure.
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Alliheat on Monday 21 May 07 11:51 BST (UK)
Thanks to Maggiefishblue and Gardener
I have always intended to find my nearest LDS maybe I should get out of my seat and finally go and have a look.  I have been down to London to the Family Records a couple of times, but I don't think I made best use of my time there and tried to fit in too much in the time I had.
Thanks again
PS Gardener you appear to be researching around the Black Country.  Wouldn't be around Wednesbury or Dudley would it?  Sorry to be so cheeky.
Thanks
Alliheat
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Gardener on Monday 21 May 07 12:13 BST (UK)
Hi Aliheat
It is around Dudley/Rowley Regis/Halesowen but I'm doing it even more long distance than you  :)
One of the problems with Dudley area is that even if you go to Dudley archives you may find that the records you want are elsewhere what with Dudley being Worcestershire but most of the surrounding places Staffordshire - and Halesowen sometimes counted as Shropshire!
You may find help on www.rowleyregis.com which attracts some local people who know where places are/were.
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: netti on Monday 21 May 07 18:15 BST (UK)
I go to Worcester occasionally. Live nearby but work and family commitments limit my time!

If you are prepared to be patient you could let me know brief details and I don't mind taking a look next time I am there.

netti
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Alliheat on Tuesday 22 May 07 10:45 BST (UK)
Thanks very much Netti
If you do have any time left I would appreciate any help.
I am looking for the parents of William Morris, born abt 1831 he states around Wordsley/Dudley area.  His father's name is Thomas, but I don't know his mother's name and without it I keep finding details of the wrong family as there are hundreds of Morris family around that area.  He married in Dudley in 1853 to Mary Ann Smith, but I can't get any further back, though not through lack of trying I must say.  There is a possibility that his father Thomas could have come from Wales!
Thanks Aliheat :)
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: netti on Tuesday 22 May 07 15:26 BST (UK)
Hi aliheat

Do you have the marriage certificate of William Morris and Mary Ann Smith? What are the occupations and addresses mentioned?

There is a William baptised at Dudley St Thomas 1832, parents Thomas and Ann. I could check this one to see if occupations tie up?


netti
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: philheeks on Tuesday 22 May 07 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi Ali

What do you want looked up as I will do a limited look up for you but it will have to wait till August when I take my next holiday in Worcestershire

All the very best

Phil

Weston-super-Mare

e mail philheeks[at]yahoo[dot]co[dot]uk
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: philheeks on Tuesday 22 May 07 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi Ali

What do you want looked up as I will do a limited look up for you but it will have to wait till August when I take my next holiday in Worcestershire

All the very best

Phil

Weston-super-Mare
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Gardener on Wednesday 23 May 07 00:15 BST (UK)
Hi again
I'm not entirely sure about this but it seems to me that there are 3 families from Wordsley in the census. They seem to have some common movement patterns, with children born similar places. Bit difficult to explain here but see what you think.



1851
Wordsley
John Morris,2?,iron pudler,Staffs,Kinver
Caroline ditto,24,Staffs
William ditto,1, Staffs,Wordsley

1861
Wolstanton
John Morris,35,forgeman,Worcs,Kinfare
Caroline ditto,34,Staffs,Handsworth
Thomas ditto,15,Staffs,Wordsley
William ditto,12, Staffs,Wordsley
Elizabeth ditto,10, Staffs,Wordsley
James ditto,(boarder),10, Staffs,Wordsley
Marian ditto,8,Staffs,Toll End
Sophia ditto,2,Staffs,Knutton
Ruth ditto,8m,Staffs,Alsafers Bank

1871
Dubmire,Co Durham
John Morris,46,contractor iron works,Kinvar,Staffs
Caroline ditto,45,Answorth,Warwick
Elizabeth ditto,20,Brittle Lane,Staffs
Sophia ditto,13, Silverdale,Staffs
Ruth ditto,11,Alsagor,Staffs
John Henry ditto,9,Silverdale,Staffs
Thomas Jones,b in l,w,42,Birmingham



1851
Wordsley
Thomas Morris,51,labourer,South Wales
Elizabeth ditto,51,Staffs,Kinver
Mary ditto,21,Staffs,Kingswinford
Thomas ditto,son,15,Staffs,Kingswinford

1861
West Bromwich
Thomas Morris,25,labourer,Staffs,Wordsley
Rhoda ditto,21,Staffs,West Brom
John ditto,2,Staffs,Wolverhampton
Thomas ditto,1,
Elizabeth Wassell,mother,w,64,Staffs,Kinver

(there is a possible marriage for Elizabeth Morris to Wm Wassall Dec qtr 1858 Dudley, with poss death for William in Mar qtr 1861)

1871
Dubmire,Co Durham
Edward Morris,35,puddler,Wordsley,Staffs
Rhoda ditto,32,W Brom,Staffs
John ditto,12,Wolstanton,Staffs
Thomas ditto,11,Audley,Staffs
William ditto,10,W Brom,Staffs
Mary Ann ditto,8,Wolstanton,Staffs
Edward ditto,4,Handly,Staffs
Rhoda ditto,10m,Darlington,Durham



1851
Stourbridge
William Morris,18,forgeman,Wordsley,Staffs
Jane Morris,19,nailer,Stourbridge

1861
Tipton
William Morris,28,iron roller,Salop,Wordsley
Mary A ditto,27,Worcs,Oldbury
Mary J ditto,6,Staffs,Tipton
William H ditto,4,Tipton
Elizabeth ditto,3,Tipton
John ditto,3m,Tipton
John Smith,b in l,20,Oldbury
Simeon ditto,b in law,17,Oldbury


1871
Knutton & Wolstanton
William Morris,38,forgeman,Staffs,Wordsley
Mary A ditto,38,Staffs
William ditto,15,Staffs,Tipton
Elizabeth ditto,13,ditto
John ditto,10.ditto
Simon ditto,8,ditto
Edward ditto,4,Staffs,Silverdale
David sitto,2,Staffs,Silverdale
Alfred ditto,infant,Staffs,Silverdale



Since you had a possible Wales connection for William Morris's father Thomas then could these all belong to the same family?

The 1841 is a little odd for ages (if it is the same people)

1841
Kingswinford
Thomas Morris,35,boatman,n
Elizabeth ditto,35,y
John ditto,14,forgeman,y
Mary ditto,10,y
William ditto,5,y
Thomas ditto,5,y


The IGI has baptisms which sort of fit

John Morris, 16 Jun 1825 Kinver
Mary Morris, 7 Sep 1828 Kingswinford
William Morris, 10 Jun 1831 Kingswinford and St Marys Chapelry
Edward Thomas Morris,10 Nov 1833 Kingswinford and St Marys Chapelry


I am least happy with the 1841 census since although the names are "right" the ages are not  :(

Anyhow, it might give you something to look into if you haven't already discounted it all  :)
You didn't say that William Morris was married previously so not sure about that 1851 entry though age and birth place are OK.
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Alliheat on Wednesday 23 May 07 11:35 BST (UK)
Thank all
Netti - Yes I do have the marriage certificate for William Morris and Mary Ann Smith.  They married at the Parish Church Dudley 4th October 1853, but not sure which church this is.  Father's names were Thomas Morris, Labourer and William Smith Labourer.  Williams and his sons' occupations further down the line were iron puddlers.  It is William's family I am trying to find.  According to the later census it worked out that he was born about 1831.  Thanks very much Alliheat
Gardener thanks very much for your efforts.  I will print this list out and have a look at the possibilities.  The 1861 census is my gt grandfathers family, and having looked around the censuses, it looks as though they were a large family with most brothers living and working in the same place.  The christian names are the same as were being used within the family until my father's generation.  Much appreciated Alliheat :)
Title: Re: Parish Records
Post by: Gardener on Wednesday 23 May 07 13:00 BST (UK)

Netti - Yes I do have the marriage certificate for William Morris and Mary Ann Smith.  They married at the Parish Church Dudley 4th October 1853, but not sure which church this is. 

That would be St Thomas.
You can often use this link to see where a marriage took place
http://www.bmsgh.org/wmbmd/index.html
Not that it follows that the baptism would have been there too ;)