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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: paxisnz on Tuesday 15 May 07 06:23 BST (UK)
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Suzey - are you happy to keep looking things up - don't want to over burden you!!
If so am looking for a James CANN of Lambeth (not the famous one married to Elizabeth but my one was married to Jane PAINE in 1834) who was a WATERMAN.
By 1835 they were in Richmond Surrey
Also his son Henry living in White Cross bulls in 1881 - also a waterman.
Many thanks
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Hi paxisnz, hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your post, but I couldn't see any other related thread :)
If Suzey is possibly offering lookups, may I be so cheeky as to ask for one too?
I would like to know whether the Bindings mention Jethro DOBSON, born 1826 Eton, Bucks and a waterman on the census from 1871 onwards. There is a family story (completely unverified) that he was a swimming master at Eton, and that he was one of the Queen's watermen, but I always take these tales with a very large pinch of salt!
Thank you very much for any help.
Cheers
Prue
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hi there,
im sure waterman can have various interpretations but in my ancestors case he was so called because he used to own a little boat and earned his living ferrying people across from devon to cornwall, sort of like a water taxi! but dont suppose they had heard of the word taxi then!
krissy
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The job of a waterman was to ferry people on a river. In London many went on to become lighterman, unloading cargo from large ships on the Thmaes.
There's a very interesting entry for Watermen on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermen
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Sorry I did not spot this new thread sooner.
In reply to an earlier message from Paxisnz.
I have searched the bindings and can only find the following Cann names:
George Cann bound 21/10/1819 in Lambeth to Thomas White not completed
James Cann bound 04/05/1820 in Richmond to Theophilus Ellard completed 12/07/1832
John Cann bound 14/06/1855 in Richmond to James Cann completed 08/07/1862
Charles Cann bound 09/09/1862 in Southwark to James Gingell Jnr completed 12/01/1869
Edward Cann bound 12/04/1870 in Southwark to George Salt completed 09/05/1876
Henry Cann bound 14/07/1868 in Richmond to James Fruin completed 12/08/1873
There are also some Paine names on the bindings if you have any specific names for Jane's family.
Regards
Sue
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Just spotted this thread; hope I can sneak a request in.
On 1851 census John Pain/e (bc1828 Woolwich) is listed as a waterman; can you find him listed?
His family are beginning to live up to their name.
Nanny Jan
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Hi Prue
I cannot find a Jethro Dobson in the apprentice bindings or in the "Contracts for over aged boys 1868-1926"
I suspect that Eton would be inside of the area covered by the Company Of Watermen and Lightermen as I believe that they covered from Windsor to Gravesend.
Regards
Sue
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Hi Nanny Jan
Looks like I may have found him, I have also included two other listings which may be relevent.
John Hutcheson Pain bound 13/01/1842 in Woolwich to William West - completed 08/02/1849
Henry Edmund Langham bound 13/04/1854 in Woolwich to John Hutcheson Pain - not completed
william Pain bound 09/06/1831 in Woolwich to John Wright Bull - Not completed - Dead
Hope this is the right family.
Cheers
Sue
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Hi Sue,
That's great.... JH Pain is my man and William I think is his brother; William died 1838/9.
Do you know why Henry bound to John 1854 did not complete? I'm curious because I might have found John on 1881 census in Portland Prison, but listed as a fishmonger.
Thanks,
Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny Jan
Sorry I can't really be of any further help. The indexes do not say why this was not completed. I have checked some original bindings I have for my family and it is unusual to mention why the apprenticeship was not completed. I have checked the reassignments and nothing is listed for Henry Langham.
A normal apprenticeship lasted 7 years and therefore whatever caused Henry to stop his apprenticeship must have happened before 1860, are there any clues in the 1861 census?
Regards
Jamie
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Hi Jamie,
Sadly the 1861 census sheets for that part of Woolwich are lost/destroyed; just thought it might give me so more info about JH Pain.
Thanks for checking for me,
Nanny Jan
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Thank you Suzey for the lookups
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Hi Prue
I cannot find a Jethro Dobson in the apprentice bindings or in the "Contracts for over aged boys 1868-1926"
I suspect that Eton would be inside of the area covered by the Company Of Watermen and Lightermen as I believe that they covered from Windsor to Gravesend.
Regards
Sue
Ah well, thanks for having a look anyway Sue :) much appreciated.
Cheers
Prue
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Hello Suzey
I also have just found your thread and am hoping you would be kind enough to do a look up for me. The names I am looking for are Farson and Ward. Would really appreciate as hopefully this will take me a little further with my forebear research
Many Thanks
Val
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Hi Val
Any chance for some more info like first names, years and a area so I can narrow it down.
Regards
Sue
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Hello Sue
Thankyou for replying. I am looking for William Farson born around 1800 not sure which side of the river he was born but I think he and his family were from Southwark. He married my GGgrandmother Sarah Ward in 1818 at St Leonards Shoreditch. Her father was John Ward born around 1770/80 who came from East London.
Not sure if this is much help but will keep my fingers crossed.
Thankyou once again
Val
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Hi Val
Had a look but as you might know Ward is a poplar name so I just look for a John around the time he could be bounded.
Jno Bryan Ward bound 30/10/1788 in Barking to John Brasire completed 22/09/1796
John Ward bound 30/06/1785 in Wandsworth to William Peart completed 27/09/1792
Here are the Farson, James is the first Farson I could find.
James Farson bound 29/01/1747 in St.Saviours to Edmund Smith completed16/01/1756
Stockson Farson bound 10/04/1777 in St.Savours to James Farsons completed 15/04/1784
Richard Farson bound 19/06/1806 in Bankside to Stockdon Farson completed 28/10/1813
Stephen Farson bound 13/11/1800 in St.Saviours to Stockdon Farson completed 03/12/1807
William Farson bound 11/08/1808 in Bankside to Stephen Farson completed 26/10/1815
Hope this helps. If you need any more help please ask.
Sue
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Hello Sue
Thankyou very much for your time and help, also for the offer of further help if needed. The info you have found has helped me greatly and is much appreciated.
Many Thanks again
Val
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Hello Sue
I hope you wouldn't mind helping me again with the Ward name. I am now looking for John Ward born c1800 in Surrey, Thomas Ward born c1802 in Southwark, William Ward b c 1800 in Bermondsey/Southwark and James born c 1811 in Southwark.
I have found quite a few Ward's of different ages who were Watermen/Lightermen living on both sides of the Thames. Do you think that they may be from the same family group as I understand that this profession was kept in the family.
Also do you know what a Fellowship Porter was or did?.
Many Thanks
Val
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Hi Val
I have listed all the ones from anywhere from 1811 to 1859
Jno Ward bound 08/08/1811 at Christchurch to Thomas Tayler completed 16/10/1823
John Ward bound 23/11/1815 at Deptford to Thomas Stamford Jones completed 29/05/1823
John Buckley Ward bound 01/07/1819 at Bankside to Joseph Wilcocks completed 20/07/1826
John Charles Ward bound 26/11/1812 at Custom House to John Bryan Ward not completed 00/00/0000
John Ward bound 10/11/1825 at Gravesend to John Craft Crafter DROWNED
John Ward bound 13/01/1859 at Tower Hill to George Ward completed 10/04/1866
John Ward bound 14/10/1847 at Woolwich to William Clark MASTER DEAD
I notio
Thomas Buckley Ward Jnr bound 23/11/1815 at Bankside to Thomas Buckley Ward Snr completed 09/01/1823
Thomas Ward Jnr bound 10/11/1831 at Lambeth to Thomas Ward Snr completed 13/12/1838
William Ward bound 13/11/1845 at Billingate to Thomas Ward completed 12/04/1855
James Ward bound 31/05/1821 at Horslydown to James Wetton Ward completed 12/06/1828
James Ward bound 10/06/1858 at Bermondsey to George Baldock completed 11/07/1865
James Ward bound 12/01/1843 at Greenwich to Thomas Paul Parkinson DROWNED
I notice the name Buckley pops up alot so I have add the one below which has been reassigned.
John Buckley Ward Bound 1/7/1819 Reassigned 4/4/1823 to Thomas Buckley Ward.
As for Fellowship Porter I have found a website which might tell you. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html
Hope this helps.
Sue
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Hello Sue
Thankyou very much for the lookups and website. Again they are extremely helpful in breaking through my brickwall. Without your help the job would have been much harder.
Best Wishes
Val
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May I join the queue?
If time permits, I would be interested in William (George) Ives born 20 June 1878 Rotherhithe. Also wondering if there is a Bertram V Ives born 1912.
Thank you for your time,
g a r
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Hi g a r
I think this is your William.
William Ives bound 10/5/1898 at Newington to Thomas George Arle completed 12/5/1903
He was also listed in "Binding dates and affidavit birth proofs 1898-1949"
William Ives bound 10/5/1898 - born 20/6/1878 Rotherhithe
There are no Bertram V Ives listed.
Sue
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Thank you very much Sue!
Shame about Bertram (he was William's son).
I don't suppose there are any Ives that show up after 1918. I'm hoping that perhaps one of William's sons may have followed in his father's footsteps.
cheers,
g a r
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Hi g a r
There is no more Ives after William so it looks like they did not fellow their father's footsteps.
Sue
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Hello Suzy, Could I also ask for a look-up please? I do not have very much information on the following individuals though.
i. John BAGGOTT a lighterman who was described on a wedding cert in 1870 as "deceased formally a lighterman". I would imagine that he probably lived around the Chelsea, Battersea or, possibly Marylebone areas.
ii. John CHEESELEY c1809, a lighterman.
iii. Any names concerning CHEESLEY/CHEESELEY who were watermen. Probably Harefield, Marylebone, Chelsea, Battersea areas.
Many thanks. Rosie
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Thank you very kindly Sue. Appreciate you taking time to look.
cheers,
g a r
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Hi Rosie
This is the only John which may be him.
John William Baggott bound 24/07/1823 at Deptford to William Baggott completed 14/05/1835
James Reeve bound 12/09/1844 at Woolwich to John Baggott completed 09/10/1851
I could not find any Cheesley/Cheeseley but there was a Cheasley
Alfred John Cheasley bound 12/10/1880 at Poplar to Thomas Charles Finn completed 10/11/1885
Sue
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Thank you very much Sue.
At long last I might have something on John Baggott. Now to find the death reference.
I heard from family that there was a Cheeseley/Cheesley/Cheasley family that were "barge" people. Do you know if that would be the same trade as watermen?
Again, thank you. Rosie
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Hi Sue
Is there any chance you could do a look up on the name Anthoney for me.
The names I am particularly interested in are George Augustus born 1796 Bankside, Surrey and also William (his father) born circa 1766, I believe in Middlesex (not 100% where though yet), both are listed as Watermen on documentaion that I have found so far.
I would be very interested if you are able to locate any Anthoneys from Southwark, Bankside area of London as this seems to be where most of my Anthoney's are from and I have drawn a brickwall on this line.
Thanking you in advance.
Karen
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Hi Karen
Sorry for the delay. Here are all the Anthony/Anthoney I have found.
Richard Anthony bound 06/05/1715 at St Saviours to George Abrathat did not complete 00/00/0000
George Arrian bound 31/07/1696 at Christ Church to Gilbert Anthony Free
Robert Greenough bound 03/05/1706 at Christ Church to Gilbert Anthony completed 18/05/1716
Thomas Jenkinson bound 27/08/1703 at Christ Church to Gilbert Anthony Master Dead
Thomas Uphill bound 12/06/1696 at Christ Church to William Anthony did not complete 00/00/0000
Richard Anthoney bound 24/06/1736 at Bermondsey to Sarah Trigg did not complete 00/00/0000
Berry Anthony bound 21/08/1724 at Stepney to Giles Sharp did not complete 00/00/0000
Stephen Anthony bound 29/07/1726 at St Magn's to William Goodchild completed 28/11/1746
Thomas Anthony bound 19/09/1740 at Bermondsey to Michael West completed 12/08/1748
Henry Burton Anthony bound 07/03/1760 at Bermondsey to Thomas Anthony did not complete 00/00/0000
William Burden bound 28/12/1750 at Bermondsey to Thomas Anthony completed 15/08/1765
Anthony Anthony bound 11/10/1804 at Greenwich to Thomas Everson did not complete 00/00/0000
George Augustus Anthony bound 16/05/1811 at Fulham to George Lewis completed 11/03/1819
James Anthony bound 11/01/1798 at Stepney to Thomas Fox did not complete 00/00/0000
John Anthony bound 16/04/1789 at St Martins F'ld to Leonard Phillips did not complete 00/00/0000
William Anthony bound 26/03/1807 at Greenwich to John Buck did not comlete 00/00/0000
George Augustus Anthony bound 11/11/1847 at Hammersmith to George Augustus Anthony completed 14/12/1854
Robert Anthony bound 13/12/1855 at Hammersmith to George Augustus Anthony completed 12/09/1865
Thomas Moss bound 10/01/1828 at Poplar to George Augustus Anthony completed 11/05/1837
If they did not complete they are sometime reassigned to another master.
Thomas Anthony bound 19/09/1740 reassigned 20/04/1744 to George Weston
William Anthony bound 26/03/1807 reassigned 06/10/1808 to George Brasington
Thomas Cooke bound 05/04/1689 reassigned 05/04/1689 to John Anthony
Benjamin Harrington bound 07/11/1746 reassigned 10/03/1748 to Thomas Anthony
John Kitchwell bound 09/09/1692 reassigned 09/09/1692 to William Anthony
Daniel Webb bound 08/06/1693 reassigned 08/06/1693 to Gilbert Anthony
Thomas Ambrose Weyland bound 19/08/1763 reassigned 23/08/1763 to Thomas Anthony
Nicholas Woodams bound 04/10/1689 reassigned 08/02/1694 to Elizabeth Anthony
Hope this helps
Sue
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Hi Sue
Thank you for looking that up for me, the info you have found has helped me and is much appreciated. Hopefully I can get a bit further with this line now. :)
Thank you again
Karen
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Sue
Just come across your thread and wonder if you have time to look up George (William) Wright born c.1857.
Many thanks
Liz
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Hi Liz
Do you know what area he is in. The only one I could find which may be him:
George Wright bound 13/02/1872 at Christchurch to Henry Reseigh completed 10/04/1877
This one could be is son.
George William Wright bound 13/01/1891 at Bromley to George Wright (DIED 1898) completed 12/04/1898
Hope this helps.
Sue
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hi there,
never thought to ask before but do you do look ups for the devon watermen? my grt grandfather henry james cook was a waterman in devonport i think his son followed him too, so if you get time sue i would love any info you can find, he was born c1844 isle of white but bought up in devonport and settled there with his family in c1870
many thanks
krissy
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Sue
Many thanks for that. George Wright is a mystery until he turns up in Hull as a fisherman in 1884. He was supposed to have been born in Middlesex around 1857 so it is possible that the first person you found could be him as he would have been 15 in 1872, however, if you think the 2nd one is his son then it's not the right person as my George didn't die until 1935.
However, I will now have another trawl through Ancestry for Henry Reseigh to see whether I can find a connection.
Liz
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Hi Krissy
Sorry but the research I do is only for the Thames.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
If you have a chance any information on the following person would be very much appreciated.
John Moss born 1822 waterman / Lighterman in Bermondsey in 1841 and 1851 census.
Thanks
Peony
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Hi Peony
I think this is the one you want.
John William Moss bound 13/05/1841 at Bermondsey to James Pope freedom 08/06/1848
There are a lot of Moss names so will PM them to you.
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue
When you have the time, could you look up Huntingfords who were watermen on the Thames?
I have Benjamin John b. c1850, his father Benjamin T b. 1825, and his father Robert b. 1798. I suspect there were others also keeping it in the family.
Many thanks.
meles
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Hello Suzey, could I be very cheaky and ask for a lookup when you have time?
I'm loking for the surname LANE. My gt grandmother claimed her father was a lighterman EDWARD LANE. The guildhall library were unable to find an apprentiship for an EDWARD LANE. When I got my gt grandmother's birth certificate, no father's name was mentioned but she was born in Rotherhithe. I'd like to know whether any LANES were ever lighterman
cheers
Jillie
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Hi Jillie
Here are all the Lane's I have got.
William Bilvine bound 08/09/1693 at St Olives to Ed. Lane FREE
Francis Davies bound 08/12/1710 at Wappen to Samuell Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Francis Lane bound 12/07/1706 at Alhall Barkin to James Russell did not finish 00/00/0000
James Lane bound 20/07/1711 at Stepney to Thomas Rolph freedom 19/02/1719
John Lane bound 16/04/1708 at Bare Keys to Robert Gibbs did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Lane bound 16/12/1704 at Gravesend to George Green FREE
Richard Lane bound 22/06/1711 Saviours to William Webster did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lane bound 07/05/1714 at St Olaves to Mathew Brown freedom 12/05/1721
William Lane bound 16/01/1707 at Brainford to William Cheeseman freedom 08/05/1724
Richard Mathews bound 05/11/1703 at St Olaves to Major Edward Land FREE
Thomas Walker bound 28/07/1710 at St Thomas's to Edward Lane Maj'r did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Walsall bound 27/01/1709 at St Thomas to Edward Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Alt bound 10/03/1726 at Bermondsea to Joseph Lane DISCHARGED
Charles Ashley bound 27/04/1732 at Bermondsea to Joseph Lane RUN AWAY
John Brixcey bound 29/07/1726 St Catherines to Joseph Lane DISCHARGED
William Clarke bound 21/10/1726 at Ealing to William Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Coxell bound 10/07/1730 at Bermondsea to Joseph Lane RUN AWAY
Osmon Deverell bound 03/06/1736 at Rotherhith to John Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
William Foreman bound 17/01/1728 at Stepney to James Lane DIED AT SEA
John Globe bound 15/06/1732 at Iron Gate to Joseph Lane MARRIED
Thomas Hunt bound 09/04/1742 at Bermondsea to Joseph Lane freedom 12/07/1751
Benjamin Lane bound 01/07/1726 at Christ Church to Robert Greenough CHRIST CHURCH did not finish 00/00/0000
Blake Lane Lane bound 29/05/1724 at St Olaves to Daniel Stroud did not finish 00/00/0000
Daniel lane bound 28/08/1741 at Bermondsea to George Lester did not finish 00/00/0000
George Lane bound 28/08/1719 at Gravesend to William Cole did not finish 00/00/0000
George lane bound 30/06/1727 at Bermondsea to Robert Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Isaac lane bound 12/12/1729 at St Olaves to Thomas Lane freedom 09/09/1737
John Lane bound 23/07/1731 at Rotherhith to John Lane freedom 17/08/1738
Joseph Lane bound 08/08/1734 at Mill Stairs to Joseph Lane freedom 09/04/1742
Robert Lane bound 06/08/1731 at Bermondsey to Robert Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lane bound 14/11/1740 at Rotherhith to John Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lane bound 18/01/1722 at Wapping to Thomas Wood did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lane bound 28/04/1721 at Alhall Barkin to Edward Clement did noy finish 00/00/0000
William Lane bound 04/07/1740 at Ealing to William Lane freedom 23/10/1747
William Lane bound 06/10/1727 at Twickenham to Joseph Harris did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph miles bound 10/10/1718 at Bermondsey to James Lane 07/12/1744
Robert Parker bound 15/11/1717 at Aldgate to Joseph Lane freedom 20/06/1729
Robert Parsons bound 21/09/1722 at Bermondsea to Jos. Lane freedom 13/07/1732
James Peacock bound 24/06/1720 at Lambeth to Eliz. Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
William Skelding bound 28/07/1721 at Rotherhith to John Lane freedom 20/06/1729
John Stubbs bound 18/01/1739 at St Olaves to Isaac Lane freedom 06/02/1746
Henry Sweeting bound 10/02/1726 at Ritherhith to John Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Soloman Tedder bound 27/01/1726 at Aldgate to Joseph Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Rowland Townsend bound 11/09/1719 at St Catherins to Joseph Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
John Wake bound 26/04/1717 at Wappin to Samuel Lane MASTER DEAD
John Young bound 24/05/1739 at Bermondsey to Ann Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
John Clarke bound 01/12/1769 at Stepney to Edward Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Clee Lane bound 04/06/1778 at Greenwich to James Davis did not finish 00/00/0000
Edward Lane bound 23/08/1751 at Ratcliff to Luke Mitchelson freedom 29/09/1758
Isaac Lane bound 29/10/1778 at Southwark to Ebenzer Honnyman did not finish 00/00/0000
James Lane bound 11/03/1742 at Stepney to John Foxx freedom 25/01/1750
James Lane bound 27/05/1763 at Wapping to John Dear did not finish 00/00/0000
John Lane bound 22/11/1764 at St Saviours to John Kindman did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Lane bound 03/12/1756 at Gravesend to Thomas Bowyer did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Lane bound 01/07/1757 at Hermitage to Daniel Tasker freedom 17/07/1766
William Lane bound 25/05/1744 at Lambeth to John Beane freedom 12/07/1751
John Manning bound 04/07/1755 at Lambeth to Jocob Spencer did not finish 00/00/0000
William Parker bound 31/03/1763 at Stepney to Edward Lane freedom 21/08/1783
William Trigg bound 08/09/1758 at St GeorgeST.GEORGES MIDDX. JOSEPH LANE 25/10/1776
James Gregory bound 06/09/1810 at Borough to Edward Lane freedom 25/09/1817
Edward Lane bound 11/05/1815 at Greenhithe to John Bullock freedom 09/12/1824
Edward Lane bound 19/06/1783 at St Olives to Jonathan Puller freedom 26/09/1793
John Lane bound 07/05/1795 at St Olives to Edward Lane did not finish 00/00/0000
John Edward Lane bound 28/06/1798 at St Brides to William Nottingham did not finish 00/00/0000
Another on the way
Regards Sue
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Hi Jillie
Joseph Lane bound 13/12/1821 at Shadwell to William (Rest Unreadable) freedom 01/01/1829
Richard Lane bound 01/10/1812 at Northfleet to William Peachey did not finish 00/00/0000
Robert Lane bound 24/09/1795 at Lambeth to Charles Westwood did not finish 00/00/0000
Willaim Lane bound 05/09/1811 at Gravesend to William Webster did not finish 00/00/0000
William Mee Lane bound 18/05/1809 at Strand to Joseph Smith did not finish 00/00/0000
James Lane bound 12/06/1860 at Bromley to Thomas Lane freedom 09/07/1867
James James bound 13/10/1836 at Dartford to Richard Collins did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lane bound 08/03/1832 at Dartford to James Perkins freedom 13/02/1840
Thomas Lane bound 08/11/1855 at Bromley to Thomas Lane freedom 12/11/1878
William Lane bound 10/06/1830 at St George-East to Joseph Lane freedom 11/07/1839
William lane bound 20/07/1826 at Wapping to John Thomas did not finish 00/00/0000
William Robert Lane bound 11/09/1860 at Westminster to William Lane freedom 10/10/1865
Michael Ponton bound 14/01/1847 at Dartford to Thomas Lane KILLED USA.
Walter Allwright bound 13/02/1877 at Rotherhith to James Lane DROWNED
George Gibbons bound 10/02/1863 at Westminster to William lane freedom 10/09/1872
Henry Joseph Lane bound 14/01/1862 at Rotherhith to Arthur Read did not finish 00/00/0000
William Lane bound 10/12/1861 at Faversham to William Mc Kee freedom 12/02/1867
Thomas Wilkinson bound 09/11/1875 at Bermondsey to William Lane freedom 14/12/1880
Henry Daniel Lane bound 1893 SEP 12 at Bermondsey to Timothy Regan freedom 1901 SEP 17
Percy Lane bound 1905 MAY 9 at Rotherhith to Francis John Talbot ---- --- --
Register of contract licenses for over aged boys for the Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames 1865-1926
George Walter Firns bound 1888 FEB 23 at Stepney to William Robert Lane freedom 1890 MAR 20
Arthur Ernest Lane bound 1904 MAY 10 at West ham to Fred'k Hempleman freedom 1906 SEP 18
The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Binding dates and affidavit birth proofs 1898-1949
Charles James Lane bound 1928 OCT 9-Born 1910 OCT 2 Datford
George Charles Lane bound 1945 JUN 12-Born 1930 JUN -- Rotherhith
George Walter Lane bound 1922 JUL 25-Born 1903 NOV 16 Northfleet
Henry Charles James Lane bound 1919 SEP 9-Born 1903 FEB 10 St Olave
Henry Daniel Lane bound 1938 JAN 11-Born 1923 MAY 15 Bermondsey
James William Lane bound 1931 OCT 13-Born 1914 JUN 1 West Ham
John William Lane bound 1921 JUN 14-Born 1906 MAY 23 Gravesend
Parcy Lane bound 1905 MAY 9-Born 1889 DEC 15 Rotherhith
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Edward Lane admitted 1827 MAY 1 from Snows Fields
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
William Baker bound 1762 OCT 29 Reassigned 1767 MAY 21 To Edward Lane
Edward Coston 1709 JUN 24 Reassigned 1712 OCT 24 To Joseph Lane
Samuel Harwood bound 1743 JAN 20 Reassigned 1749 APR 28 To Joseph Lane
Charles Clee Lane bound 1778 JUN 4 Reassigned 1780 MAR 16 to John Davis
Edward Lane bound 1751 AUG 23 Reassigned 1752 JAN 17 to James Lane
Edward Lane bound 1751 AUG 23 Reassigned 1757 DEC 30 to William Bay
Henry Daniel Lane bound 1893 SEP 12 Reassigned 1898 MAR 8 to Arthur Wm Lebeau
James Lane bound 1742 MAR 11 Reassigned 1743 JUL 29 to James Lane
Robert Lane bound 1795 SEP 24 Reassigned 1796 SEP 22 to John Plumridge
William Lane bound 1740 JUL 4 Reassigned 1745 MAY 31 to William Wilson
Thomas Radcliff bound 1743 AUG 12 Reassigned 1743 MAR 2 To Ann Lane
Regards Sue
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blinkin'eck!
I thought there was going to be one or two! If I'd realised there was going to be so many with so much work for you I'd never have asked!
Thanks very, very much. Your efforts are most appreciated
Jillie
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Hi Meles
All the Huntingfords
John Huntingford bound 03/12/1703 at Wandsworth to John Huntingford did not complete 00/00/0000
Benjamin Huntingford bound 09/10/1761 at Bermondsey to Edmond Turtle freedom 14/10/1768
George Atkinson bound 15/08/1805 at Greenwich to GREENWICH Benjamin Huntingford freedom 26/11/1812
Jno Matthew Bishop bound 24/12/1812 at Greenwich to Benjamin Huntingford did not complete 00/00/0000
Jno Blundell bound 26/05/1803 at Greenwich to Benjamin Huntingford DISCHARGED
John Clements bound 30/10/1788 at Rotherhithe to Benjamin Huntingford freedom 20/10/1796
Benjamin Huntingford 17/07/1783 at Rotherhithe to Henry Crips freedom 01/09/1791
Robert Huntingford bound 10/06/1813 at Greenwich to George Mackey Snr freedom 07/02/1822
George Baker bound 14/02/1828 at Greenwich to Robert Huntingford freedom 11/07/1839
John Thomas Bromley bound 13/12/1832 at Greenwich to Benjamin Huntingford freedom 08/04/1841
William Cunningham bound 26/06/1823 at Greenwich to Robert Huntingford freedom 09/02/1832
John James Ditton bound 12/12/1850 at Greenwich to Benjamin T Huntingford freedom 14/01/1858
William Jno Hobbs bound 03/03/1825 at Greenwich to Benjamin Huntingford dod not complete 00/00/0000
Benjamin Thomas Huntingford bound 11/08/1842 at Greenwich to Robert Huntingford freedom 11/10/1849
George Huntingford bound 16/11/1854 at Twickenham to Edward Hammerton freedom 10/12/1861
Thomas J Tapsell Huntingford bound 13/08/1846 at Greenwich to Robert Huntingford freedom 08/09/1853
Samuel Sims bound 09/06/1831 at Greenwich to Robert Huntingford freedom 12/12/1839
John Richard Sopps bound 14/06/1855 at Wapping to Benjamin Th Huntingford freedom 08/07/1862
Benjamin John Huntingford bound 12/09/1865 at Rotherhithe to John Wm Hovey Jnr freedom 11/08/1874
Reuben Huntingford bound 13/05/1879 at Woolwich to Thomas J T Huntingford freedom 10/06/1884
Robert Samuel Huntingford bond 14/09/1869 at Rotherhithe to Benjamin T Huntingford did not complete 00/00/0000
Thomas Charles Huntingford bound 13/05/1873 at Woolwich to Thos J Tapsel Huntingford freedom 14/05/1878
Joseph Henry Jones bound 12/05/1863 at Twickenham to George Huntingford freedom 11/05/1869
Thomas William A Huntingford bound 1906 MAR 13 at Woolwich to Thomas c Huntingford ---- --- --
Walter Huntingford bound 1893 MAY 9 at Woolwich to Thomas J T Huntingford freedom 1898 MAY 10
Charles Huntingford bound 1865 MAY 16 at Greenwich to George Thomas Carter NOT COMP'D
Thomas William Alfred Huntingford bound 1906 MAR 13-Born 1889 JAN 18 Limehouse
Reassignment
John Owen Griffiths bound 1818 AUG 27 Reassigned 1819 AUG 26 to Benjamin Huntingford
Benjamin Huntingford bound 1783 JUL 17 Reassigned 1785 OCT 20 TO Benjamin Huntingford
Robert Huntingford bound 1813 JUN 10 Reassigned 1815 AUG 31 TO Benjamin Huntingford
Regards Sue
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Oh...my...word....!
That'll keep me quiet for a bit ;D
Thank you very much, Sue!
OH's young nephew from SA is here in London. He is a Huntingford and they have been in SA for three generations, and have no clue about their English past. Nephew has got a job on the Thames. So I did the tree and found to my amazement that it must be in the genes!
Now there are dozens of 'em!
Thanks again
meles
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If Sue is still doing lookups in the Watermen
and Lightermen apprenticeship bindings CD
could she please lookup and advise entries
for the RAYMOND surname. Among mine known to
have been lightermen just from the late 1700s
were definitely:
John Raymond 1783-1850 - father was John?
Mead Raymond 1885-1843 - father was John?
Augustus Raymond 1821-1877 - father was Mead
Mead Terry Raymond 1817-1866 -father was Mead
A similiar request message was sent to Sue's personal mailox before this topic was discovered.
Thank you,
John Raymond
Brisabne, Australia
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Could you check for a Walter (James) Phillips c 1850/60's or any persons with the surnames Waldron or Parsons please.
Rumour has it that my Gt x2 Grandfather Walter worked on the Thames in his early years (he was born c1847 in Worcester).
The Waldrons & Parsons (usual christian names were Thomas, William, James or Joseph) were Rivermen based in the Worcester area but were also rumoured to travel extensively between Worcester, the Severn & the Thames.
Many thanks
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Hi John
Here are some of the names you ask for, will send the rest of the list later by PM.
Alfred Mead Raymond bound 09/07/1835 at St Saviours to John Raymond freedom 14/07/1842
Augustus Raymond bound 14/01/1836 at Camberwell to Mead Raymond freedom 09/03/1843
John Raymond bound 10/02/1831 at Christchurch to Mead Raymond did not complete 00/00/0000
Mead Terry Raymond bound 14/04/1831 at Christchurch to Mead Raymond freedom 13/08/1840
Regards Sue
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Hi Nigel
I can not find a Walter Phillips sorry.
Can you give me any date for the Parsons and Waldron to narrow the search down.
Sue
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Hi there - the Waldron & Parsosn were contemporaries - working the rivers between c1815 & 1870.
Hope that helps ???
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Hi Nigel
I could not find any waldron but here some of the names of Parsons within the years you ask for.
There are a lot more Parsons so if any of the names in the areas you are looking for below ring a bell I could search again.
Thomas Parsons bound 03/08/1815 at Battersea to Richard Parsons did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Parsons bound 15/01/1818 at Westminster to John Atkins did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Daniel Parsons bound 06/04/1820 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Parsons completed 24/05/1827
James Parsons bound 08/10/1835 at Rotherhithe to Henry Luton completed 12/01/1843
Thomas Daniel Parsons bound 13/03/1845 at Bermondsey to Thomas Daniel Parsons DEAD
James Parsons bound 11/11/1873 at Greenwich to George Gill Parsons completed 10/12/1878
James Charles Parsons bound 11/02/1862 at Bermondsey to Thomas Daniel Parsons did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas William Parsons bound 11/08/1868 at Limehouse to Mark Shelton did not finish 00/00/0000
Hope this helps.
Sue
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Hi Sue
Could you please try a look up for William Rhodes who was described as a waterman but deceased on his son's marriage certificate in 1859. I can't say where William was working but the son (born around 1835) married and set up home in Lambeth.
Thanks
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Hi Sue - thanks for lisiting those Parsons.
The only definite Parsons I have working on the Thames was a Joseph Parsons between 1800 & 1850
Unfortunately none of the Parsons listed look as if they are related to my Parsons who were, apparently, all based out of Worcester. I can only suppose that even though they did work on the Thames, their indentures must have been Worcester based.
Thanks for checking anyway - much appreciated.
Nige
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Hi Sustev
I can not find the William Rhodes you ask for but here are all the Rhodes I have found.
Thomas Purchase bound 04/02/1725 at Three Cranes to William Rhodes did not complete 00/00/0000
Charles Rhodes bound 23/04/1731 a Wandsworth to Philip Cumlyn did not complete 00/00/0000
Francis Rhodes bound 06/01/1720 at St Olaves to Maltis Ryall completed 28/06/1728
James Rhodes bound 27/04/1722 at St Saviours to George Oldner did not completed 00/00/0000
Thomas Rhides bound 16/01/1734 at Greenwich to Charles Bynes did not complete 00/00/0000
Benjamin Richard Rhodes bound 10/09/1861 at Gravesend to William Richard Rowe did not complete 00/00/0000
Rhodes Thomas bound 09/10/1860 at Gravesend to Thomas Forss did not complete 00/00/0000
James Henry Rhodes bound 1919 APR 8 - Born 1901 DEC 15 Brentford
The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames reassignments 1688-1908
William Gibson bound 1722 JUN 15 Reassigned 1723 MAY 24 to John Rhodes
John Hilton bound 1724 OCT 30 Reassigned 1724 OCT 30 to Francis Rhodes
Francis Rhodes bound 1720 JAN 6 Reassigned 1720 JAN 6 to Francis Rhodes
James Rhodes bound 1722 APR 27 Reassigned 1722 APR 27 to Francis Rhodes
Hope this helps.
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
It doesn't look like my William was apprenticed on the Thames then. I appreciate you looking anyway.
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Hello
Please could i ask for a look up of a supposed Waterman called John Burles, he was born in 1813, so guess maybe he was a waterman 20ish years or more after that. Also be interested in any other Burles that may be recorded.
Thank you Gary
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Hi Gary
Here are all the Burles I could find and also one Burless
John Burles bound 19/05/1808 at Greenwich ** to Joseph Starkey DISCHARGED
James Henry Burles bound 11/12/1860 at Gravesend to Edmund Martin# DEAD
John Burles bound 08/09/1831 at Milton/Gravesend to John Jewiss completed 13/04/1854
John James Burles bound 13/01/1859 at Gravesend to John Burles completed 13/02/1866
Robert Henry Poynter bound 11/12/1860 at Gravesend to John Burles DEAD
George Edward Burles bound 14/03/1871 at Gravesend to John Burles completed 14/05/1878
Harry Burles bound 08/10/1872 at Gravesend to John Burles completed 09/10/1888
Thomas Ephraim Burles bound 11/05/1869 at Gravesend to John Burles did not complete 00/00/0000
John Collins bound 11/07/1865 at Gravesend to John Burles did not complete 00/00/0000
Alfred Poynter bound 09/06/1863 at Gravesend to John Burles did not complete 00/00/0000
Just one Burless
James Henry Burless bound 11/08/1842 at Lambeth to Edward George Campbell completed 14/02/1850
The Company of Waterman & Lightermen of the River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
James Henry Burles bound 1860 December 11 Reassigned 1862 June 10 to John Burles
John Burles bound 1831 September 8 Reassigned 1834 March 13 To William Robert Jarman
Hope this helps.
Sue
I have been asked by someone about the signs which I have now found out what they mean.
The # sign indicates that the apprentice was reassigned to another master during his apprenticeship period.
The ** sign means that there is additional information is to be found in the original binding book regarding an address.
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Thank you so much Sue, you will make my cousin very very happy. He thought there were only two, one of which was his great grandfather, but now has more.
Regards Gary
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Sue, if you are still doing look ups and have a bit of time could you look up a Charles Pearce for me?
Charles was 40 years old at the time of the 1841 census and living at Kings Place, Crosby Row, Bermondsey. His occupation was listed as waterman. On the marriage certificate of his son in 1859 he was listed as deceased and his occupation was lighterman.
Thanks
Norma
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Hi Norma
I have had a look and there is only one Charles Pearce.
Charles Pearce bound 03/08/1815 at Battle Bridge to Joseph Hamber freedom 24/07/1823
How this helps.
Regards
Sue
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Thanks Sue, I've sent of for his apprenticeship affidavit now.
What would be the next step to finding where he actually worked after that?
Norma
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Hi Sue
Do you have any BAYFORDs in your records please?
Specifically a William BAYFORD who (family story says) drowned around 1932 but had been working on the Thames. I have a photo which might or might not be a lighterman's boat, with William in it.
He was born about 1908 we believe.
I hope this is still within the scope of your records.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello Arronroots
Sorry but I don't have any BAYFORDs in my tree.
Good luck. Rosie
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Hello Arronroots
Sorry but I don't have any BAYFORDs in my tree.
Good luck. Rosie
Hi Rosie
Some confusion - I was hoping Suzey would be able to do an apprenticeship look-up for me.
Sorry not to be related to you, just the same!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Sue
Do you have any BAYFORDs in your records please?
Specifically a William BAYFORD who (family story says) drowned around 1932 but had been working on the Thames. I have a photo which might or might not be a lighterman's boat, with William in it.
He was born about 1908 we believe.
I hope this is still within the scope of your records.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
Update: William BAYFORD was born in 1904 (illegitimately as William Bayford ROGERS). His occupation on his marriage is "motor barge engineer" suggesting he is time-served apprentice Edit - looked again & I got it wrong - its motor, not master!
His grandfather was a lighterman - Alfred JONES who lived in Wapping, who had his own boat according to the 1891 census - can anyone throw any light on their occupational records please?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello Sue
I'm another hopeful. I would be very pleased if you would be kind enough to look up Charles Wooderson (slight chance he was called Robert and even slighter that the name is Woodson 8)) who was born in either 1809 or 1815 and worked as a waterman sometime prior to being sentenced to transportation for life from Surrey Assizes in 1832. He may have come from Carlisle or Bermondsey. Much appreciated.
Girtbysea Australia.
Since posting this, someone has most kindly searched the records for me unfortunately without success. Thanks very much to that person and other would be helpers.
Girtbysea
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Hi Arranroots
Sorry for the delay I have not been getting my rootchats emails.
Anyway no Bayford I'm afraid.
There are some Alfred Jones so I have listed them below.
Alfred Jones bound 07/11/1848 at Rotherhithe to William Blackhead Hobbs freedom 13/03/1856
Alfred Jones bound 11/06/1840 at St George-East to James Jones freedom 14/10/1847
Alfred Jones bound 10/03/1868 at Rotherhithe to Henry James Apsey freedom 11/11/1873
Alfred George Jones bound 10/10/1876 at Greenwich to John Samuel Jones freedom 14/07/1891
Alfred George Jones bound 13/12/1881 at Gravesend to George Tansley freedom 11/01/1887
Alfred Robert Wild Jones bound 09/05/1865 at Gravesend to John Thomas Jones freedom 10/10/1871
Edward Alexander Knibbs bound 08/02/1870 at St George-East to Alfred Jones freedom 14/03/1876
Alfred Jones bound 09/05/1899 at Old Ford to John Brind did not finish
Reuben Jones bound 13/04/1886 at Stepney to Alfred Jones did not finish
Alfred Leonard Jones bound 08/02/1921 at Blackheath to Alfred George Jones NOT ENTERED
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Alfred Jones bound 09/05/1876 Reassigned 11/11/1879 to Thomas Jones
Hope this helps.
Regards Sue
Hi Girtbysea
I had a look as well but like the other person no joy.
Regards Sue
Once again sorry for the delay to you both.
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Your efforts are appreciated anyway.
Thanks Sue!
Happy hunting,
Girtbysea
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Thanks Suzy - lots to work on there!
Can you tell me whether the bindings lists are comprehensive? And was an engineer likely to serve such an apprenticeship, or maybe something different?
Any opinion welcome
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots
The information I have is just an index of the bindings. Your best bet is to go or contact the Guildhall library in London who hold the originals of the waterman and lighterman bindings to get further information about anyone who appears in the indexes.
The Guildhall Libary may also be the place to check out documents for other guilds and I am sure they may be able to help point you in the right direction for engineers.
Today once someone has passed a degree in engineering they are invited to join the Institute of Engineers but I am not sure when this institute was formed or if they have the ability to check historical records (sorry never come across any engineers in my research).
Kind Regards
Sue
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Thanks once again Sue!
I will try to follow up on your clues - quite exciting to have something "different" to explore!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello Sue,
Would ou be so kind as to have a look for any of the Carter family from Greenwich for me please.
I have Robert Thomas Carter born c 1793 and his son Charles Henry Carter born 1830.
Many thanks indeed,
Kim
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Hi Kim
Here are the two you asked for.
Robert Thomas Carter bound 31/12/1807 at Greenwich ** to William Carter freedom 31/08/1815
Charles Henry Carter bound 09/09/1847 at Greenwich to Robert Thomas Carter freedom 11/06/1857
The ** sign means that there is additional information is to be found in the original binding book regarding an address.
I have only done the ones in Greenwich because there is a lot of Carter's all over London.
I will PM the rest.
Regards
Sue
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Hello Sue
Would you be so kind as to look up RICHARD JOHN CORNISH born 17 April 1841 Deptford.
He is shown on the 1861 census aged 19 as being a watermans apprentice living at 40 High St Deptford.
Thank you very much indeed & kind regards. Jaime :-*
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Hi Jaime
I have found him.
Richard John Cornish bound 13/08/1857 at Deptford to Richard Aldridge Smith freedom 13/09/1864
There are a lot of Cornish so I will send the rest by PM when I get a bit more time to sort them out.
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue if you have chance could you look up My Deal family from bermondsey/rotherhithe.They were waterman, I am interested in Matthew Deal born c1793, but any Deals would tie things up. Thanks Denise
8)
Deal;Haines;Henderson;Kendrick;Fuller;Pearch;Poole;Brown;Jennings;Russell;Hearn/hurne
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Hi Suzey,
Only noticed this thread today!
I have 2 waterman in my family tree. Please could you check if their names exsist in your records?
The first Stephen Richardson was born 1797 in Keswick Cumberland. He definately was an apprentice in 1816 living in Maryport Cumberland.
The second I have less details on but he is cited as a waterman on his childs parish birth record. His name is William Page. His first child was born in 1818 in Rochester Kent. Therefore William Page would be born approx 1790s ish!!
Do you know where I can get any further information on Watermen?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chris
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Hi Chris
Sorry but the research I do is only for the Thames.
Regards Sue
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Hi Denise
Here are all the Deal I can find.
William Deal bound 07/11/1718 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Daniel Sutton bound 26/08/1720 at Bermondsea to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Francis Bowne bound 04/11/1757 at St.Olaves to John Dealdid not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 11/09/1766 at St.Catherines to Charles Rickasie did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno. Deal bound 05/01/1804 at Bermondsey ** to William Randall Deal freedom 16/05/1811
Matthew Deal bound 23/04/1807 at Bermondsey ** to Thomas Deal Snr freedom 09/06/1814
Randall Deal bound 30/05/1822 at Bermondsey to John Messenger freedom 09/07/1829
Randall William Deal bound 21/08/1800 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal freedom 31/12/1807
Thomas Deal bound 16/04/1789 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Morris freedom 05/05/1796
Thomas Deal Jnr bound 21/12/1815 at Cherry Garden to Thomas Deal Snr did not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 27/07/1820 at Bermondsey to William Randall freedom 09/08/1827
Charles Quere Harston bound 01/09/1814 at Cherry Garden to Wm.Randall Deal freedom 12/12/1822
James Saunders bound 23/07/1801 at Rotherhithe ** to Thomas Deal Jnr freedom 29/12/1808
Edward Stannard bound 18/05/1786 at Bermondsey to John Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
William Jenkins Thompson bound 23/03/1809 at Rotherhithe ** to William Randall Deal freedom 09/05/1816
Alfred Deal bound 14/10/1858 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal (Younger) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Thomas Deal bound 14/10/1824 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Deal DROWNED
Henry By Deal bound 04/01/1827 at St Mary Abchurch to Charles William By freedom 09/01/1834
Randall Deal bound 09/08/1849 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal freedom 11/09/1856
Robert Deal bound 09/08/1855 at Greenwich to Randall Deal freedom 11/07/1865
Thomas Deal bound 14/01/1836 at Rotherhithe to Henry By Deal freedom 10/10/1844
William Deal bound 09/12/1847 at Rotherhithe to William Deal freedom 14/12/1854
Henry Jno. Hambrook bound 10/11/1825 at Bermondsey to John Deal freedom 13/12/1832
William Mayhew bound 13/03/1856 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younder) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Bowles Deal bound 13/07/1869 at Bermondsey to Francis Wm Hedger freedom 13/10/1874
Charles Newton Deal bound 12/08/1879 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 09/11/1886
Edward Deal bound 09/11/1880 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 08/02/1887
Edwin Thomas Deal bound 09/04/1872 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younger) freedom 13/05/1879
George Deal bound 10/04/1877 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/10/1883
Matthew John Deal bound 10/09/1867 at Bermondsey to Charles Matt'w W Morris did not finish 00/00/0000
Randall Deal bound 08/09/1874 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/11/1880
John Stanley Johnson bound 08/08/1865 at Poplar to Randal Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Christopher Edward Blythe bound AUG 10 at Bermondsey to Edwin Thomas Deal# CANCELLED
Albert Edward Deal bound 1890 AUG 12 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 1895 SEP 10
William John Harding bound 1907 MAR 12 at Camberwell to Randel Deal freedom 1909 APR 23
Arthur Wells bound 1892 OCT 11 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 1895 MAY 14
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Sarah Deal (Wife Of Thomas) Admitted 1818 FEB 24 From Bermondsey
William Deal Admitted 1794 Before From Greenwich College
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Edward Andrews bound 1781 JUN 28 Reassigned 1784 JUL 1 To Thomas Deal
Henry By Deal bound 1827 JAN 4 Reassigned 1829 MAR 12 To Thomas Deal Snr.
James Lawrence bound 1838 OCT 11 Reassigned 1841 MAR 11 To Henry By Deal
Hiram Harris Slade bound 1810 APR 19 Reassigned 1811 DEC 26 To Thomas Deal
James Tilroy bound 1758 MAY 12 Reassigned 1763 FEB 4 To William Deal
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue
I wonder if I could please ask you to look up James Lomax/ lomas Waterman
He was born 1797c
Shoreditch, Middlesex England
So I guess working from around 1819 when his son James was born & christened in Shoreditch, Middlesex England
Many Thanks Judi
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Hi Sue. Thankyou sooo much. ;)Denise
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Thanks any way Sue.
Chris
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Hi Judi
Just a one question in the surname you want me to look for Waterman because there is only one Lomax/ lomas but he is about 100 years earlier. He is only a master to someone.
James Stainer bound 31/05/1706 at Gravesend to John Lomas did not finish 00/00/0000
Let me know and I can search for you.
Regards Sue
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Hi sue
Many thanks for the look up, I have taken the details could well be connected but before you spend any time looking further. I will do some more research.
Would hate to waste your time
Many thanks Judi
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Hello Sue. If you have the time could you please do a 'look up' for me.
I have an unusual surname in my family tree, and many were Watermen from Greenwich and surrounding areas around the late 1700's to mid 1800's. I am looking for the surname Penniall, Penniale, Pennyale.
Many thanks.
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Hi justina
Here are all the Penniall and Penniall I can find.
Edward Page bound 30/07/1708 at St.Olaves to Matthew Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno Pennyale bound 05/05/1710 at Depthford to Jno Brittaine did not finish 00/00/0000
William Price bound 26/08/1709 at St.Olaves to Robert Pennyale freedom 21/08/1724
Jonah Warren bound 13/01/1709 at St.Olaves to Mathew Pennyale did not finish 00/00/0000
Mathew Pennyale bound 05/06/1719 at Billingsgate to Bridgett Pennyale freedom 06/09/1728
Robert Pennyale bound 14/04/1721 at St.Olaves to Robert Pennyale freedom 24/04/1730
Abraham Davis bound 17/08/1738 at NOT GIVEN to Mathew Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Jaques bound 24/06/1736 at St.Olaves to Robert Penniall freedom 21/10/1748
William Myell bound 26/01/1727 at St.Olaves to Robert Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Bramston John Penniall bound 28/06/1776 at Newington to Joshua Pennial did not finish 00/00/0000
John Penniall bound 24/11/1749 at Newington to Matthew Peniall freedom 23/04/1762
William Brown bound 04/06/1795 at Greenwich to John Penniall freedom 09/12/1802
William Derrick bound 19/07/1804 at Greenwich ** to George Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Hubbard bound 06/08/1789 at Greenwich to John Penniall freedom 19/10/1797
James Pennial bound 19/10/1797 at Greenwich to John Pennial freedom 10/10/1805
George Penniall bound 11/04/1793 at Greenwich to William Funge freedom 01/05/1800
George Penniall bound 26/11/1812 at Greenwich to Thomas Sprules did not finish 00/00/0000
James Penniall bound 08/03/1821 at Greenwich to James Penniall freedom 08/10/1835
James Penniall bound 14/12/1820 at Greenwich to George Penniall freedom 13/03/1828
John Penniall bound 30/09/1790 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 19/10/1797
John Penniall Jnr. bound 27/08/1818 at Greenwich to John Penniall Snr. freedom 13/10/1825
Joshua Penniall bound 10/10/1805 at Greenwich ** at James Penniall freedom 28/10/1813
Edward Langley Powling bound 21/01/1813 at Greenwich to James Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Richard Penniall bound 14/07/1842 at Greenwich to Edmund John Penniall freedom 10/02/1853
Daniel Penniall bound 08/05/1860 at Greenwich to Thomas Charles Penniall freedom 14/04/1868
Edmund George Penniall bound 13/03/1856 at Greenwich to Thomas Samuel Ribbins did not finish 00/00/0000
Edmund John Penniall bound 09/09/1830 at Greenwich to George Penniall freedom 09/08/1838
Frederick Penniall bound 13/09/1855 at Charlton to James Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
James Joshua Penniall bound 13/03/1860 at Greenwich to James Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
John Penniall bound 08/12/1842 at Greenwich to John Penniall# did not finish 00/00/0000
Joshua Penniall bound 02/06/1825 at Greenwich to James Penniall freedom 12/11/1835
Richard Charles Penniall bound 14/07/1859 at Greenwich to Edmund John Penniall# freedom 14/08/1866
Samuel Charles Penniall bound 12/12/1850 at Greenwich to Thomas Charles Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Charles Penniall bound 13/09/1827 at Greenwich to John Brown freedom 14/07/1836
Thomas Sprules Penniall bound 13/03/1856 at Greenwich to Thomas Charles Penniall did not finish 00/00/0000
William Penniall bound 09/08/1832 at Greenwich to John Taylor freedom 11/06/1840
Edward Percival bound 09/08/1827 at Greenwich to John Penniall Jnr. freedom 09/07/1835
Joshua Robert Ricketts bound 13/08/1857 at Greenwich to William Penniall# freedom 13/12/1864
George Adam Penniall bound 14/07/1863 at Charlton to James Penniall did not finiah 00/00/0000
George William Penniall bound 13/05/1862 at Greenwich to Edmund John Penniall# freedom 09/08/1870
William John Penniall bound 11/08/1868 at Greenwich to Richard Chas. Penniall# freedom 11/05/1875
Alfred Henry Penniall bound 1923 MAR 27-Born 1908 FEB 11 Greenwich
Charles Joseph Penniall bound 1917 SEP 13-Born 1903 JUL 24 Greenwich
Douglas Ernest Penniall bound 1948 DEC 14-Born 1933 OCT 1 Lambeth
Ernest Charles Penniall bound 1930 MAR 11-Born 1914 OCT 21 Greenwich
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Richard Brain bound 1811 JUN 13 Reassigned 1813 OCT 28 To James Penniall
William Gillett bound 1805 JAN 31 Reassigned 1809 NOV 30 To James Penniall
George Penniall bound 1793 APR 11 Reassigned 1794 AUG 28 To Thomas Raine
George William Penniall bound 1862 MAY 13 Reassigned 1866 APR 10 To Johannah Penniall
John Penniall bound 1842 DEC 8 Reassigned 1847 DEC 9 To Sarah Ann Penniall
Richard Charles Penniall bound 1859 JUL 14 Reassigned 1866 APR 10 To Johanna Penniall
William John Penniall bound 1868 AUG 11 Reassigned 1872 MAY 14 To George Warner
James Stockwell bound 1831 MAY 12 Reassigned 1852 OCT 14 To William Penniall
John Pritchard Williams bound 1831 MAR 10 Reassinged 1832 JAN 12 To James Penniall
Regards Sue
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Hi suzey
I wonder if you can find any FUNGEs please? (In fact I searched for the name and that led me to this thread - there was a FUNGE in your last post).
Thanks :)
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Hi GeoffE
Here are all the Funges I could find.
William Funge bound 03/10/1811 at Greenwich to Thomas Wilson freedom 12/05/1853
William Funge bound 23/03/1809 at Greenwich** to James Stockwell DISCHARGED
George Palley bound 05/02/1801 at Greenwich to William Funge did not finish 00/00/0000
George Penniall bound 11/04/1793 at Greenwich to William Funge freedom 01/05/1800
Thomas Reed bound 02/06/1796 at Greenwich to William Funge did not finish 00/00/0000
John Isaac Funge bound 13/11/1834 at Greenwich to William Spooner freedom 10/02/1842
Joseph Funge bound 11/08/1853 at Greenwich to Thomas Balls# freedom 14/08/1860
William Funge bound 11/04/1833 at Greenwich to Thomas William Harris did not finish 00/00/0000
George Thomas Hinton bound 11/12/1845 at Greenwich to John Isaac Funge freedom 14/04/1853
James Jury bound 13/12/1849 at Greenwich to John Isaac Funge freedom 12/06/1860
George Funge bound 10/11/1863 at Greenwich to John Isaac Funge freedom 14/02/1871
John Alfred Funge bound 09/09/1862 at Greenwich to John Isaac Funge freedom 14/06/1870
William Charles Funge bound 09/06/1863 at Greenwich to Joseph Funge did not finish 00/00/0000
James Edward Henry Thomas bound 12/10/1880 at Greenwich/Grav'd to John Alfred Funge freedom 14/04/1896
Robert William Vickers bound 13/05/1879 at Greenwich to George Funge freedom 09/06/1885
Edmund John Bone bound 08/05/1894 at Gravesend to George Funge# freedom 16/09/1902
George Henry Bone bound 08/01/1889 at Grenwich to George Funge DIED 1894
John Funge Raine bound 10/06/1890 at Gravesend to Thomas Alfred Raine# MASTER DEAD
William Funge(Tunge) bound 28/07/1785 at Greenwich to John Hiller freedom 14/02/1793
William Tunge(Funge) bound 28/07/1785 at Greenwich to John Hiller freedom 14/02/1793
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Joseph Funge bound 1853 AUG 11 Reassigned 1859 DEC 8 to Edward French
John Funge Raine bound 1890 JUN 10 Reassigned 1896 AUG 11 To Jasper Raine
Regards
Sue
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That's brilliant Sue! Thanks :D
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Many thanks Sue, that is absolutley fantastic.
You deserve a medal.
Justina.
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Hello Sue
Just found this thread today. Please could you look for a Charles OXFORD round about 1810 or so. If there are other OXFORDs that would be good too ;D
Di
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Is there any information about the Watermen around Manchester and Salford? There was a 'riot' of some proportion by the Weaver Watermen and the evolution of railways had impact everywhere. There were photographs of vessels in the centre of Manchester on the Irwell in front of the Cathedral. There has to be a register of names of some sort?
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Hi Di
There is no Charles but here are the rest I found.
William Hines bound 18/12/1730 at Wapping to Henry Oxford did not finish 00/00/0000
Henry Oxford bound 30/11/1722 at Shadwell to Thomas Swan# freedom 18/12/1730
Batt. Clarke bound 26/09/1746 at Wappin to Henry Oxford did not finish 00/00/0000
Horace Henry Oxford bound 14/5/1899 at Limehouse to Joseph Every Gatling ---- --- --
Horace Henry Oxford bound 1899 MAR 14-BORN 1883 FEB 20 at St.Pauls, Deptford
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Henry Oxford bound 1722 NOV 30 Reassigned 1724 AUG 7 To Joseph Sampson
Regards Sue
Hi Bircle
Sorry only do The River Thames.
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue
Many thanks for the lookup. Will now look and see if any of them fit! Pity there wasn't a Charles but I'll keep hunting.
Kind regards
Di
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Sue
I would appreciate a search of the index for WILLIAM MAN/N
waterman known to be at Deptford c. 1800 a daughter married into the Anthony family, also watermen. Believe other MAN/N's also plied the river?
thankyou
from another Sue
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Hi Suzey
I have just spotted your post and was wondering if you would be so kind as to look up John Pugh c1809 he was a waterman originally from Worcester but I cannot find him on the 1851/1861 census so I believe he must have been somewhere else. Hope this is all you need information wise to check on you bindings
Kind Regards
Sheila
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Hi Sue
There is only three William which could be yours going by the marriage of the daughter
William Mann bound 07/08/1752 at Kings Arms to Edward Cooke freedom 13/05/1763
William Mann bound 15/02/1744 at Yantlett to George Foster did not finish 00/00/0000
William Mann bound 20/11/1761 at St Mary At Hill to Henry Mann freedom 08/06/1770
There are a lot of Man/n so if you would like any more let me know and I will sent them via PM.
Sue
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Hi Sheila
Here are all the Pugh I could find which could be related, if yours worked on the Thames.
William Pugh bound 19/07/1706 at Rotherhith to Robert Hollifax did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Pugh bound 21/04/1727 at Gravesend to John Buckland# MASTER DEAD
William Bruin bound 17/07/1761 at Wandsworth to Richard Pugh did not finish 00/00/0000
John Pugh bound 26/09/1816 at Cox's Quay to James Beckett freedom 13/11/1823
Mark Haywood Lineaman bound 09/04/1857 at Whitechapel to Louis Knapp Pugh# freedom 12/09/1865
John Pugh bound 12/08/1858 at Limehouse to John William Pugh did not finish 00/00/0000
John William Pugh bound 13/05/1841 at Limehouse to George Bradley freedom 12/04/1849
Louis Knapp Pugh bound 12/01/1843 at Wapping to Samuel Stutchbury freedom 11/04/1850
William Pugh bound 08/06/1843 at Horslydown to William Wilmot Waller freedom 12/12/1850
James Pugh bound 08/08/1899at POPLAR to William George Richman did not finish ---- --- --
Walter Henry Pugh bound 14/03/1899 at Poplar to Wm George Richman did not finish ---- --- --
Colin George Pugh Bound 1949 AUG 9-Born 1929 SEP 20 at Gravesend
Edward Albert Pugh bound 1947 APR 8-Born 1932 JAN 21 at Rotherhithe
Evan Vaughan Pugh Bound 1937 DEC 14-Born 1922 APR 8 at Rotherhithe
James Pugh Bound 1899 AUG 8-Born 1880 SEP 23 at Poplar
Walter Henry Pugh Bound 1899 MAR 14-Born 1883 DEC 19 at Poplar
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
John Drinan Bound 1861 MAR 12 Reassigned 1861 NOV 12 To Louis Knapp Pugh
John Pugh Bound 1816 SEP 26 Reassigned 1821 DEC 13 To Jonathan Pope
Thomas Pugh Bound 1727 APR 27 Reassigned 1729 FEB 6 To Thomas Hall
Samuel Edward Stutchbury Bound 1859 JAN 13 Reassigned 1861 APR 9 To Louis Knapp Pugh
Hope this helps.
Sue
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Hi Sue
Thank you so much for having a look for me, I shall start checking the names out now as quite a few Pugh's worked as Watermen.
Your time and trouble is much appreciated
Sheila
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Hi Sue,
Would it be possible to check for the name Halfpenny. I have been told we are from a long line of watermen/lightermen.
Thanks for the kind offer.
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Hi
Here are all the Halfpennys I could find with some different spellings.
William Faireman bound 24/05/1695 at Deptford to Edward Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
James Blaybe Halfpenny bound 22/11/1706 at Deptford to Edward Halfepenny freedom 10/05/1717
Anthony Safe bound 04/11/1698 at Deptford to Edward Halfpenny# did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Smith bound 15/10/1704 at Deptford to Edward Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
John Cox bound 28/06/1728 at Deptford to James Blab. Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Andrew Godwin bound 09/09/1720 at Deptford to James Blaby Halfpenny freedom 20/02/1729
William Jones bound 12/06/1724 at Deptford to James Blab. Halfpenny freedom 03/02/1736
James Blab. Halfpeny bound 27/06/1734 at Deptford to James Blab. Halfpeny freedom 28/08/1741
John Halfpeny bound 26/03/1731 at Deptford James Blab. Halfpeny freedom 29/04/1743
Thomas Halfpeny bound 22/05/1741 at Greenwich to William Davis# freedom 12/08/1748
Andrew Appleplex bound 04/03/1763 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
William Bannister bound 28/11/1746 at Deptford James Blab'y Halfpenny freedom 14/08/1761
Jonathan Bear bound 16/12/1774 at Deptford James Halfpenny# freedom17/01/1782
Samuel Bullock bound 24/11/1749 at Greenwich to Thomas halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
James Coxford bound 10/01/1772 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Edward Ford bound 18/12/1747 at Deptford to John Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Edward Halfpenny bound 20/07/1780 at Greenwich to Samuel Halfpenny freedom 21/02/1788
James Halfpenny bound 10/04/1761 at Deptford to William Wright freedom 11/09/1772
John Halfpenny bound 03/11/1752 at Deptford to James Halfpenny freedom 04/02/1763
Samuel Halfpenny bound 21/05/1767 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 24/06/1774
Thomas halfpenny bound 19/03/1778 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 29/12/1785
William Halfpenny bound 22/07/1748 at Greenwich to Thomas Coggen# did not finish 00/00/0000
John Sims bound 23/09/1774 at Greenwich to Samuel Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Martin Edward bound 06/04/1744 at Deptford to James Halfpeny freedom 04/07/1755
Robert Blackburn bound 03/02/1803 at Deptford ** to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 22/02/1810
William Bromfield bound 18/05/1786 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 06/06/1793
Benjamin Burgess bound 17/04/1788 at Greenwich to Samuel Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
George Carter bound 01/11/1810 at Greenwich ** to Samuel Halfpenny freedom 26/06/1823
Thomas Crow bound 18/03/1784 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Jno. Dunbar bound 24/08/1797 at Gravesend to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 16/06/1808
Thomas Everson bound 01/11/1787 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 27/05/1802
Edward Halfpenny bound 01/10/1812 at Greenwich to Edward Halfpenny freedom 19/10/1820
John halfpenny bound 24/12/1788 at Deptford to John Halfpenny DEAD
John halfpenny bound 27/11/1788 at Deptford to Thomas Spilsberry freedom 14/10/1802
John Fry Halfpenny bound 16/11/1820 at Deptford to Thomas Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Halfpenny bound 15/08/1805 at Greenwich ** to Samuel Halfpenny freedom 01/10/1812
Thomas Halfpenny bound 03/07/1817 at Greenwich to Edward Halfpenny freedom 10/01/1828
Thomas Halfpenny bound 05/07/1792 at Deptford to Thomas Croucher freedom 17/10/1799
William Halfpenny bound 09/02/1797 at Deptford to John Lenox freedom 01/03/1804
James Jameson bound 01/05/1800 at Greenwich to Sarah Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
John Penniall bound 30/09/1790 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 19/10/1797
Simon Sanderson bound 11/04/1793 at Greenwich to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 26/09/1816
John Stent bound 03/05/1798 at Greenwich to Edward Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Wheatler bound 13/03/1794 at Greenwich to Edward Halfpenny freedom 20/08/1801
Thomas William barnard bound 08/02/1844 at shadwell to Thomas halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
James Charles Halfpenny bound 13/11/1828 at Deptford to Thomas Halfpenny freedom 14/04/1836
James Thomas Halfpenny bound 16/11/1854 at deptford to James Charles Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph halfpenny bound 10/11/1842 at shadwell to John Alex. Harney(Harvey) freedom 13/02/1851
William Halfpenny bound 11/10/1838 at Greenwich to Edward Wm. Griffiths DROWNED
William Robert Halfpenny bound 08/02/1855 at Stepney to Thomas Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Parker bound 10/09/1861 at Deptford to James Chas. Halfpenny# freedom 12/03/1867
John Thomas Hague Sizer bound 09/07/1846 at Deptford to James Charles Halfpenny freedom 14/07/1853
Benjamin Albert Gaston bound 13/02/1866 at Deptford to James Charles Halfpenny did not finish 00/00/0000
John William Harney bound 13/10/1863 at Ratcliff to Joseph Halfpenny freedom 08/12/1868
Regards Sue
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Hi
Could not get them on one so heres the rest.
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Sarah Ann Halfpenny (wife of Edward) admitted 1833 FEB 19 From Greenwich
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
James Elliott bound 1780 JUL 20 reassigned 1786 OCT 5 To Thomas Halfpenny
James Charles Halfpenny bound 1828 NOV 13 reassigned 1830 MAR 11 To Sarah Halfpenny
William Halfpenny bound 1797 FEB 9 reassigned 1801 JUL 23 To Thomas Halfpenny
Thomas Halfpenny bound 1741 MAY 22 reassigned 1742 OCT 1 To William Clavell
William Halfpenny bound 1748 JUL 22 reassigned 1748 FEB 24 To George Toward
William Halfpenny bound 1748 JUL 22 reassigned 1750 SEP 7 To Susannah Toward
Benjamin Johnson bound 1793 JUL 4 reassigned 1795 MAR 12 To Thomas Halfpenny
Ambrose Ross bound 1806 APR 24 reassigned 1811 JUN 13 To William Halfpenny
Hope this helps.
Regards Sue
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Thank -you so much Sue, you're a star!!
Should keep me busy for quite a while. ;D
Could I be really cheeky and ask you to check the name Barham ?
Thanks once again for your help.
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Hi Sue
Please could you look for my BOGG Lightermen, Benjamin, Charles, Walter and any others if possible, on
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837 and
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
I have their information from the Binding records.
Thank you
Reyz
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Hi Halfpenny
Not to many this time.
Charles Barham bound 28/07/1721 at Greenwich to Thomas Ferrabee did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Barham bound 27/07/1738 at Garlick Hith to John Hoar DEAD 1744
Charles Barham bound 30/07/1762 at Deptford to Francis Wookcock Jnr. DISCHARGED
John Barham bound 26/05/1803 at Blackfriars ** to Simon King did not finish 00/00/0000
Arthur Alfred Chas Barham bound 12/05/1874 at Bermondsey to John Barham freedom 10/06/1879
John Barham bound 13/11/1866 at Blackfriars to James Morley freedom 08/07/1873
William Barham bound 09/04/1872 at Bermondsey to William Dixon Abbott freedom 08/05/1877
George Robert Barham bound 1906 SEP 18 at Northfleet to Stephen Fry freedom 1911 DEC 14
James George Barham bound 1895 FEB 12 at Chiswick to Francis Thomas Maynard did not finish ---- --- --
William Christopher Barham bound 1892 MAY 10 at Bermondsey to William Barham did not finish ---- --- --
John Thomas bound 1892 OCT 11 at Rotherhithe to Arthur A Chas Barham freedom 1898 JAN 11
William Henry Thomas bound 1894 MAY 8 at Rotherhithe to Arthur A Chas Barham freedom 1902 APR 8
Dennis Barham bound 1945 SEP 11-Born 1929 MAR 10 at Wickford
George Robert Barham bound 1906 SEP 18-Born 1887 JUN 4 at West Maidstone
Ronald Walter Barham bound 1946 FEB 12-Born 1926 SEP 24 at Gravesend
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Alfred James Jack bound 1869 NOV 9 Reaasigned 1874 JUN 9 To John Barham
Sue
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Thank you so much again!
You have certainly given me plenty to get on with!
Cheers :)
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Hi Reyz
Here are all the Bogg I can find.
Richard Bogg bound 19/02/1741 at St.Saviours to John Broom# freedom 25/05/1750
William Bogg bound 27/02/1740 at Lambeth to Jacob Salter freedom 23/09/1748
Charles Bateman bound 25/07/1765 at Bermondsey to John Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
John Bogg bound 24/05/1754 at Bermondsea to Elizabeth Underwood# freedom 18/03/1763
Thomas Grimes bound 28/06/1781 at Bermondsey to John Bogg freedom 04/09/1788
John Howlett bound 12/05/1775 at Bermondsey to John Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
William Tasker bound 12/10/1770 at Bermondsey to John Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
Henry Bannehr bound 01/07/1819 at Bermondsey to Samuel John Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Bensley bound 10/05/1792 at Bermondsey to John Hugh Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
James Carr Bogg bound 27/03/1806 at Bermondsey ** to John Hugh Bogg freedom 06/06/1816
Jno. Hugh Bogg bound 17/04/1783 at St.Johns,Swk. to Alexander Robbins freedom 13/05/1790
John Bogg bound 23/11/1815 at Bermondsey to John Hugh Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Jno. Bogg bound 31/10/1811 at Bermondsey to John Hugh Bogg freedom 19/11/1818
Thomas George Bogg bound 18/03/1813 at Rotherhithe to Samuel Emery Mussett freedom 06/04/1820
William Bogg bound 10/07/1788 at Bermondsey to Pasqual Bailliow freedom 27/08/1795
James Sinclair Christie bound 07/02/1822 at Bermondsey to John Hugh Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
John Fletcher bound 09/03/1797 at Bermondsey John Hugh Bogg 00/00/0000
James Moor bound 05/04/1798 Bermondsey to John Bogg Snr freedom 05/10/1809
William Edward Pampliton bound 06/12/1804 Bermondsey ** to William Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Rogers bound 14/01/1798 Bermondsey to William Bogg freedom 20/04/1809
George Sackett bound 20/04/1786 Bermondsey to John Bogg freedom 23/10/1794
Thomas Stafford bound 26/09/1793 Bermondsey to John Bogg freedom 27/05/1802
Samuel Thorne bound 04/02/1802 Bermondsey ** to Jno. Hugh Bogg freedom 23/03/1809
Benjamin Bogg bound 13/05/1858 Peckham to Thomas George Bogg# freedom 11/07/1865
Robert Edward Bogg bound 13/04/1854 Peckham to Thomas George Bogg# freedom12/06/1866
Thomas George Bogg bound 11/11/1847 Bermondsey to Thomas George Bogg freedom 12/07/1855
Charles James Job bound 11/10/1827 Bermondsey to Thomas George Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
John Loader bound 11/12/1856 Horselydown to Thomas George Bogg freedom 08/03/1864
Edward Daniel Turner bound 10/09/1840 Bermondsey to Thomas George Bogg freedom 09/05/1850
Samuel Watters bound 13/11/1834 Bermondsey to Samuel John Bogg did not finish 00/00/0000
Frederic William Bird bound 09/05/1871 Bermondsey to Benjamin Bogg freedom 10/07/1877
JOHN Samuel Bogg bound 12/09/1876 Stepney to Henry Robert Mears freedom 11/10/1881
Thomas George Bogg bound 10/11/1874 St.George-East to William Morgan Gillis freedom 10/02/1880
Charles Hilton Bogg bound 1888 MAR 13 Deptford to Benjamin Bogg freedom 1893 MAR 14
Frank Lewis Bogg bound 1906 FEB 13 City to Thomas George Bogg freedom 1913 FEB 27
John samuel Bogg bound 1902 NOV 11 Stratford to Thomas George Bogg freedom 1910 FEB 10
Thomas George Bogg bound 1902 FEB 11 Stratford to Thomas George Bogg freedom 1909 MAY 11
Walter Alec Bogg bound 1894 JUL 10 Woodford to benjamin Bogg freedom 1902 APR 8
Maurice Stanford L Still bound 1905 FEB 14 Leytonstone to Thomas George Bogg did not finish ---- --- --
Albert Edward Young bound 1891 MAY 12 Deptford to Benjamin Bogg freedom 1898 JUN 14
Henry Boltwood bound 1897 JUN 8 Rotherhithe St. to Benjamin Bogg freedom 1899 JUN 13
Edmund Stanford L Still bound 1902 MAY 13 Hockley, Essex to Benjamin Bogg freedom 1904 JUN 14
Albert Bogg bound 1912 FEB 8-Born 1896 JUN 26 Leyton
Frank Lewis Bogg bound 1906 FEB 13-Born 1889 SEP 8 Limehouse
Frank Louis Bogg bound 1940 MAR 12-Born 1923 JAN 28 Poplar
Frederick Paul Bogg bound 1910 JAN 13-Born 1892 DEC 1 Limehouse
John Samuel Bogg bound 1902 NOV 11-Born 1886 SEP 22 Ratcliff
Russell John Bogg bound 1939 NOV 14-Born 1925 APR 29 Rochford
Thomas George Bogg bound 1902 FEB 11-Born 1886 SEP 22 Ratcliff
Thomas George Bogg bound 1933 JAN 17-Born 1917 APR 4 Stepney
Trever Henry William Bogg bound 1945 APR 10-Born 1928 DEC 3 Poplar
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Mary Bogg Admitted 1825 JUL 14 From Bermondsey
Mary Bogg (Wife Of James) Admitted 1833 FEB 19 From Bermondsey
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Benjamin Bogg bound 1858 MAY 13 Reassigned 1858 DEC 9 TO MARTHA BOGG
John Bogg bound 1754 MAY 24 Reassigned 1759 FEB 23 To Michael Ireland
John Bogg bound 1803 JAN 6 Reassigned 1805 MAY 23 To John Bogg Sne.
John Hugh Bogg bound 1783 APR 17 Reassigned 1789 JUN 11 To Thomas Grimes
Richard Bogg bound 1741 FEB 19 Reassigned 1745 MAR 29 To William Masterman
Robert Edward Bogg bound 1854 APR 13 Reassigned 1858 OCT 14 To Martha Bogg
Thomas George Bogg bound 1813 MAR 18 Reassigned 1814 SEP 29 To Henry Trumble
Thomas George Bogg bound 1813 MAR 18 Reassigned 1817 JAN 16 To James Carr Bogg
William Bogg bound 1788 JUL 10 Reassigned 1791 FEB 17 To John Hugh Bogg
William Bogg bound 1788 JUL 10 Reassigned 1791 NOV 24 To John Bogg
James Sinclair Christie bound 1822 FEB 7 Reassigned 1823 MAY 29 To John Bogg
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue
Interesting!
Many thanks for your time and trouble. :)
Best wishes
Reyz
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hello sue
please could you look up in your THAMES REASSIGNMENTS and ADMISSIONS LIST FOR PENSIONERS,[got the bindings myself], for the names worwood/warwood, whellock and fenton.
thank you
chloe
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Hi Chloe
Sorry for the delay have been away so no computer or network.
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
James Worwood bound 1820 SEP 21 Reassigned 1825 MAR 31 To Arthur Haws Whellock
James Robert Worwood bound 1871 OCT 10 Reassigned 1876 OCT 10 To George R. Worwood
John Maslen bound 1855 NOV 8 Reassigned 1861 JUN 11 To William Whellock
William Whellock bound 1834 NOV 13 Reassigned 1841 OCT 14 To Alexander Hinds
George Neal Fenton bound 1864 DEC 13 Reassigned 1868 APR 14 To Mary Ann Fenton
ERichard Fenton bound 1822 AUG 22 Reassigned 1829 FEB 12 To Ann Fenton
Robert Fenton bound 1827 NOV 8 Reassigned 1829 FEB 12 To Ann Fenton
Robert Joseph Fenton bound 1781 OCT 25 Reassigned 1785 NOV 3 To John J. Crossfield
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Hannah Fenton Admitted 1809 FEB -- From Horslydown
Hannah Fenton Readmitted 1826 MAY 1 From Horslydown
Regards
Sue
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Hi
I am not sure whether this is the right thread, but I could use some advice. Would there be a site which would deal with bargemasters from the Wallingford/ Reading area?
The name of the family was Reading or Readings and variations.
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Hi, I hope someone can help me. I've just managed to trace my grandfather. William John Carr. He was a lighterman, apprenticed in 1891 completed in 1898. From reading the above messages, it seems that being a lighterman runs in the family. Are there any other Carr's mentioned in the apprenticeship records. He lived in Lambeth. I'm hoping to get his date of birth and parents names from the binding records too.
This is the first time I've posted anything!
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Hi vivinfrance
Here are all the Carrs.
Henry Berry bound 26/05/1699 at Foxhall (SIC) to Thomas Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Guy Carr bound 20/07/1705 at Gravesend to Thomas Muns did not finish 00/00/0000
James Carr bound 08/02/1711 at Vauxhall to Robert Berry did not finish 00/00/0000
James Carr bound 09/07/1703 at Greenwich to Mark Kempshaw did not finish 00/00/0000
Peter Carr bound 12/05/1710 at Saviours to Isaac Nicholson did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Carr bound 19/11/1704 at Lambeth to George Hughes did not finish 00/00/0000
Robert Carr bound 27/04/1716 at Rotherhith to Martha Wilton# freedom 24/05/1723
Thomas Carr bound 15/09/1710 at Westminster to Thomas Carr freedom 04/10/1717
John Jones bound 08/11/1706 at Westminster to Thomas Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
John Tear bound 24/08/1711 at Westminster to Thomas Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Carnelius Carr bound 22/02/1716 at St Olaves to Goerge Lee did not finish 00/00/0000
George Carr bound 17/12/1731 at Millford Lane to Thomas Keene did not finish 00/00/0000
John Carr bound 01/02/1722 at Alhall.Barkin to Jos. Saywell# did not finish 00/00/0000
John Carr bound 02/12/1720 at Greenwich to Edward Fincham did not finish 00/00/0000
Michael Carr bound 20/06/1729 at Wapping to Thomas Debarty# freedom 10/02/1748
Miles Carr bound 20/11/1719 at Rotherhith to Martha Wilton# freedom 24/05/1728
Robert Carr bound 14/06/1717 at Westminster to Thomas Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Robert Carr bound 24/05/1723 at Rotherhith to James Carr# freedom 12/04/1733
William Dent bound 06/10/1727 at Rotherhith to James Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Lewiller bound 17/07/1741 at Limehouse to Robert Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Robert Lomgar bound 06/02/1740 at Rotherhith to Robert Carr# freedom 18/08/1749
William Way bound 09/09/1720 at Westminster to Thomas Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
George Carr bound 05/02/1762 at Bermondsey to Samuel West# freedom 12/10/1770
John Carr bound 10/12/1773 at St Catherines to John Billingsley did not finish 00/00/0000
John Carr bound 27/05/1748 at Bermondsea to William Howard did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Carr bound 25/08/1775 at Rotherhith to John Taylor freedom 19/06/1783
Thomas Eden bound 25/10/1781 at Shadwell to George Cain/Carr freedom 21/03/1811
Thomas Gibbs bound 17/10/1746 at limehouse to Robert Carr freedom 23/11/1753
Joseph Tuckey bound 07/05/1778 at Shadwell to George Carr# freedom 02/06/1785
Thomas Mason Baker bound 11/02/1796 at Deptford to Richard Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
Benjamin Barnett bound 11/06/1812 at deptford to Richard Carr freedom 22/08/1822
George Carr bound 24/12/1789 at Shadwell to George Pinkett freedom 09/03/1797
John Carr bound 05/09/1811 at Gravesend to John Phillips did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Carr bound 21/10/1819 at Gravesend to John Savage did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Carr bound 23/07/1801 at Deptford ** to Richard Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
William Carr bound 10/08/1786 at Shadwell to George Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
William Garwood bound 16/02/1792 at Shadwell to George Carr did not finish 00/00/0000
John Goodwin bound 04/04/1799 at Shadwell to George Carr freedom 22/05/1806
Robert James Marshall bound 10/12/1801 at Shadwell ** to George Carr freedom 23/03/1809
James Carr bound 09/07/1878 at Stepney to Andrew White freedom 11/12/1883
John David Carr bound 08/05/1866 at Rotherhithe to Edwin Clare Walker freedom 09/05/1871
Thomas William Carr bound 10/12/1878 at Deptford to John George Ball freedom 08/05/1888
William Walter Carr bound 13/11/1877 at Bermondsey to Henry Thorp did not finish 00/00/0000
Alfred James Carr bound 10/12/1889 at Rotherhithe to Henry Thorpe did not finish ---- --- --
Frederick Ernest Carr bound 09/06/1885 at Rotherhithe to John David Carr did not finish ---- --- --
Henry Edward Carr bound 10/04/1888 at greenwich to John Joseph Williams did not finish ---- --- --
William John Carr bound 12/05/1891 at Peckham to Alfred Thomas Hart freedom 08/11/1898
Arthur Carr bound 12/03/1901 at Eltham to Henry Gilbert S Wells did not finiah ---- --- --
Harold Carr bound 29/01/1914 at Gillingham to Thomas Morgan did not finish ---- --- --
William Anthony Carr bound 08/10/1895 at Northfleet to James Sutton freedom 14/12/1897
Alfred Carr bound 15/09/1936-Born 07/05/1922 at Greenwich
Alfred William Carrbound 26/03/1918-Born 30/04/1903 at West Ham
Ernest Alfred Carr bound 25/09/1923-Born 29/07/1907 at Rotherhithe
Frederick Carr bound 29/06/1920-Born 19/12/1904 at South East Ham
Horace A A Carr bound 14/08/1945-Born 23/06/1931 at East Ham
Horace John Carr bound 08/06/1926-Born 28/09/1911 at West Ham
Walter Daniel Carr bound 30/06/1910-Born 26/04/1893 at St james, Bermondsey
Walter Edward Carr bound 08/09/1931-Born 16.01/1915 at West Ham
Regards Sue
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Hi vivinfrance
Could not get them on one post so here is the rest.
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Sarah Carr Admitted 1821 FEB 13 From Rotherhithe
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
George Carr bound 1762 FEB 5 Reassigned 1764 OCT 25 To John Morse
George Carr bound 1789 DEC 24 Reassigned 1794 MAR 13 To Thomas Phillips
James Carr bound 1716 APR 27 Reassigned 1719 JAN 8 To William Brown Snr.
John Carr bound 1722 FEB 1 Reassigned 1724 APR 17 To Henry Stout
Michael Carr bound 1729 JUN 20 Reassigned 1730 JUN 26 To Thomas Davison
Miles Carr bound 1719 NOV 20 Reassigned 1719 JAN 8 To William Brown Jnr.
Robert Carr bound 1723 MAY 24 Reassigned 1728 JAN 17 To Miles Carr
Philip Patrick bound 1722 NOV 30 Reassigned 1724 JUN 26 To James Carr
Regards Sue
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Hi Vixen60
Sorry I can't help you with that. The only thing is to try the National Archives at Kew.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm?source=home.
Regards Sue
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I wondered if you could do me a real favour please.
I have hit a brick wall with my dads side of the family and am trying to find information on my 3 X great grandfather William Wilkinson. When his son Richard was born 1823 in Thorne he was a ships carpenter but by the time Richard was married in 1846 in Hull he was a shipwright as was Richard.
I don't know if you have any information that might help me find a shipwright at that time but its my last hope. All I know about William is that he married someone called Sarah. I assume he was from Hull but don't really know. In the 1841 census Richard was staying with another family and there are too many Williams to guess which one could be mine, so if there is any information about shipwrights that might lead me to him, I would be so grateful.
Thank you.
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Hi Sue
Thank you for the response. One day I must get myself to Kew.
Barbara
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Hi Sue,
If you could find time to have a look for TUCKEY names in the index I would very very grateful .
Thanks
David
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Would you mind looking up a London Waterman for me. His name was James Purser and he was a waterman until his death about 1766. I think he was born about 1725. Any other Pursers would wonderful if someone has time
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Hi Otters
Sorry but I don't think I can help you with that one.
Sue
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Hi Suzy
i just got a message via Rootchats. Does that mean you couldnt find any PURSERS at all who were Thames/ London Watermen in the Apprentice Binding Books??
Thanks for trying.
Percy57
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Hi David
Here are all the Tuckey I could find.
John Christian bound 12/05/1693 at Greenwich to William Tuckey did not finish 00/00/0000
Samuel Tuckey bound 03/02/1692 at Lambeth to John Edwards did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Turrant bound 16/01/1707 at Greenwich to Rebecca Tuckey did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Tuckey bound 07/05/1778 at Shadwell to George Carr# freedom 02/06/1785
William Tuckey bound 21/09/1780 at Rotherhith to Charles Pendrell# freedom 18/03/1813
John Mason bound 26/09/1816 at Shadwell to Joseph Tuckey did not finish 00/00/0000
Wm. Barth. Thrift Smith bound 20/11/1817 at Wapping to William Tuckey did not finish 00/00/0000
Joseph Tuckey bound 22/03/1810 at Shadwell to Joseph Tuckey freedom 10/04/1817
William Tuckey bound 03/09/1812 at Shadwell to Robert James Marshall freedom 21/10/1819
William Alexander Tuckey bound 25/09/1817 at Tower to James William Kippen did not finish 00/00/0000
William James Cape bound 09/04/1840 at Ratcliff to John Tuckey did not finish 00/00/0000
John Tuckey bound 12/11/1829 at Stepnet to William Tuckey freedom 11/01/1838
William Thomas Tuckey bound 14/09/1843 at Greenwich to James Moore Snr.# DEAD
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Joseph Tuckey Admitted 1827 JAN 25 From Cole Stairs
Sarah Tuckey Admitted 1827 JAN 25 From St.George In The East
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
James Griffin bound 1796 NOV 17 Reassigned 1799 MAY 30 To Joseph Tuckey
John Hayes bound 1692 FEB 24 Reassigned 1692 FEB 24 To William Tuckey
John Hayes bound 1692 JAN 5 Reassigned 1692 JAN 5 To William Tuckey
Joseph Tuckey bound 1778 MAY 7 Reassigned 1780 JAN 20 To Joseph Swaddle
William Tuckey bound 1780 SEP 21 Reassigned 1781 MAY 24 To George Spires
William Tuckey bound 1780 SEP 21 Reassigned 1783 AUG 21 To John Stevenson
William Tuckey bound 1812 SEP 3 Reassigned 1814 SEP 29 To Joseph Tuckey
William Thomas Tuckey bound 1843 SEP 14 Reassigned 1847 NOV 11 To William Thomas Hyland
Regards Sue
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Hi Percy57
Here are all the Pursers I could find.
Denny Fleetewood bound 28/06/1695 at Putney to John Purser# did not finish 00/00/0000
Phillip Purser bound 29/10/1704 at Tower Liberty to William Waller FREE
James Purser bound 05/10/1738 at Alhall. Barkin to Major Kirkham freedom 28/04/1746
Richard Purser bound 04/03/1719 at Wapping to Thomas Freeman freedom 22/09/1727
Charles Gay bound 20/04/1780 at Wapping to Major Purser# freedom 24/01/1788
Josa. Lucas bound 01/09/1749 at Alhall.Barkin to James Purser freedom 03/12/1756
Mathias Lucas bound 08/12/1775 at Wapping to Major Purser freedom 17/04/1783
Major Purser bound 05/02/1767 at St.Dunstans-East to Josiah Lucas freedom 08/12/1775
William Clark Shafton bound 18/03/1784 at Allhallows/Barken to Major Purser freedom 06/12/1804
Alfred James Purser bound 1899 JUN 13 at Grays to Leonard Henry Dines freedom 1905 FEB 14
Walter Purser bound 1902 JUN 10 at Gravesend to Charles Lazell did not finish ---- --- --
Alfred James Purser bound 1899 JUN 13-Born 1880 NOV 1 at Hornchurch
George Alfred James Purser bound 1929 OCT 8-Born 1913 JUN 16 at Rainham, Essex
Walter Purser bound 1902 JUN 10-Born 1885 JUN 22 at Grays
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Henry Fleetwood bound 1695 APR 1 Reassigned 1699 OCT 6 To John Purser
Regards Sue
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Hi Suzy
Thank you so very much. Your help has been immensely useful and has given me just the break I needed. Its made my day ;D
Percy57
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for the TUCKEY index entries .
It has given me plenty to work on .
David
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Hi Sue, is it possible that you may be able to do a CD lookup for Watermen (two) with the same name - Thomas Hoare or Hoar. I do not think either had/used a middle initial in their names although I think that one may have been Thomas C Hoare. I know that both were listed as Watermen in the 1861 census and I believe that the younger (born about 1843) was the youngest ever Thames National Coat and Badge winner in 1861 (Although I have seen a listing of the winners of the Doggetts C & B and Hoare does not appear). The elder (the father) was born about 1822.
I would be grateful for any help.
Freya
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Hi
Does anyone know why some apprenticed to the Company of Lightermen and Watermen would also be in the Apprenticeship Listings for the Company of Vintners? I am descended from two families of Clerks and eventually Masters of both Companys and they appear to have flitted Apprenticeship between the both. Which I find really odd..aside from the theory of nepotism of course!
Hope someone can clear this up for me
Thank you
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Hi
I've just found this thread - well, I only started looking for it after find a Waterman in the family!
Suzey68 - you seem to be an angel doing all those look-ups! Any chance of look-up for me, please?
Job Jones born about 1771 died 1850, lived (in 1841) in White Hart Yard, St Martin in the Fields
Many thanks
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Hello Suzey.
Is it possible that you would do a look up in the Watermen and Lighter-men apprentices for the surname of Phillips.
Mary-B
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Hi Freya
Here are all Thomas Hoar/es which could be yours.
Thomas Hoare bound 10/09/1857 at St.Martins F'ld to Richard Piner freedom 13/09/1864
Thomas Tranter Hoare bound 10/04/1845 at Greenwich to George Henry Smith freedom 22/12/1859
William Hill Hoare bound 14/02/1865 at Hammersmith to Thomas Hoare did not finish 00/00/0000
There are alot more Hoar/e so if you need them I will try and get them done before Christmas.
Regards Sue
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Hi siegebatteries
There are alot of Jones so I have only done the Job Jones'.
Job Jones bound 17/04/1783 at St.Saviours to John Moring freedom 14/04/1791
Thomas Edward Jones bound 19/09/1822 at St.Martins F'ld to Job Jones freedom 12/11/1829
Charles Jones bound 09/03/1843 at St.Martins F'ld to Job Jones Jnr.# did not finish 00/00/0000
Frederick William Jones bound 12/01/1837 at St.Clement Danes to Job Jones Jnr. freedom 11/07/1844
Job Jones bound 18/08/1825 at Lambeth to William Dent Snr freedom 11/07/1833
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Job Jones Admitted 1832 OCT 2 From Hungerford
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
James Salisbury James bound 1803 OCT 13 Reassigned 1805 JUL 18 To Job Jones
Job Jones bound 1825 AUG 18 Reassigned 1828 AUG 10 To Job Jones Snr.
If you need any other Jones let me know (name, place and year).
Regards Sue
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Many many thanks for this, Sue
I might need more, but there seems so much in what you have given me it will take a little while to join all the dots.
Thanks again
Peter
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Hi Mary
There are alot of Phillips listed could you narrow it down for me please (name, year and place).
Regards Sue
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Dear all
If anybody needs Watermen and Lightermen binding research please ask but what with Christmas and New Year coming up I may not reply straight away.
So sorry for any delay.
Regards Sue
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Sue, I have been scrolling through the masses of help that you have been giving everyone and since I am new to this kind of research, wonder if you could help me? I am trying to trace a lighterman - surname Goss - whom I believe worked on the Thames in the 1930's. He may have had his own business. A relative certainly remembers watching the boat race from the craft at that time. It is possible that the there were family river connections before this but I am making a start. I know that this is an inconvenient time to ask for help. You must be very busy. Love B.
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Hi there,
I wonder if you could help me please?
I have a William Thomas Thompson 1851 Bermondsey (born about 1817) and his son Christopher Thompson 1861 Whitechapel (born about 1839) who are both lightermen. The father says he is a lighterman master in 1861 (Whitechapel). Could you see if you could find them for me please?
Does the lighterman 'master' bit have any significance? I think the census says he employs 2 men.
Many thanks
Ella-Louise
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ella-louise, I am not the right person to help. If you scroll through the whole lighterman site, you will find people who have the records at their finger tips. Good luck. B.
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Dear Sue,
I wonder if you could help me please?
I have a William Thomas Thompson 1851 Bermondsey (born about 1817) and his son Christopher Thompson 1861 Whitechapel (born about 1839) who are both lightermen. The father says he is a lighterman master in 1861 (Whitechapel). Could you see if you could find them for me please?
Does the lighterman 'master' bit have any significance? I think the census says he employs 2 men.
Many thanks and Merry Christmas,
Ella-Louise
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Dear B,
Apologies, you can tell I'm new at this. I've tried again, and hopefully I've done it correctly this time.
Thank you, and Merry Christmas,
Ella-Louise
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Hi B
Here are all the Goss I could find.
William Heather bound 24/09/1697 at Tower to Elizabeth Goss# CROSSED OUT
William Standley bound 21/07/1693 at St Olives to Francis Goff/Goss# did not finish 00/00/0000
Francis Goss bound 11/02/1796 at Limehouse to William Betsworth Young freedom 28/04/1803
Jno. William Goss bound 03/09/1812 at Garlick Hill to James Kelly freedom 23/09/1819
William Goss bound 09/07/1812 at Limehouse to Abraham Pickering did not finish 00/00/0000
Robert Proctor Brooman bound 13/12/1832 at Queenhithe to John William Goss did not finish 00/00/0000
Edmund Phillips bound 13/03/1828 at Queenhithe to Jno. William Goss freedom 09/04/1835
Frederick Charles Goss bound 1904 OCT 11 at Northfleet to Alfred Charles Perry did not finish ---- --- --
Frederick Charles Goss bound 1904 OCT 10-Born 1887 APR 4 at Northfleet
Hope this helps
Regards Sue
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Hi Ella-Louise
There are a lot of Thompson in the data base so I have only found the ones you ask for which could be yours.
William Thompson bound 14/08/1834 at St Olaves to Jeffery Smith freedom 09/09/1841
Christopher Thompson bound 14/07/1853 at Southwark to William Thomas Thompson freedom 11/09/1860
If you need any more names let me know.
Regards Sue
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Dear Sue,
Thanks so much for taking the time to look that up for me, especially over the holiday period. These look very much like my two Thompsons.
I would appreciate any earlier Thompson's too please, as it might help me to get a few more generations back.
Best wishes
Ella-Louise
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Hi! I am looking for any references/instances of THURBIN and variants who might have been Watermen and Lightermen please. I am told that the family had strong connections to the Thames and wondered if any of them had this trade. Many thanks for your help :)
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suzey68 Many thanks for your help. The last Goss is definitely part of the family but I notice a Pickering in there and that is a 1900 connection . It might just be a common Thames-side name. This one was Lillian and she married Fred's brother Francis. There is possibly a Pickering-Yorkshire connection. Have a very happy new year! Love B.
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Dear Sue
I hope you don't mind me asking, but could you have a look and see if you can find my gr.grandfather please.
The only info. I have is from my grandfather's marriage cert. where he states his father as William Welch, Lighterman. Relatives seem to think the family are from the Camberwell/Bermondsey areas. A long shot I know, but any help would greatly appreciated.
Regards
Sandie
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Hi Sue,I have a whole family of Lightermen to beg you to look up for me if you feel so inclined.They are all "Briant"surnames and all born lived and worked out of Wapping, starting with Isaac b.c1775,his 2 sons George Back b.1798,and Frederick b.1801,
Fredericks 2 sons Edward Sancho b.1832 & Frederick Thomas b.1826,and Edward Sancho´s 6 sons, George Edward b.1860,Edward James b.1864,Frederick b.1865,Charles b.´68, Henry b.´74 and William b.´77.
Huge thanks in advance if you have the time.
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Hi Ella-Louise
Sorry for delay but still working on your Thompson family.
Hopefully get them done this weekend.
Regards Sue
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Hi Funky Phantom
Sorry no Thurbin in my data base.
Regards Sue
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Hi Sandie
Could you please tell me when your gr grandfather (William Welch) was born or the marriage year of your grandfather so it will give me a starting point.
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue
Sorry, I didn't think!
I'm afraid info. about my 'Welch' family is very sparse. The only thing I know for sure is that my grandfather married in Dec. 1907. I can't even confirm birth year, but he gives his age as 25 on the marriage cert.
Regards
Sandie
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Hi Sue,I posted this before in the wrong place,so here it is again,
I have a whole family of Lightermen to beg you to look up for me if you can.They are all "Briant"surnames and all born lived and worked out of Wapping, starting with Isaac b.c1770,his 2 sons George Back Briant b.1798,and Frederick b.1801,
Fredericks 2 sons Edward Sancho Briant b.1832 & Frederick Thomas b.1826,and Edward Sancho´s 6 sons, George Edward b.1860,Edward James b.1864,Frederick b.1865,Charles b.´68, Henry b.´74 and William b.´77.
Huge thanks in advance if you have the time.
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Hi Sandie19
Here are all the Briant I could find.
Charles Briant bound 08/08/1712 at Lambeth to Gillbert Jones freedom 25/09/1719
William Briant bound 04/04/1712 at Greenwich to Jno Harris did not finiah 00/00/0000
Charles Purchas (SIC) bound 06/01/1720 at Christ Church to Richard Briant# did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Briant bound 23/08/1764 at St Saviours to Edward Taffts did not finish 00/00/0000
William Briant bound 31/10/1760 at Bermondsey to John Sigsworth freedom 08/09/1769
Frederick Briant bound 20/11/1817 at Hermitage to John Watts freedom 31/03/1825
George Back Briant bound 23/01/1812 at Hermitage to Isaac Briant freedom 08/01/1824
Jno William Briant bound 25/06/1801 at Smithfield ** to Isaac Briant freedom 08/06/1815
Michael Pass bound 05/10/1809 343 at Wapping St to Isaac Briant freedom 13/03/1817
Edward Sancho Briant bound 12/10/1848 at Wapping to William George Newman freedom 13/12/1855
Frederick Thomas Briant bound 11/08/1842 at St George-East to Frederick Briant# freedom 10/04/1851
Isaac Briant bound 10/01/1856 at Wapping to Edward Sancho Briant freedom 14/07/1863
William george Newman bound 14/04/1836 at Wapping to George Back Briant freedom 13/08/1846
John William Peterson bound 15/09/1825 at St Katherines to Frederick Briant did not finish 00/00/0000
Thomas Frederick Smale bound 13/05/1847 at Wapping to George Back Briant freedom 14/12/1854
Edward James Briant bound 13/03/1877 at Shadwell to Edward Sancho Briant freedom 13/03/1883
Frederick Briant bound 13/03/1883 at Shadwell to Edward Sancho Briant freedom 10/04/1888
Frederick William Briant bound 09/02/1875 at Poplar to Fred'k Thomas Briant freedom 08/04/1884
George Edward Briant bound 13/07/1875 at Shadwell to Edward Sancho Briant freedom 14/12/1880
William Connor bound 14/11/1871 at Wapping to Isaac Briant freedom 09/01/1877
Alexander John Henderson bound 10/08/1869 at Wapping to Edward Sancho Briant did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Briant bound 1885 NOV 10 at Shadwell to Edward Sancho Briant freedom 1890 DEC 9
Frederick William Briant bound 1906 DEC 11 at Shadwell to Frederick Briant freedom 1914 MAR 12
George Edward S Briant bound 1904 APR 12 at Limehouse to George Edward Briant freedom 1911 APR 27
Henry Briant bound 1889 APR 9 at Shadwell to George Edward Briant freedom 1894 MAY 8
William Briant bound 1891 JUN 9 at Poplar to Fred'k William Briant did not finish ---- --- --
Arthur Victor Briant bound 1917 OCT 11-Born 1900 APR 15 at Limehouse
Frederick John Briant bound 1937 MAR 16-Born 1921 FEB 16 at West Ham
Frederick William Briant bound 1906 DEC 11-Born 1888 JUL 30 at Shadwell
George Edward Sancho Briant bound 1904 APR 12-Born 1889 JAN 8 at Shadwell, Wapping
George Edward Sancho Briant bound 1915 APR 15-Born 1897 DEC 24 at Ratcliff
George Edward Sancho Briant bound 1918 MAY 14-Born 1903 JUN 17 at Mile End Old Town
Henry Horace Briant bound 1933 MAY 16-Born 1917 AUG 2 at Mile End Old Town
Henry William Briant bound 1926 MAY 11-Born 1909 MAR 22 at West Ham
Melbourne Briant bound 1931 FEB 10-Born 1912 APR 20 at Mile End Old Town
Walter Leonard Briant bound 1936 JUL 14-Born 1920 JAN 30 at Mile End
William Henry Robert Briant bound 1948 MAR 9-Born 1929 FEB 12 at Dagenham
William Henry Roberts Briant bound 1915 SEP 9-Born 1900 FEB 10 at Bromley
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Isaac Briant Admitted 1833 FEB 19 From Hermitage
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Frederick Thomas Briant bound 1842 AUG 11 Reassigned 1843 JUL 13 to George Back Briant
William Luke Bryant bound 1853 JUN 9 Reassigned 1858 AUG 12 to George Back Briant
Benjamin Craft bound 1719 SEP 11 Reassigned 1720 SEP 23 to Anthony Briant
Thomas Kirk bound 1796 OCT 20 Reassigned 1802 APR 1 to William Briant
Benjamin Lawson bound 1820 JUN 1 Reassigned 1824 JAN 8 to Isaac Briant
Henry John Wells bound 1850 NOV 14 Reassigned 1855 APR 12 to Fred'k Thomas Briant
Regards Sue
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Hi Sandie
I can not find any William Welch around the dates where I think he would have been. The only thing did he go under a different name. Have you tried looking on the census for your grandfather and gt grandfather which might give us a few more clues.
Regards Sue
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Sue,I am indebted to you.Thank you so much for all this info re:my Briant family.It seems the Briants were lightermen for the better part of 200 years.Great work.You´ve made my day
Sandie19 :)
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Hello Sue
In July last year you very kindly looked for Charles Oxford for me. I wonder if you could please repeat the look up for Charles AXFORD. I think he was born about 1783 possibly Ludgate.
Di
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Hi Sue
Thank you very much for looking, I must admit I wasn't holding my breath!
I have tried the censuses, even the 1911, but nothing.
Thanks again for trying.
Regards
Sandie
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hi Sue
i have only just found this thread and am not sure if you can help.
my gt gt grandfather is listed in the 1851 Census as being a waterman but i have no idea what that means. His name was listed in the census as Williams Vincent born approx 1805 on Isle of Wight. he had children born in Hythe Kent, Youghall Ireland and Rye Sussex but as i am in Australia i have no idea what these areas have in common except that they are near water.
i cannot find any other record of him.
Would you be able to help me at all with such basic information?
Kind regards
Maz
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Suzi
I would appreciate a further look up of the Watermen & Lightermen's indexes... the MAN/N results proved a wonderful shortcut to the records on a brief UK trip in Nov 08... now I find I have more to pursue ... GLEDHILL, [William Limbery c. 1800
St George in the East]. [Anthony/ey family also connected - have these from another persons enquiry.]
Susie
(downunder)
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Sparrow, I seem to have received your message but I am a novice at all this. You will probably have reached Suzi too and she will have all the answers. Good luck with your search. My surnames are Goss and Pickering, if you should stumble on any threads let me know. B.
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Sparrow, I have received your message and I hope that Suzi has too. She is the authority. Good luck B.
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Hello Sue ....
I wonder if you would be able to look at a name for me please.
In 1881 I have William Liscoe as a Lighterman- keeper b Horsleydown @1854.
Back in the 1700's Liscoe's appear as wharfingers around the Bemondsey /Southwark areas...... mostly Hay Wharf.
Are there any LISCOE names mentioned please.
Many Thanks
Tazzie
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Tazi, I received your message today. I hope that Sue can help. I am a novice at all this. Good luck B.
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Hi, I hope you don't mind....Could you look for a friends grandfather please? His name was John Humphrey born Amberley,1862-1946. On the 1901 census he was living in Camberwell. It said that his occupation was Waterman/lighterman. underneath in smaller writing it says sm [or sw] gas co. he was also thought to be a sailor,
many thanks. M
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Dear Sue
I wonder if you could look up a GEFAELL around 1940s for me, please.
Regards
Suzi.
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Hi Suzey,
If you have the time, I'd appreciate a look-up for John Healey b. 1852 in Bermondsey who is listed as a lighterman on his daughter's marriage certificate. Unfortunately, I have no more information than that.
Thanks.
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Hi Suzey,
A possible candidate for my gt grandfather Cornelius Harrington claims to be a lighterman living in Ratcliffe, London on the 1881 census. This seems unlikely since he was a labourer on all the other census' I presume he would need to have served an apprentiship.
Would you mind looking? If he's the correct Cornelius he should be born around 1855 in Westminster
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Hello. I'm new to this site and would be grateful on any information that can be found on my Tadhunter family of whom quite a few have been listed as watermen on the Thames.
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Hi Sue,
Like others I have just stumbled across your excellent work on here and am hoping you may be able to help me please.
I am looking for any information at all on the Brucas family who were watermen / Lightermen but seemed to have a distinct aversion to anything to do with census etc!
Immediate point of contact is Elias Brucas born c1780 and his son James Brucas c 1808.
As usual spellings are variously Brucas, Brucass, Brocas etc. etc I'm afraid.
The family seems to have been based mainly in the West of London, Brentford, Putney etc. but also in the Westminster area and seem to have married Kentish girls at least twice.
Any information very gratefully received!
Many thanks for your help.
best Regards
Mike
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Hi All
Sorry for not answering sooner but I have been very busy over the last three months.
I will try and get your lookups done as soon as possible.
Sorry again for the delay.
Sue
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Dear Sue
I wonder if you could look for any reference to any BIDDLEs (also seen with various phonetic spellings as BIDDEL, BEDALL etc).
My Gtx3 Grandmother (Dinah Biddle)'s marriage certificate in 1850 (residence address given as Putney for bride & groom) records her father as William Biddle Fisherman. Dinah gives her place of birth (c1829) as Greenwich, Kent.
A William Biddle signed as witness so I'm assuming (if that was her father) he was still alive in 1850.
She married a Joseph DEARMAN (b Wandsworth c1818), a Coal Porter who was son of Joseph Dearman - also a Fisherman.
Any refs to these names would be much appreciated
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Hi,
Looking for a wtaerman called John Prophet , his son John was born in Winsford in 1851 , any body able to look this up?
Dawn
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Hello. Very new here. My GG-Grandfather ( Hiram Walter Laming b. 1828 Crayford, Kent.) was a lighterman, as was his father Richard Lamming (b. about 1798 Erith, Kent.) Can someone see if they can trace either of them ( or any other Lamings, Lammings ) on the Lighterman records for me? Don't know if I'm doing this (my first ever posting) correctly, but here is hoping it gets on to this board. Thanks - G-bird.
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Hello Sue! I wonder if you could possibly look up the surname Fishlock for me. I believe there are quite a few so I'm hoping it will not be too big job. Thanks for any help you can give,
Theresa
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Hi All
Sorry for any delay, have been very busy working which has taken up alot of my time but I will try and get my head down and do your lookups.
Just to remind everyone I only lookup the river Thames Watermen and Lightermen.
Sorry again.
Regards Sue
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Hi Tazzie
Only one is listed in the index.
William Samuel Liscoe bound 14/09/1869 at Bermondsey to John Bayly freedom 08/06/1875
Regards Sue
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Hi Muttly
This is the only John Humphrey I could find but spelt differently (er not re)
John Humphery bound 1887 JAN 11 at Mark Lane to Edmund Hughes freedom 1896 NOV 10
Regards Sue
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Hi Suzi
The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Binding dates and affidavit birth proofs 1898-1949
William Arthur Henry Gefaell Bound 1937 SEP 14-Born 1921 FEB 22 at West Ham
Regards Sue
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Hi Chantilly
I can only find this one which as you can see is missing an e.
John Healy bound 09/06/1868 at Whitechapel to Thomas Powell did not finish 00/00/0000
Regards Sue
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Hi Jillie42
You are in luck there is a Cornelius Harrington hope this helps.
Cornelius Harrington bound 14/12/1875 at Bromley to John David Giles did not finish 00/00/0000
Regards Sue
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Hi Sue.....
Thank you so much for that.
Yes he is the one I was interested in, great to have the names and dates.
Hope you haven't been working too hard :).
Best wishes
Tazzie
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Hi Scatty52
John James Axdell bound 15/11/1821 at Greenwich to John Tadhunter did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno. Tadhunter bound 16/05/1811 at Greenwich to William Spicer freedom 04/06/1818
Samuel Anger Burgess bound 11/09/1851 at Greenwich to Joseph Tadhunter freedom 11/11/1858
William Farmer Humphreys bound 14/04/1859 at Greenwich to Joseph Tadhunter freedom 10/07/1866
Morris Roach bound 11/06/1861 at Greenwich to Edward Richard Tadhunter freedom 14/05/1867
Michael Scally bound 12/03/1861 at Limehouse to George Walter Tadhunter# freedom 08/09/1868
Edward Richard Tadhunter bound 12/09/1850 at Greenwich to John Tadhunter freedom 10/12/1857
George Walter Tadhunter bound 10/11/1842 at Greenwich to John tadhunter freedom 11/08/1853
James John Tadhunter bound 10/03/1859 at Greenwich to John James Tadhunter freedom 09/10/1866
James Thomas Tadhunter bound 08/08/1844 at Greenwich to Joseph Tadhunter freedom 08/01/1852
James Walter Tadhunter bound 11/09/1851 at Greenwich to George Walter Tadhunter did not finish 00/00/0000
John James Tadhunter bound 10/03/1831 at Greenwich to John tadhunter freedom 14/06/1838
Joseph Tadhunter bound 13/04/1837 at Greenwich to John Tadhunter freedom 13/06/1844
William henry Tadhunter bound 13/08/1846 at Greenwich to George Price# freedom 10/11/1853
Frederick Campling bound 14/11/1865 at limehouse to George W Tadhunter 2nd freedom 12/12/1876
William Denton bound 10/12/1867 at Gravesend to James Thomas Tadhunter freedom 12/03/1889
John Robert Fenn bound 10/12/1867 at Gravesend to James Thomas Tadhunter did not finish 00/00/0000
Cowart Henderson bound 10/10/1865 at Gravesend to James Thos. Tadhunter freedom 13/12/1870
James Humphreys bound 10/08/1880 at Rotherhithe to Edward R'd Tadhunter did not finish 00/00/0000
Henry James Ives bound 09/06/1863 at Gravesend to James Thos. Tadhunter freedom 14/07/1868
harry Golding Overton bound 13/08/1872 at Gravesend to James Thos. Tadhunter# MASTER DEAD
George henry Smith bound 13/05/1873 at gravesend to James Thos. Tadhunter# MASTER DEAD
Alfred Spancer bound 12/06/1877 at Gravesend to Richard Joseph Tadhunter freedom 10/05/1887
Henry James Tadhunter bound 09/07/1867 at Gravesend to Joseph Tadhunter freedom 13/10/1874
Richard Joseph Tadhunter bound 09/09/1862 at Greenwich to Joseph Tadhunter freedom 12/07/1870
Albert Arthur Tadhunter bound 14/03/1893 at Gravesend to Richard J Tadhunter# freedom 10/04/1900
Charles Tadhunter bound 08/10/1907 at Gravesend to Horace Fred'k Jury did not finish 00/00/0000
Henry joseph Tadhunter bound 08/10/1895 at Gravesend to William Bishop freedom 10/02/1903
James Tadhunter bound 12/02/1907 at Gravesend to Albert A Tadhunter freedom 29/02/1912
Joseph Walter Tadhunter bound 12/01/1886 at Limehouse to George Walter Tadhunter freedom 14/04/1891
Richard Wells Tadhunter bound 14/06/1898 at Gravesend to Henry J Tadhunter did not finish 00/00/0000
The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Binding dates and affidavit birth proofs 1898-1949
Charles Tadhunter bound 08/10/1907- Born 22/03/1891 at Gravesend
James Tadhunter bound 12/02/1907- Born 02/12/1889 at Gravesend
Richard Joseph Tadhunter bound 08/01/1929 - Born 30/08/1914 at Gravesend
Richard Wells Tadhunter bound 14/06/1898 - Born 22/07/1881 at Gravesend
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
William george Ives bound 13/08/1861 Reassigned 12/12/1865 To James Thos.Tadhunter
John McDull bound 14/10/1858 Reassigned 14/07/1863 To George W Tadhunter
Albert Arthur Tadhunter bound 12/03/1893 Reassigned 09/10/1894 To Elizabeth Tadhunter
William Henry Tadhunter bound 13/08/1846 Reassigned 13/04/1848 To John Tadhunter
George Walter Todhunter bound 24/06/1824 Reassigned 13/12/1827 To John Tadhunter (SIC)
Regards Sue
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Hi Mike
Thomas Brucass bound 12/07/1764 at Twickenham to Samuel Harris freedom 01/07/1784
Thomas Brocas bound 02/09/1743 at Bermondsea to Henry Bradshaw did not finish 00/00/0000
Elias Brucas bound 06/04/1797 at Putney to Alexander White Jnr. freedom 19/07/1804
Thomas Brucas bound 30/06/1785 at Brentford to Thomas Brucas freedom 11/11/1802
James Brucass bound 22/08/1822 at Brentford to Elias Brucass freedom 11/06/1857
Jno. Fisher bound 12/02/1795 at Brentford to Thomas Brucass freedom 27/05/1802
Amos Grove bound 13/08/1807 at Old Brenyford to Thomas Brucas did not finish 00/00/0000
John Hawkes bound 20/01/1791 at Brentford to Thomas Brucas did not finish 00/00/0000
George Hubbard bound 11/06/1819 at Brentford to Elias Brucas did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno. Marriner bound 31/01/1805 at Old Brentford to Elias Brucas 11/06/1812
David Myles bound 06/08/1812 at Brentford to Thomas Brucas did not finish 00/00/0000
Richard Pearce bound 23/02/1809 at Old Brentford to Thomas Brucas freedom 05/06/1817
John Sawney bound 13/06/1811 at Brentford to Thomas Brucas did not finish 00/00/0000
John Snelling bound 19/07/1804 at Old Brentford to Thomas Brucas Snr. freedom 16/04/1812
Joseph Stuckey bound 02/05/1799at Brentford to Thomas Brucass freedom 17/07/1806
John Brucas bound 24/05/1827 at Lambeth to Thomas Brucas freedom 12/06/1834
John Joseph Brucass bound 12/08/1858 at Westminster to James Brucass freedom 10/09/1867
Henry Day bound 10/05/1838 at Christchurch S'y to John Brucas freedom 08/07/1852
Robert Lewis bound 14/06/1855 at Westminster to John Brucas# freedom 13/10/1863
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
George Brocus Bound 10/07/1828 Reassigned 14/07/1836 To John Brucas (SIC)
Regards Sue
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Hello Suzey,
Any chance you could look up Frank Francis Swift Kirby please who was termed a Waterman on the Thames at Maidenhead, Berkshire around the late 1880's?
I am not sure about this as I think you are only dealing with London Watermen?
Hopefully,
Abiam
Ps. There is another one Thomas Humphreys Born 1791 in Aldgate Middlesex Waterman/Lighterman. Many thanks,
Abiam
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Dear Suzey
Is there any chance of you doing a lookup for me, please?
My ancestor was George Hastings, described as a mariner but he lived in Shadwell. To give you a timescale; he had a child born in 1773, his first wife died in 1788, he remarried and had a son in 1797 ~ so George may have been born in 1750-ish.
Thank you in advance
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Hi, Sue, Thank you for looking up John Humphrey. I will pass on the information you found.
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Hi Sue,
I hope I'm not being too cheeky but I have only just found the Jameson side of my family were lightermen living in Bermondsey for generations. Now I know exactly what they did ;D
Could you please have a look for Thomas A Jameson 1824, Samuel W Jameson 1854, Alfred Jameson 1856, James Jameson 1858, & the 1891 census shows Thomas Jameson 1862, as a waterman & lighterman!
Regards
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O M Goodness. :) I have just found this thread and so registered to post here.
After several years of stop /starting my family tree I have just got back into it again. Back then I was in the UK. These past 5 years though, I have been living in New Zealand so can't get to any hard copy records which is a huge shame .
I've just found out from the 1841 census , that my grt , grt, grt grandad, John Blackmore, was apparently a Waterman and Lighterman in London. Wandsworth actually and seemed to live somewhere called 'Thames Bank' with his wife Maria and several children.
His date of birth approx 1791 from the census.
The 1951 census shows that he was still a Waterman and Lighterman living at 'Waterside ' still in Wandsworth.
Having looked up what the occupation was, I became quite excited to know that this was an actual licensed trade but a bit disappointed that there were no individual on-line records
I read from the thread that you, Suzey68 sometimes will look up the Waterman and Lightermen records for people.
If it's OK I was wondering if you could see if there is anything at all about these Blackmore folk and John Blackmore at this trade. I have read this can run in families.
I'll understand if you are inundated or simply too busy .
Can't offer anything in return unless you need something looked at here in Nelson, New Zealand but I would so appreciate anything you can help me with. :-*
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Hello Suzey,
Any chance you could look up Frank Francis Swift Kirby please who was termed a Waterman on the Thames at Maidenhead, Berkshire around the late 1880's?
I am not sure about this as I think you are only dealing with London Watermen?
Hopefully,
Abiam
Ps. There is another one Thomas Humphreys Born 1791 in Aldgate Middlesex Waterman/Lighterman. Many thanks,
Abiam
If you have Swift Kirby in your line then we must be related as I come from 300 years of them. Wendy
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Hello
If you have Swift Kirby in your line then we must be related as I come from 300 years of them. Wendy
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Hi,
Welcome to RC.
I have sent you a reply to your PM. I will also post a message on the Middlesex board with my information. This means others can see it and may be able to help,
Abiam
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Looking at the 1841 census, 4 month old Frank was living with his parents 25year old George, a tailor and his his wife Elizabeth. This doesn't ring any bells with me. George isn't a family name of my Kirbys, but not that that means anything.
My Swift Kirbys were also lightermen at Twickenham, which is where the family came from. There must be a connection, so I will do some investigating. It might be easier to contact me directly on aol with my user name. Am I allowed to do that? If I can contact you directly then I can send copies of the census records.
Wendy
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Will send my email by PM
would love to find out more,
Abiam
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Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I'm trying to find out info on my mother in law's real father. All she know is his name was John Batty and he was an apprentice to his father as a waterman on the London docks. He was born in 1912, so therefore as they were not allowed to do this until they were 14 it would have been some time after 1921. She thinks he was from Yorkshire and lived in Twickenham. I've been trying to find out for her but just not having any luck. Thank you
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There is a john william battie born 07/01/1912, apprenticed 1926 in brentford. does'nt say who he is apprenticed to.
however there is a james robert batty apprenticed 1907.[might be the dad although spelling of surname is different.
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thank you for your help over looking for john batty/battie, i have since found out he was the youngest captain on a tugboat from 1926, so any more help would be appreciated as i have had 2 replies with the same info, thank you once again
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Hello, Suzey,
If you are still offering to do look-ups, may I please add my fellow?
Abraham Read Wallace b. 1835. His Binding was in 1850 - any other information on him or for his father John Wallace?
Thanks for your kindness.
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Is Suzy still doing look-ups for Watermen/Lightermen. Just found this post, quite a new member & still discovering interesting stuff on this site.
If so my man was: George Fowler 1857 - 1939 (Living in Battersea, 9 Elms c.1857 - 1911) seerved on boats named THe Winifred, Mabel & Edith - which he lovingly named my grandmother.
If records of other Fowlers in same area & dates would love to know about them.
:)
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Hi can anyone do me a look up on apprenticeship for lightermen in richmond surrey - name of George davey ? Afraid i am new to this and not sure how this works
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hi sue keep seeing your name mentioned on this board and wondered if you could possibly do me a lookup- as im not a regular user of this and still not sure how to use it could you e mail answer to
please. I am looking for davey (george) and albert both watermen/lightermen in themes lived in richmond one(George) was between 1861-1888 and the other 1900-1910 - albert died on the thames. in 1910. I would apprechiate any help here many thanks anita
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Hi Sue
Is there any chance you could do a look up on the name Parker for me?
The name i'm interested is William Henry or Henry William Parker born c1854. He lived in London, but not sure where.. possibly Fulham/Chiswick..
He is listed on my ggrandmothers wedding cert as being a lighterman and I'm not sure where to go from here??
Thanks v. much.
Claire
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Hi there is a bloke who has all the watermen and lightermen apprentiships on cds the address is
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- if you contact him he will tell you which one you want- tell him where and when and he will tell you the cd number- or you can look online yourself at trueflare ltd anita
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Thanks Anita :)
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I need a look-up for a John Clarkson, a lighterman in London. He would have been apprenticed in the 1750's.
If his apprenticeship is found, do you know where I might look for further informtion?
Thanks so much!
Peter Ray
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HI yes look in the La and they have all the info you need including the baptism date and date appreticed Anita
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Thanks for the reply, but what is the la? Is it the LMA? And if so, where do I look on their site? I can't find anything relevant to watermen/lightermen there.
Thanks.
Peter Ray
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hi sorry wrote this at work and was in a hurry yes its the lomdon metrpoitan archives and you will have to go to the actual place to get the info there is a fellow who does look ups as i have mentioned before on this topic. Anita
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Hi Anita,
Thanks again for your reply. I can't go to the LMA at the moment because I am in Pennsylvania!
Peter
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Hi sorry didnt know where you are let me have a few more details and i will see what i can do from here- cant promise anything Anita
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Hi Suzey,
the lookups that you have been doing are amazing and I'm hoping that I can add my family to your list. They have many generations of watermen/lightermen on the Thames and living in Australia I am limited to the information that I can access. I was able to check the Apprentice Bindings from 1798 onwards but would love to know of family watermen earlier than that date. I would also love if you could check the The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Admissions List for Pensioners 1794-1837 and The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames Reassingments 1688-1908 for me. The surname is Puplett (Paplett/Poplett) and they were all mainly living in Woolwich/Bermondsey/Mile End. I greatly appreciate the time and effort that you have shown on everyone's behalf and hope that you will be able to help. I look forward to hearing from you and wish you a very Merry Christmas,
Regards, Jo :)
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Hi Suzey
I'm so thrilled to find you. I have been trawling the internet looking for watermen on the Thames.... are you able to help another soul.
My ancestors (MARSHALL) were a long line of watermen on the Thames. Are you able to help? My Ancestor, WILLIAM ROBERT MAGNESS MARSHALL , was bound to his father, Jonathan on 14.9.1843
Also a brother JONATHAN MAGNESS MARSHALL bound to his father Jonathan on 8.11.1838
I believe he was born c 1815. Married in 1848.
Their father was JONATHAN MARSHALL .
Also, FREDERICK WILLIAM MARSHALL, son of William Robert Magness , bound on 10.4.1866
All listed as watermen.
I would like to go further back, if you can help.
Are you able to help. My mother tells me we are from a long line of watermen.
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I am tracing th Deal Family of Bermbondsey. They were all Lightermen/Watermen. I believe Thomas Deal may have died by drowniong but cannot find any details of this. Any help would be much appreciayted. JANCHAP.
Hi Denise
Here are all the Deal I can find.
William Deal bound 07/11/1718 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Daniel Sutton bound 26/08/1720 at Bermondsea to Thomas Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Francis Bowne bound 04/11/1757 at St.Olaves to John Dealdid not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 11/09/1766 at St.Catherines to Charles Rickasie did not finish 00/00/0000
Jno. Deal bound 05/01/1804 at Bermondsey ** to William Randall Deal freedom 16/05/1811
Matthew Deal bound 23/04/1807 at Bermondsey ** to Thomas Deal Snr freedom 09/06/1814
Randall Deal bound 30/05/1822 at Bermondsey to John Messenger freedom 09/07/1829
Randall William Deal bound 21/08/1800 at Bermondsey to Thomas Deal freedom 31/12/1807
Thomas Deal bound 16/04/1789 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Morris freedom 05/05/1796
Thomas Deal Jnr bound 21/12/1815 at Cherry Garden to Thomas Deal Snr did not finish 00/00/0000
William Deal bound 27/07/1820 at Bermondsey to William Randall freedom 09/08/1827
Charles Quere Harston bound 01/09/1814 at Cherry Garden to Wm.Randall Deal freedom 12/12/1822
James Saunders bound 23/07/1801 at Rotherhithe ** to Thomas Deal Jnr freedom 29/12/1808
Edward Stannard bound 18/05/1786 at Bermondsey to John Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
William Jenkins Thompson bound 23/03/1809 at Rotherhithe ** to William Randall Deal freedom 09/05/1816
Alfred Deal bound 14/10/1858 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal (Younger) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Thomas Deal bound 14/10/1824 at Rotherhithe to Thomas Deal DROWNED
Henry By Deal bound 04/01/1827 at St Mary Abchurch to Charles William By freedom 09/01/1834
Randall Deal bound 09/08/1849 at Bermondsey to Randall Deal freedom 11/09/1856
Robert Deal bound 09/08/1855 at Greenwich to Randall Deal freedom 11/07/1865
Thomas Deal bound 14/01/1836 at Rotherhithe to Henry By Deal freedom 10/10/1844
William Deal bound 09/12/1847 at Rotherhithe to William Deal freedom 14/12/1854
Henry Jno. Hambrook bound 10/11/1825 at Bermondsey to John Deal freedom 13/12/1832
William Mayhew bound 13/03/1856 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younder) did not finish 00/00/0000
Charles Bowles Deal bound 13/07/1869 at Bermondsey to Francis Wm Hedger freedom 13/10/1874
Charles Newton Deal bound 12/08/1879 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 09/11/1886
Edward Deal bound 09/11/1880 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 08/02/1887
Edwin Thomas Deal bound 09/04/1872 at Bermondsey to William Deal (Younger) freedom 13/05/1879
George Deal bound 10/04/1877 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/10/1883
Matthew John Deal bound 10/09/1867 at Bermondsey to Charles Matt'w W Morris did not finish 00/00/0000
Randall Deal bound 08/09/1874 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 09/11/1880
John Stanley Johnson bound 08/08/1865 at Poplar to Randal Deal did not finish 00/00/0000
Christopher Edward Blythe bound AUG 10 at Bermondsey to Edwin Thomas Deal# CANCELLED
Albert Edward Deal bound 1890 AUG 12 at Bermondsey to William Deal freedom 1895 SEP 10
William John Harding bound 1907 MAR 12 at Camberwell to Randel Deal freedom 1909 APR 23
Arthur Wells bound 1892 OCT 11 at Bermondsey to Randel Deal freedom 1895 MAY 14
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Admissions List For Pensioners 1794-1837
Sarah Deal (Wife Of Thomas) Admitted 1818 FEB 24 From Bermondsey
William Deal Admitted 1794 Before From Greenwich College
The Company Of Watermen & Lightermen Of The River Thames Reassignments 1688-1908
Edward Andrews bound 1781 JUN 28 Reassigned 1784 JUL 1 To Thomas Deal
Henry By Deal bound 1827 JAN 4 Reassigned 1829 MAR 12 To Thomas Deal Snr.
James Lawrence bound 1838 OCT 11 Reassigned 1841 MAR 11 To Henry By Deal
Hiram Harris Slade bound 1810 APR 19 Reassigned 1811 DEC 26 To Thomas Deal
James Tilroy bound 1758 MAY 12 Reassigned 1763 FEB 4 To William Deal
Regards Sue
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Hi Suzie
I am researching the Deal family in Bermondsey and Rotherhithe. They were all Watermern/Lightermen. I believe Thomas Deal 1748-1825 might have drowned but cannot find any record of this. Any help would be much appreciated. JANCHAP
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I too am searching for apprenticeship information about my watermen ancestors. Edward John LAWSON (my 3xgt.g'father) was born in Stepney in 1771, and was described as a "waterman" between 1795 and 1813. From 1815 to 1841(when he died), he was a "lighterman". His father was also Edward,and he probably died in 1789.
Edward John had four sons:-Edward John b.1795; Nicholas b. 1799; James b. 1801; Richard William b. 1815
So far, I have been unable to find out whether they also worked on the river.
For many years the family lived in the Ratcliff area of Stepney.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Suzey
I am new to this and am trying to find out about my relation who was a waterman or lighterman. His name is Richard Harris and he was born in 1793 in Southwark London, all i have is that he won the Coat and Badge race in 1814.
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Hi
So many questions i hope someone could help,
back in 2008 you posted a load of Tuckey waterman. I am researching William Tuckey born in london in 1802 approx and listed in the 1841 census and in baptism records for his children as a waterman or lighterman.
in your original list one william tuckey didn't finish his apprenticeship so am i right in supposing that he wouldn't have had the right to call himself a waterman in census returns?
also the william tuckey who it might be was apprenticed in 1812 when he would have been 10 - 11 years would that be correct?
is there anywhere that the apprenticeship agreements can be looked at?
Thanks to all the fellow genealogists out there, you're always so helpful
jayg
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Hi I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I'm trying to find out info on my mother in law's real father. All she know is his name was John Batty and he was an apprentice to his father as a waterman on the London docks. He was born in 1912, so therefore as they were not allowed to do this until they were 14 it would have been some time after 1921. She thinks he was from Yorkshire and lived in Twickenham. I've been trying to find out for her but just not having any luck. Thank you
Hello, I have just read your post, I am the Granddaughter of John William Battie who was born 07, 01, 1912 he worked as a waterman and Lighterman, and was an apprentice to his Father also.
Did you find out any more about your Mother in Law's father?
I know it has been just over 2 years since you posted on this forum but am hopeful that you read this message.
Thank you
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Hi Sue,
apologies for piggybacking,but if you"re still doing lookups for the Thames,could you provide info on a small family in Wandsworth,who were Watermen for several generations during the 1700's, surname WHANSLAW but may be spelt Wenslaw,Wanslaw .
cheers !! Bruce Parry
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Hello Sue,
Hope I've posted this request correctly (new user)?
Do you have records of any watermen by the surname Masterman?
Kind thanks,
Jonny
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For shazza51 - I have found out some details about john william battie, born 1912. are you still about on this site?
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Hi
So many questions i hope someone could help,
back in 2008 you posted a load of Tuckey waterman. I am researching William Tuckey born in london in 1802 approx and listed in the 1841 census and in baptism records for his children as a waterman or lighterman.
in your original list one william tuckey didn't finish his apprenticeship so am i right in supposing that he wouldn't have had the right to call himself a waterman in census returns?
also the william tuckey who it might be was apprenticed in 1812 when he would have been 10 - 11 years would that be correct?
is there anywhere that the apprenticeship agreements can be looked at?
Thanks to all the fellow genealogists out there ...
jayg
And these are my OH's adoptive father's family. My latest discovery made today ;D
Waterman of Shadwell,
Not to mention his filesmith of Sheffield!!!!
And Fishmonger of st clement danes
Who morphs into Optician of Manchester 8)
outdoes my sergemaker of Clayhidon or
yeoman of Cutcombe
But not my maltster of huish champhflower
for cool
Salute,
Janelle
PS
Sue thank you for providing these replies. And jayg for asking the question :D
I hope there is lots to find from the Guildhall because I'm a'comin
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Hi all.
I'm hoping that someone here can help. I'm trying to find out about my Great Grandfather and his parents. He was a lighterman from 1907 & was born in 1891. His name was Albert John Harris.
I saw 'shades' had posted about a Richard Harris & would be interested to find out if there was a ancestral link.
Thanks.
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Hi Sue, or any others,
I am researching a Henry Moss who, at the age of 50, left England in 1856 to set up a successful lighterage business in Melbourne, Australia. I am interested if he was registered as a waterman/lighterman on the Thames in the period 1821-1855. He had a father, John Moss, who we believe was also a lighterman.
Henry was born in 1807 and departed for Australia in January 1856.
Henry, we believe, ran a lighterage business on the Thames near Swan Lane, London with an office in 101 OR 106 Upper Thames Street, with 2 partners until 1843, aged 37, when their partnership was dissolved. Their business name listing: Moss, Leman & Bryan, wharfingers & shipping agents to all parts of Yorkshire & Lancashire, Commercial wharf & Old Swan pier, 101 Upper Thames street.
I also understand that there were quite a few lightermen/watermen with the surname of Moss.
Thank you in anticipation.
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Hi Ozgm37,
There appears to be quite a bit of information about your Henry on the following link..
https://www.upperbeaconsfieldhistory.org.au//g0/p73.htm#i2184
Jo :)
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Hello,
I hope I'm posting on the correct section. I'm trying to find my 3xggf Henry Mansfield who is on the 1841 census as a lighterman in Lambeth. There is also a James Mansfield and Charles listed as lightermen in the same street on the same census. Is it possible to find an apprentice binding record for Henry and possibly the name of his father or date of birth please? I believe he may have been born about 1806.
Many thanks
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Thank you so much for the information - wonder who George Cripps is? From what you say he must have been somehow related. Interestingly Frederick married Nov 4th 1811 in St Lukes Middlesex - a church which neither party had any connection with, Maybe because he shouldn't have been marrying at all :o :D
Jan ;)
Reply to Janan.
Hi Jan,
this thread is going back a bit (quite a bit, in fact!) Feb 2007 to one of your posts.
I have an ancestor George Cripps as a waterman master. He was master to his son, also George, about 1819.
I think the same George (snr) did his apprenticeship in 1788, which would mean he could have been born about 1762ish so he could have been the same George CRIPPS that was master for your Frederick GROOMBRIDGE.
If anyone else has any waterman apprentice binding info for the surname CRIPPS I would be most grateful as I am trying to find their Free Watermen licence numbers.
Trevor