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Title: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Saturday 12 May 07 13:34 BST (UK)

Hi

Could anyone please help me find Stephen Barnes in the 1841 - 1871 census. He is the Ggreatgrandfather of my Husband.

Stephen Barnes born 1835 in Ashton, Hampshire,

Married in 1859, wifes name Caroline. Should be living in Owslebury, Winchester, in 1861, 71.

I've tracked him down after these dates. But done have access to 1841-71.

Thank you very much.

Clare

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 13:58 BST (UK)

Hi Clare
 Welcome to Rootschat
1861 There is this family
Stephen Barnes head mar 26 ag lab Hants Bishop Waltham
Caroline       "     wife mar 20                  "    Winchester
Elizabeth  M  "     dau u/m 1                    "     Twyford
James Shepherd border wid 65 ag lab Wilts Salsibury
living at Owelsbury, Twyford, Hampshire
Rg9/ 694
folio 116
page 24

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 14:06 BST (UK)

1871 There is this family
Stephen Barnes head mar 36 ag lab Hants Bishop Waltham
Caroline      "      wife mar 28                "      Winnall?
Elizabeth     "      dau u/m 12                 "     Twyford
Caroline       "      dau u/m 7                   "     Owlesbury
living at Twyford, Winchester, Hampshire
Rg10/ 1213
folio 115
page 14

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Saturday 12 May 07 14:09 BST (UK)

Thanks for that

This confirms information I have found on the IGI. They had a Stepehen Barnes born in Bishops Waltham. To whom I think are the correct parents. But on all further census, Stephen has his place of birth as Ashton?

Thanks

Clare

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 14:17 BST (UK)

1851
James Barns head mar 43 wheelwright Hants Ringwood
Sarah     "     wife mar 44                          "     Romsey?
James     "     son u/m 20           "              "     Southampton
Stephen  "    son u/m 16            "              "     Waltham
Eliza         "   dau u/m 14                           "          "
Mary Ann  "   dau u/m 10                           "     Twyford
Matilda      "   dau u/m 6                            "    Owlesbury
Living at Owlesbury, Winchester, Hampshire
H0107/ 1675
folio 41
page 2

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 14:22 BST (UK)

Hi Clare
1841
James Barnes 30 wheelwright journeyman Born in County
Sarah       "      35                                                 "
Charles     "      14                                                 "
James        "     9                                                    "
Stephen     "      6                                                   "
Eliza            "    4                                                   "
James Barnes 55 wheelwright journeyman           "
Living at Twyford, Winchester, Hampshire
H0107/ 404/19
folio 5
page 5

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ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Saturday 12 May 07 14:24 BST (UK)

Thank you very much for that.

It's been a great help

Thanks

Clare

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 14:31 BST (UK)

Hi Clare
 Your very welcome, pleased to be able to help you out

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Little Nell on Saturday 12 May 07 21:43 BST (UK)

Clare,

Ashton is a village or hamlet with no church in the parish of Bishops Waltham.  Therefore both Ashton and Bishops Waltham can be considered correct for a place of birth.  Have a look at an OS map on:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk

You will see how close the two places are.

Stephen is the only Barnes child born to parents James & Sarah in Bishops Waltham that I can find.  I have found a James baptised in Millbrook in 1830.

Nell

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 21:47 BST (UK)

Hi Nell
 Do that mean I got the right family ;)

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Little Nell on Saturday 12 May 07 21:54 BST (UK)

Possibly - in fact probably!  I just can't find the other kids at the moment.  They certainly moved around!

Nell

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: ricky1 on Saturday 12 May 07 21:57 BST (UK)

Hi Nell
its not to bad when there together, its when they go seperate ways or the dau's  get married ;)

ricky

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Sunday 13 May 07 10:37 BST (UK)

Quote from: Little Nell on Saturday 12 May 07 21:43 BST (UK)

Clare,

Ashton is a village or hamlet with no church in the parish of Bishops Waltham.  Therefore both Ashton and Bishops Waltham can be considered correct for a place of birth.  Have a look at an OS map on:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk

You will see how close the two places are.

Stephen is the only Barnes child born to parents James & Sarah in Bishops Waltham that I can find.  I have found a James baptised in Millbrook in 1830.

Nell

Nell

There is another child born to James and Sarah in Bishops Waltham, on the IGI. It is Sarah Eliza Barnes, Baptised 03 SEP 1837.
She is then called Eliza on the census.

James and Sarah are also living in Owslebury in 1881. as is son James and family. So I'm sure this is all the same family for Stephen. Though I do find it strange that James and Sarah moved around a lot.

I am wondering if the Barnes could be a Romany family, as when I was looking for possible parents of James Barnes born 1808 in ringwood. A lot of the Christian names had a Romany feel to them. Ringwood, Romsey and Bishops Waltham had strong links to the Romany comunity.

Clare

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: peternoyce on Wednesday 16 October 13 15:45 BST (UK)

Hi Clare,

Stephen Barnes is my great great great grandfather. My surname is Noyce and I still live within a couple of miles from Bishops Waltham. If you ever track down any exact locations where they lived or local grave stones etc I'd be happy to go and get some photos.

Thanks

Pete

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Thursday 07 November 13 15:57 GMT (UK)

Hi

I have done extensive work on the family research. Please let me know if you would like any information.

Kind Regards Clare

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: peternoyce on Thursday 07 November 13 17:59 GMT (UK)

Hi Clare, thanks for your message.

I'm descended from Francis (Frank) Noyce who married Caroline Barnes (daughter of Stephen). Their son, Arthur Thomas Noyce, was my Great Grandfather.

Title: Re: Stephen Barnes in 1841 - 1871
Post by: Noycie on Thursday 28 November 13 15:45 GMT (UK)

Hi

My Husband is decended from Francis's brother Nelson. Who was married to Carroline's sister Elizabeth Barnes. As well as information, documents and photos for the Noyce's. I have also researched Caroline and Elizabeth fathers and mothers line nee Mason, who are from Winchester.

If I remember correctly Winchester Records office have a copy of Franks will.

I've gone back to 1785 on the Barnes Tree, and 1710 on the Noyce line. Let me know if you would like any information.
Regards Clare