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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Hutchin_Graham on Thursday 17 May 07 20:42 BST (UK)
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Hi
can some kind Scouser please help me to find the death of my 4xGt Grandfather Lister Ellis. He was a Banker and founding director of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway. He lived at 5 Rodney Street, Liverpool. He made his will in 1829 and is mentioned in a pamphlet written in 1830 by Henry Booth as the late Mr Lister Ellis.
Finding his death would be great, finding his grave would be top ;D
Hope someone can help me,
Bye for now,
Hutchin Graham.
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There's a photo of a Lister Ellis b. 1814 on this IoM site (towards the bottom of the page)- is that his son?
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/mxman/v12p002.htm
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Hi,
thanks for the reply :)
Yes Lister jnr was born in Cumberland in 1813 and later moved to IOM and married a Manx lady. Later still, he moved to Liverpool ( possibly due to his Father's death) and ended his days in Ormskirk.
Bye for now,
Hutchin
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On NA's documents online, the Will is listed with the date 30 December 1829. The date shown is normally the date the Will was proved so presumably he must have died some time before that.
I had a look in The Times Digital Archive and Palmer's Index but didn't any reference in the 1828-1830 period.
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Hi again,
many thanks for your attempt to find the info. :)
Do you have any suggestions as to what my next step should be?
Bye for now,
Hutchin
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Hello Hutchin Graham,
Went to the libary this morning and nanaged to find you r Lister Ellis.
Here is the entry for Liverpool Epitaphs and the church burial entry.
LIVERPOOL EPITAPH CHURCH OF ENGLAND ST GEORGE CHURCH EVERTON
WRITTEN ON THE HEADSTONE WAS:
UNDER THIS STONE
ARE DEPOSITED THE REMAINS OF
LISTER ELLIS ESQ
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 5th MARCH
1829 AGED 51 YEARS.
ALSO THE ENTRY FOR HIS BURIAL IN HTE CHURCH RECORDS READ.
BURIALS IN THE PARISH OF ST GEORGE EVERTON IN THE PARISH OF WALTON ON THE HILL IN THE COUNTY OF LANCASTER IN THE YEAR 1829
NAME LISTER ELLIS
ABODE RODNEY STREET LIVERPOOL
WHEN BURIED MARCH 10th 1829
AGE 57 YEARS
CEREMONY PERFORMED BY R.P BUDDICOM
The church of St George is still there, and it was supposed to be the first church in England made of pre cast iron. It is on Heyworth Street, Everton, overlooking Liverpool.
Hope this is what you're after.
Regards.
Billo
:D
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Hi,
it is PRECISELY what I was after. :o
Now I can arrange a visit to Everton and take some pix.
10 out of 10 for your efforts, ;D
Many thanks for the info,
Bye for now,
Hutchin
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Hi, Hutchin_Graham and Billo,
Billo, did it give a grave ref number, or isn't the church yard very big. I could go and take the pictures if you wish, the next time I pass.
Cheers,
Red :D
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Hi Red,
many thanks for your interest in my quest, :)
and many, many thanks for your offer to take some pix, that would be brilliant
or, as they say today, that would be top. I'll look forward to hearing from you. ;D
Bye for now,
Hutchin.
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Hi Hutchin,
I have been to the church today. I found the grave, and have taken some pictures. All the stones lay down flat. And, because I am only 5' tall they are on a slight angle. lol.
I don't know if you know, but I found another stone, I think belongs to you. It is the stone of Lister Ellis's son, Henry, age 14 months. I took photographs of this also. If you pm me your email address, I will send them on to you.
Red :D
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I forgot to tell you. In the same grave yard I found a Mr. J Ellis Lister!!
Confused me no end, i can tell you ::)
Red ;D
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Hi Red,
my initial reaction is " who the Hell is THAT?"
but after quite a bit of thought, my more considered reaction
is "who the Hell IS that?" ;D
Well, Watson, the game is afoot! ( I'll not sleep 'till I know)
Thanks again Red,
Hutchin.
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Hutchin,
I was so confused, when I went to the RO a few days ago, I actually found a photo of him and I copied it. When I got home, I realised my mistake, and deleted it. So, he must be someone quite important.
Red :D
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Hi Hutchin,
I think I have found something else. ;D
Do you know a Lieut L. F. Ellis? I nearly got him mixed up with Lister again!! Only the date was wrong. ???
This guy was awarded the D.S.O. in 1918. I mistook him, because the piece in the newspaper makes reference to him working in the bank!!
Red ;D
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Hi Hutchin,
could you pm me your email addy please. I seem to have lost it. ::)
ta,
red ;D
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The descendancy of Lister Ellis (d. 1828) is of interest to me, as my brother in law is a (Liverpool-born) direct descendant of this individual, and I've been researching his family history for him. What I find particularly intriguing, is the mystery of Graham Lister Ellis (grandson of Lister Ellis), who disappears from the records in about 1901 - his family having been, at least up to 1891, quite comfortably well off (he being an architect/surveyor by profession) - but seemingly he had left his family in the lurch, with most of them ending up working as porters at Liverpool Docks! At first, I presumed Graham Lister Ellis had died, or had maybe even ended up in prison, but with the recent release of the 1911 census, I found that he was very much still alive and living somewhere up the Lancashire coast. Does anyone have any light they could cast on this curious turn of events? Many thanks.
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Hi Hutchin -
You said Lister Ellis lived at No 5 Rodney Street. Just looked up a directory of Liverpool published in 1824 (so probably correct for 1823) where he's living at No 2 Rodney Street. At that time a Revd Richard Cardwell was living at No 5.
He's mentioned a lot in histories of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway of course, but only Robert E Carlson's 'Liverpool & Manchester Railway Project 1821-1831' (1969) mentions his death, and gets it slightly wrong. He says "February 1829".
Harry.
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Liverpool Mercury for Friday 5 March 1829 news item:
DIED - Yesterday, at his house, in Rodney Street, Lister Ellis,esq, in his 51st year
and a death announcement for his son in the same paper on 12 August 1878
ELLIS: August 10 at Southport aged 65 Lister Ellis late of Rodney Street and Douglas Isle of Man . No Cards
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My brother in law's Ellis ancestry, is via his father (George Ellis) and Ivy Owen. George's father was George Ellis (b. L'pool: 1885) the son of Graham Lister Ellis and Sophia Jane Cowley. George married Ann Thompson in 1908. As many correspondents have noted, Graham Lister Ellis seems to disappear following the 1891 census, although we know that his wife died in 1899. What I can't explain is the curious estrangement from his family which seems to have taken place, and their seeming decline in fortunes - as evidenced from this info from the 1901 census, where his daughter Florence has assumed a role as head of the household.
2 Canson St, Everton, Liverpool (1901)
Florence ELLIS (Head)
single
a. 33
b. L’pool
May WARREN (sister)
widow
a. 32
b. L’pool
Ernest ELLIS (brother)
single
a. 26
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool
Emily ELLIS (sister)
single
a. 21
b. L’pool
Reginald ELLIS (brother)
single
a. 18
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool
George ELLIS (brother)
single
a.16
occ: Cotton Porter (Dock)
b. L’pool
William WARREN (nephew)
a. 7
b. L’pool
Charles WARREN (nephew)
a. 3
b. L’pool
Francis CLARK (boarder)
a. 18
Occ: Cigarette maker
b. L’pool
Initially I had though that Graham Lister Ellis had also died (although I could find no notice of his death having occurred anywhere) then with the recent release of the 1911 census, was amazed to find him living at an address in Fylde! Can anyone help explain this odd turn of events? Or suggest where he may have been in 1901? Many thanks.
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On the LG - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/26504/pages/2199 - GL Ellis is named as an executor to the estate of a Eliza Ellis, widow, in 1894. Getting this will might throw some light, as if he received a large sum of money, he may have decided it was a good time to disappear.
Ken
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My thanks to all those correspondents who have given up their time to look into the 'Graham Lister Ellis Mystery', and have come up with some fascinating information. I'm going to follow up on a few interesting leads, and will post back here if I find anything substantial. Firstly, I'll be taking a look at his wife's death certificate (from 1899) to see if he was still on the scene at that point. A Ken suggests, I'll also check out the probate records to see who Eliza Ellis was - and to which member of the Ellis family she was married to. Thanks again to you all.
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Found her in FreeBMD. She was born in 1814, so she must have been Graham Lister Ellis' mother - Eliza Clark.
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Hi to you and everyone who has been digging into the Ellis Saga. Sorry I haven't been around for a while, but my Dad died and I sort of lost interest for a while.
Once again thanks for all the new info.
Regards,
Hutchin.
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Hutchin, sorry to hear about the bereavement. I'll post anything I manage to dig up on the Ellis' here.
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It's amazing what can turn up in a simple Google search. I was looking for information about the address where Eliza Eliis (nee Clark) died in New Brighton, 1894, and found this 1900 postcard (from the same address: 19 Higher Parade)
http://www.newbrightonpostcards.org.uk/big.php?cardId=000054&cardFace=f
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Sorry to hear your sad news Hutchin. I have missed you on the boards.
Red :)
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Hi hutchin
Sorry about your loss.
I am trying to find if and where Lister Ellis d1829 and Lister Ellis d1878 where buried. I have tried searching on findmypast for parish records but have had no luck so will be heading off to liverpool records office at the end of the month to see if i can find anything there. If anyone else has any suggestions?
I am decendant from Lister Ellis d1878 daughter Olivia M Ellis b1844.
Ste
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Hello Ste,
this was found by R.Billo in a previous post.......
So you're half way there :-)
BFN, Hutchin
Re: Liverpool Death 1829-1830
« Reply #5 on: 26 May 2007, 16:12:39 » Reply with quote
Hello Hutchin Graham,
Went to the libary this morning and nanaged to find you r Lister Ellis.
Here is the entry for Liverpool Epitaphs and the church burial entry.
LIVERPOOL EPITAPH CHURCH OF ENGLAND ST GEORGE CHURCH EVERTON
WRITTEN ON THE HEADSTONE WAS:
UNDER THIS STONE
ARE DEPOSITED THE REMAINS OF
LISTER ELLIS ESQ
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 5th MARCH
1829 AGED 51 YEARS.
ALSO THE ENTRY FOR HIS BURIAL IN HTE CHURCH RECORDS READ.
BURIALS IN THE PARISH OF ST GEORGE EVERTON IN THE PARISH OF WALTON ON THE HILL IN THE COUNTY OF LANCASTER IN THE YEAR 1829
NAME LISTER ELLIS
ABODE RODNEY STREET LIVERPOOL
WHEN BURIED MARCH 10th 1829
AGE 57 YEARS
CEREMONY PERFORMED BY R.P BUDDICOM
The church of St George is still there, and it was supposed to be the first church in England made of pre cast iron. It is on Heyworth Street, Everton, overlooking Liverpool.
Hope this is what you're after.
Regards.
Billo
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Hi hutchin
Sorry about your loss.
I am decendant from Lister Ellis d1878 daughter Olivia M Ellis b1844.
Ste
Hello again Ste,
please excuse my faulty memory but am I wrong or did Olivia Maria Ellis marry James Aspinall Tobin?
I have a photo and some info on him if you are interested.
BFN,
Hutchin
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I came across this website whilst looking for Netherby Estate.
Original posting seems to have been by Hutchin Graham.
My wife's later husband was John Abercrombie grandson of Dr John Abercrombie of Warpole street london and subsequently Augill Castle, Brough. John's mother (or grand mother) was a Graham from the netherby family and her mother was a Tobin. My wife has some papers relating to the family and also some miniture paintings.
We believe that John,s cousin has given some of the Graham portaits to the National trust and that they are at Nunnington Hall near York. If you come back to me I will see what my wife can find for you.
Hugh Lee
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I came across this website whilst looking for Netherby Estate.
Original posting seems to have been by Hutchin Graham.
My wife's later husband was John Abercrombie grandson of Dr John Abercrombie of Warpole street london and subsequently Augill Castle, Brough. John's mother (or grand mother) was a Graham from the netherby family and her mother was a Tobin. My wife has some papers relating to the family and also some miniture paintings.
We believe that John,s cousin has given some of the Graham portaits to the National trust and that they are at Nunnington Hall near York. If you come back to me I will see what my wife can find for you.
Hugh Lee
Hi Hugh,
did I ever get back to you about your offer of help?
My memory is getting worse with every passing year :-(
I am always extremely grateful for any help and info, as it puts flesh on
the bones of my ancestors, or if you prefer, leaves on my Tree. :-)
Anything your good wife can find would be brilliant.
Bye for now,
Hutchin Graham AKA Lister AKA Steve (Ellis) Clarke.