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Hi
Can anyone advise me of where to start with a name EUSEBE MARS DITE COMPTOIR,
From what my Auntie said, she was French Canadian. The only info I can find is on the 1861 British Census,
Can someone help out with the understanding of this name please, and advise where to start looking for this lady before 1861. The only other thing I can state that her husband Samuel Hodge was a Chelsea Pensioner, and do not know where to start looking for their marriage cert. Any help would be very much appreciated.
Name: Eusebe Hodge
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Canada
Civil parish: St Martin
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: .
Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Looe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Household Members: Name Age
Eusebe Hodge 39
John Hodge 3
Samuel Hodge 44
Many Thanks
Jo
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Hi Jo,
There are Comptoir's in the Province of Quebec. Do you know who Eusebe's parents are? The 1851 Census is available for Quebec.
Karen
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Hi Karen
No, unfortunatly I do not have any other details of parantage or where she came from. so really at a loss of where to begin. Can you check census's for Canada, and if so do you have a link to web site I could have a look.
Many Thanks for your help,
Jo
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Jo,
Here is some information on dit names (if you do an internet search on that phrase, you will get more info):
http://www.francogene.com/quebec/ditnames.php
This is the home page for that site:
http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/index.htm
P.S. Here is the Quebec GenWeb site:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canqc/index.htm
Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild:
http://www.immigrantships.net/
Regards,
Josephine
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Jo,
I couldn't find a marriage on FreeBMD (in case they were married in England) but maybe someone else can:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
One thought would be to find out where their son was baptized (probably in Cornwall) and then check to see if they were married at the same church.
I see that Samuel has a wife named Sarah in 1871. But I can't find a death for Eusebe between 1861-1871 on FreeBMD. Again, maybe someone else can. If not, maybe she might have been buried in the town where they were listed in 1861, so it might be worth it to find out if church records are available.
Regards,
Josephine
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Hello Jo
Mars name variations are Massé and du Vailly.
Surname Mars indicates see Massé.
Source: Dictionnaire généalogique des familles canadiennes Vol.5, p .525 [Dictionnaire - Mare section - p.19]
http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/dicoGenealogie/
Massé variation of surname Mars - du Vailly
Source: Dictionnaire généalogique des familles canadiennes Vol.5, p .555 [Dictionnaire - Mas section - p.3]
As she was born abt 1822 and Canada's borders changed, she could well have been born in what became the USA and records may be in the USA. This happened with my early French ancestors.
Also from what I see Eusèbe is a male name. Wonder if there is a feminine version with an additional e.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eus%C3%A8be
Linda
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I'd suggest trying to track down Samuel's army records - which should be at the National Archives, as well as looking at the overseas indexes (these are on findmypast) of army marriages.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecrossroads/regiments/geographic.html - here's a list of regiments which were in Canada between 1838-1855 and between 1855-1870.
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Mars name variations are Massé and du Vailly.
Linda
Interesting Linda, My great aunt was a Masse from Quebec. I have not done much on her side, there are stories of voyagers and indians and banishments to Ontario. Maybe one day I'll be brave and tackle it :)
Karen
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Hello Karen
I also have Voyageurs and Indians on my Dad's side. One of his rellies was also one of the first settler in what is now Orillia. Lots of interesting stuff.
Watch the Quebec, as dependant on birth date could be Ontario or the US. My rellie gave her place of birth as Quebec, her daughter on Canadian census up to and including 1881 was listed as Ontario. She, the mom was born abt 1805 and I was lucky to locate her daughter on a 1900 US census where she lists her mothers birth as Ohio and hers as New York.
Map of New France late 1700s
http://www.americanjourneys.org/maps/aj-048.pdf#search=%22%22new%20france%22%20map%22
Ohio was New France at the time of my rellies' birth. The French residents of Quebec strongly resented the Royal Proclamation of 1763, which imposed British institutions on them. Many of its provisions, however, were reversed by the Quebec Act (1774), which granted important concessions to the French and extended Quebec's borders westward and southward to include all the inland territory to the Ohio and the Mississippi. Makes it understandable the mother' gave her birthplace as Quebec and her daughter living in the U.S. in 1900 would give her mom's birthplace as Ohio.
Good luck!
Linda
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The very last name seems to come up as mostly German... Here are some Comptoir in Chambly County 1852 transcribed as Comptois? However the closer I look the more I see that there are distinct "s" and "r" in the various members of the household so likely was a tossup for transcribers...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=34606
Then there are the Dit Comptois of which there are thousands...so perhaps this is the correct spelling? The dit name can mean "of" or "from" as in "of the town/area of" but it can also "know as"....a confusing thing for researchers...
i'll look around for more...hubby has a book on earlier census, may find something in there...
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I found a marriage! Good start as her surname is here as Meurs and her first name as Eusele which makes more sense. Married Montreal 1840, Garrison Anglican Church
http://pistard.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=113:11:769768646478734::NO::P11_CLE:11071
Found one marriage contract mariage de la région de Québec, 1761-1946
Not necessarily a direct relative but it also has name variations to show how confusing this all maybe to find more...
1788-01-30 François Meurs (Mœurs, Meur, Murs, Moers) and Marianne (Marie-Anne) Morin
Other partner - remarks: Lépine dit Lalime, Angélique Notaire:Descheneaux, Pierre-Louis
http://pistard.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=131:11:2430238571457260::NO::P11_CLE:29341
You can try various names in the marriage bonds database:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/marriage-bonds/001068-100.01-e.php
all I have time for right now, maybe someone can go on with this tidbit...
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Hi folks
A possible baptism record for Eusebe....
At Montreal, Sault de Recollet, Parish La Visitation-de-la-Bienheureuse-Vierge-Marie
Transcribed from the French record:
Marie Eusebe Mars dit Comptoir
Baptized 27 Feb 1821
Born the day before of the legitimate marriage of Ambroise Mars dit Comptoir and Sophie Dube
Unfortunately, parents names are not on the original marriage record for Samuel and Eusebe, but the record above is a very close match to your information.
If you think this may be her, I'll try and find the parents' marriage for you.
Polarbear
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Ohhh, good work Polarbear ;D...and note that we are now back to Eusebe & Mars...the original request...sigh ::)
eventually, MARS CONTOIS...might be another version of the name
The husband's name may now also be under Mars, Meurs, Mers, Murs etc...but sans the dit ( there is also St. Mars/ du mars de Mars then remove the "s" or add an "r" etc....and who knows if hers might have an additional title added...but you have a date, which is cool...
Have contacted thread owner by p.m. This is an old topic, so email addresses may have been changed since, so we'll wait for a reply before you dig any more....
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Wow,
Thankyou Thankyou everyone. Your help is so much appricaited. Myself and my Aunty have been looking for any info for years. Yes any more info would be fantastic. We just seemed to hit a brick wall with this. How have you found this????
Thankyou so much once again
Joanne
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Just found this Death in LIskead, where she was last known on the Census
It would make her Birth around 1825
Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
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Deaths Mar 1869
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Hodge Maria 44 Liskeard 5c 43
What do you think
Thanks
Joanne
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awe...She died so young... I think death dates are only as accurate as the person who declares the information is knowledgeable of the information...In other words, for the most part, not too reliable... However censuses have proven to be iffy as well, for the same reason...fibbing or partner not knowing age of spouse...both can only be used as stepping stones...without the parents listed on the marriage, it will be tough to prove...Perhaps the mixed religion marriage prompted them to not bother...too bad :P
Some info on the Sault de Recollet, Parish La Visitation-de-la-Bienheureuse-
http://www.memorablemontreal.com/accessibleQA/en/histoire.php?quartier=9
I have not been successful in finding the location for the Garrison Anglican Church
Mar- http://books.google.ca/books?id=Xy9KAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA484
Meurs http://books.google.ca/books?id=Xy9KAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA353
Comptoir/s http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionnairegn03tang#page/n247/mode/2up/search/comptoir
comtoir/s http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionnairegn03tang#page/n247/mode/2up/search/comtoi
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Hello Jo
She was named for her godmother (marraine) Eusèbe Mars dit Comptoir. Godfather Nicolas Lipiot. Father was a farmer.
You can access the image at Family Search Pilot. Go to Montreal -> La-Visitation-du-Sault-au-Récollet -> 1813-1828 period (image no. 138 of 283).
http://www.rootschat.com/links/090o/
Linda
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Hi Linda and everyone
For some strange reason it will not allow me to open the last link you posted
Joanne
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The basics of the marriage of Eusebe's parents...
At St-Vincent-de-Paul-de-I'le-Jesus Church in Laval (just north of Montreal Quebec)
22 Feb 1819
By Banns
Ambroise Mars dit Comtois
Labourer
Son of major age of Francois Mars dit Comtois and Marie Langlois
Marie Sophie Dube
Daughter of minor age of Amable Dube and Marie Suzanne Fournier
Parties present declared they were not able to sign.
Polarbear
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Thank you so much Polarbear. you have all been a great help :D
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Hi again
Some more marriages....
Francois Mars dit Comtois
f. Francois Mars
m. Marie Anne Cazal
to
Marie Anne Langlois
f. Pierre Langlois
m. Marie Anne La Bel
28 Jan 1788 at Laval, St-Vincent-de-Paul-de-l'Ile-Jesus Church
Charles Amable Dube
f. Joseph Dube
m. Marie Basil St Pierre
to
Marie Suzanne Fournier
f. Pierre Fournier
m. Suzanne Compagnac
28 Jul 1784 at Montreal, Sault -au- Recollet, La Visitation-de-la-Bienheureuse-Vierge-Marie Church
Francois Mars dit Comtois aged 35 years
f. Jean Baptiste Mars
m. Marguerite Picard?
to
Marie Anne Cazal aged 18 years
f. Ambroise Cazal de/dit La Lime
m. Marie Elizabeth Comte deceased
24 Jan 175? at Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame
Pierre Langlois
f. Martin Langlois deceased
m. Marie ? deceased
to
Marie La Belle
f. Pierre La Belle
m. Genevieve Brazeau
39 Jan 1764 at Laval, St Vincent-de-Paul-de l'Ile-Jesus Church
Continued.....
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Continuing...
Pierre Fournier aged 36 years
f. ? Fournier
m. ? Aubin?
to
Suzanne Campagnac aged 22 years
f. Louis Campagnac
m. Catherine Bernier
25 Apr 1763 at Montreal, Basilique Notre-Dame
All marriages by Banns
Hope you can wade through the generations without too much trouble :)
I have edited out a couple of question marks above and will do the same for others if I can baptismal records.
My eyeballs are about to fall out from trying to read the old parish records...the writing is not the greatest....so I am calling it a night. I am away tomorrow but will try and post the baptisms of some of these people the next day.
Polarbear
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Anything that I can find on here to fill in blanks or alternate spellings for above question marks will modify to add to this reply
Pierre Fournier parents Julien FOURNIER Perrine AUBIN
Pierre Langlois- parents Martin LANGLOIS Marie Louise PAQUET
La Bell also spelled LABELLE
1752 - Francois Mars dit Comtois - Jean Baptiste MARS Marguerite PICOTE /picard
Campagnac also Campagna
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Thanks J.J. Those names and date are a great help :).
Polarbear
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You are awesome to do all this work on josenrab's behalf... ;D J.J.
More notes Aubin / Auban Basil / Basile
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Aha, the couple is from France and that's why we haven't a marriage...so Pierre actually had the name
Pierre Fournier dit Lapierre (http://www.genealogie.org/famille/fournier/fourniers_ancestors.htm)
Pierre Fournier dit Lapierre arrived from Brittany. A soldier, he was the son of Julien Fournier and Périne Aubin from Saint-Pierre de Rétiers, diocese of Rennes in Brittany. His first marriage, in Lachine on May 18, 1757 was to Catherine Audon-Rochefort, daughter of Bernard Audon-Rochefort and Marie-Josephte Desforges. His second marriage was in Montreal on April 25, 1763 to Suzanne Campagnac, daughter of Louis Campagnac and Marie-Catherine Bernier.
Found no reference to his parents in first marriage
1757 Lachine where he used LaPierre
Pierre FOURNIER LAPIERRE m. Catherine ODON ( a.k.a. Catherine Audon-Rochefort)
Now realize an alternate spelling was used for mother in this first marriage
Julien FOURNIER & Catherine AUBERT *
(*Note perhaps he remembered his wife's surname by mistake thus the Audin for mother in second marriage)
This site has parents' marriage: Julien Fournier/Lapierre et Perrine-Catherine Auber marié le 12 février 1711 à Visseiche Please note that verification may be needed on all linked site information on the thread...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0910/ translation may distort order of wording
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Wow :o, this gets more and more complex by the minute. :D Think I need to run upstairs and print all this info off. ;D
Big :-* to everyone for there help
x
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Wow J.J. Where ever did you find that?
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Pure luck with keywording thrown in... ;D ... O.K. all sets of gg grandparents now found right? Oh, wait I see we need to confirm parents of Dube & St. Pierre..
heehee note I said "We" :-X
You know Family search labs have tons of work done in Chambly so there are marriages and baptisms coming up as people transcribe their rellies' known parishes...! Awesome!!!
O.K. I know there was some conflicting stuff on them...this site may or may not be accurate, but the parents are as I'd thought...I know polarbear was working on this...hopefully this is accurate & saves time checking on years...
http://www.dubefamily.info/dube1/Outline194.html
Joseph Dube 16 Sep 1708
+Marie-Angelique Pelletier
- Joseph Dube + Angelique Cabon Feb 19/1759
2nd Wife of Joseph Dube
+ Marguerite Cloatier m. Aug 27, 1730 Islet ( on PRDH as Marguerite Barbe Cloutier )
Joseph Dube Aug. 30 1733
+ Marie-Basillisse St. Pierre 1722/ m. Jan 8, 1759 St. Roch
-Charles Dec 14, 1762
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A few more marriages...
Martin L'anglois
f. Germain L'anglois
m. Jeanne Chalifour
Marie Louise Paquier
f. Jacques Paquier
m. Marie Francoise Stives
all parents 'of this parish'
09 Feb (?) 1716
Quebec, Notre-Dame
Note: The priest has written Marie Louise's surname as Paquier but she has signed the register herself as Paquet so this should be considered the correct spelling, I'd think.
Germain Langlois, habitant, of bourg (?) Royal
F. Michel Langlois
m. Catherine La Clare ........parents of Paris (assume France)
Jeanne Chalifour
f. Paul Chalifour
m.Jacquette Archambault .........parents of this parish
14 Jul 1675
Quebec, Notre-Dame
Pierre LaBelle
f. Pierre LaBelle
m. Jeane Boulard
Genevieve Brazeau
f. Gabriel Brazeau
m. Angelique Angrave
08 Mar 1734
Riviere-des-Prairies, St-Joseph
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Another marriage....
Louis Campagna
f. Louis Campagna (deceased)
m. Marie Magdelene Rabain (?)
Marie Catherine Bernier
f. Jacques Bernier (deceased)
m. Angelique Fontaine
11 Feb (?) 1731
St-Augustin
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Hello They are very difficult.
With the Campagna - Bernier marriage the priest uses a number/letter combination - 9 + looks like bre for septembre, but I would expect to see ème as august would not end in bre. Ninth month, so marriage date would be 11 September 1731.
Grooms mother's surname would be Raboin [Rabouin]
Linda
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http://www.dubefamily.info/dube1/Outline194.html
Joseph Dube and Marie Basile St Pierre m. Jan 8 1759 St-Roch-des-Aulnaies
Parents Joseph Dube & Maguerite Cloutier
For her parents...need to look closely before proceeding...
Several site have her as married twice, but I think they are 2 different ladies. Maybe Linda's eyes can help prove or disprove...? Throwing the ball over there... ;D ( eyeball that is mine are pooped)
Marguerite Barbe CLOUTIER born 1711 Cap-St-Ignace
Father Louis CLOUTIER mother Anne THIBAULT
Joseph DUBE Marguerite-Barbe CLOUTIER Aug 27 1730 L' Islet
more parents here but you'll need to check for accuracy:
http://www.familyorigins.com/users/s/t/g/Bob--Stgelais/FAMO1-0001/d350.htm#P53841
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Took a look JJ
For the Dube-St. Pierre marriage, her parents aren't given. This a second marriage. She is veuve (widow) of deceased Jean <---?> .
Linda
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Thanks Linda ..this would be the first marriage then...the site I saw has him as Pain...and it was ;D
so this should be the first marriage
In 1747 St-Roch-des-Aulnaies Jean PIN / Marie Basile STPIERRE
with her parents* Ignace STPIERRE and Marie Madeleine PELLETIER
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... Please do not use the information below in this reply as concrete... as all information needs to be verified From these sites: will erase later
http://fam.eastmill.com/i1231.htm#i87857 http://claudeprudhomme.com/castprud/f2129.htm
Married June 15, 1717 - Rivière Ouelle, Kamouraska, Québec, Canada
Parents Pierre St. Pierre & Marie Madeline Gerbert
Jean Pelletier & Marie Anne Huot Dit St. Laurent
There are ages, dates & numerous links to parents for the parents but you'd need to confirm this information
(* Note one site has him as "Ignace St Pierre dit Dessaint " )
This is getting confusing as we are starting to see the same surnames popping up, which will happen more as we get further back into the lower population of early "New France".
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Linda, it is very nice to have another pair of eyes reading the records. I couldn't make that marriage record out at all but it is now plain as day, of course ;D.
Great find J.J.!
There is a burial for a Jean Pin, aged about 50, 23 May 1758, in the same parish as the marriage.
Witnesses to the marriage look to me to be Joseph Dube, father of the groom, who signed the register, Pierre Dube, uncle of the groom, and ? Marie St Pierre, brother of the bride (can't make out his first name).
Polarbear
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I was confused back on page 1. hahah ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks to everyone for all your help, I would not of known where to start, or infact how lol. ;D
Thanks again
Joanne x :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Polarbear Linda and J.J
Big Thankyou xx
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Here is some work done on the Martin Langlois/ Marie Louise Paquet but looking back through to descendants it eventually contradicts our findings...The Mars Comtois is a hard one to follow... Please do not use the information in this reply as concrete as all information needs to be verified will erase later
Copy& paste if you wish to view
Now here the parents are noted for Marie Louise PAQUET as being
Jacques PAQUET, b. 14 Sep 1675, Charlesbourg, QC,
* Mary Francis STEVENS, b. Abt 1675 England ::)
Mar 1764, Québec, QC, ( but polar bear has found her as clearly stating Styves)
http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I94769&tree=v7_28
Other sites have her as Styves which is thought to be name of places family originated... St. Yves (France)
also this same site has a different descendant ::)
http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I94692&tree=v7_28
will look in later to see what's what
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I think it would be prudent at this point to take a breather to allow josenrab the chance to digest what we have found so far. There is quite a bit to take in.
Polarbear
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Thankyou
I am going to have a long hard look at all this info over the weekend, and as you say try and digest it all. Then forward these finding over to my Auntie, for her to have a look as well, I havent managed to get hold of her over the last couple of days, so this is going to come as a very very big and wonderful suprise to her.
You have all been so amazing with all this help.
Thanks once again,
Joanne