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Hi Need help, not much info at all really
EMILY BICKERDYKE 1918 my husbands mother married to John Silverwood 1916
She had 3 sisters Emma Ivy and Lily
Mother Lily Louisa Potts (nee Bickerdyke) married to Ben
Lily Louisa died 21.04.46 living @ 7 Rillbank St. Leeds 3 aged 58, buried Woodhouse Cemetery.
Don't know what surname the 3 sisters went by?
My husband has no recollections of that side of the family through his childhood, except that sister Lily was married to Harry Green (Ripon stonemason).
Don't seem to be able to find any records, or maybe I'm not looking in the right places.
Hope someone can help.
Thankyou
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Hi silver1,
What is it that you are looking for? :)
If it's 20th century births marriages and deaths, they are searchable here:
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
Make sure you choose Complete BMD Index ranges & Images 1837-1983 and view the 4 quarters of each year.
Tanja :)
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Thought I would help you out with a few look ups in the indexes to start you off - but I soon got confused!
Here is the birth of Emily Bickerdyke in 1918
Jul/Aug/Sep 1918 Emily Bickerdyke, mothers maiden name Gaines, Leeds area ref 9b 521.
I was going on to find the sisters, when I saw that the mother was Potts nee Bickerdyke - is this the mother of these 4 girls?
So were Emliy, Emma, Ivy and Lily childen of Lily Potts nee Bickerdyke - in which case that will not be Emliy's birth as she would be a Potts?
But you are looking for a Bickerdyke? Yep - i got confused!
Or was Lily firstly a Gaines (as per birth entry) then married a Bickerdyke, then remarried a Potts?
Seconldly, Lily Louisa looks like she was born about 1888. I'll have a quick look for her birth under Bickerdyke and Gaines
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There is a birth of a Lily Louisa Gaines in Jan/Feb/MAr 1887 York area ref 9d 36
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Marriage Oct/NovDec 1907 Lily Louise Gaines, cross references with Thomas Bickerdyke. Leeds area ref 9b 880
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OK, it is all coming togwther now! Here are the births of the other girls:
Lily Bickerdyke JAn/Feb/Mar 1908 Leeds 9b 444 (this is a possible, there are no mother's maiden names im the index before 1910ish)
Ivy Bickerdyke mother's maiden name Gaines, Jan/Feb/Mar 1912, Leeds 9b 664
Emma Bickerdyke Jan/Feb/Mar 1915 mothers maiden name Gaines Leeds 9b 699
Looks like Thomas died after 1918 (when Emily born) and Lily Louisa remarried to a Mr Potts
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.... though I cant find a death registration in April 1946 for Lily Louisa Potts.
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Do you want me to go on?
These are all easily looked up on the link Tati gave - I dont want to spoil the fun of it for you!
You can hunt through for the marriages of the four girls, deaths etc.
As for going backwards, Lily Louisa Gaines should be on the 1901 and 1891 censuses.
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Sorry I made a mistake the death for Lily Louisa was January 1946 not April as I previously said.
She was buried at Woodhouse cemetary in Leeds, service was held at St Simons Church.
Can I just ask (may sound stupid)
How do I determine who is the right husband? I searched through marriages for Lily (the daughter) and there was several possibilities, it was only because I knew who she married , otherwise I could have picked another husband ??
???
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no questions are stupid.
The simple answer is - you dont! With a common surname there will be hundreds of possibilities.
With a name like Bickerdyke you are lucky.
but you will need to send for certs to prove they are the right ones - should show father, Thomas.
Sometimes you need to approach things from a number of different angles. For example, seeing if Lily senior made a will- if so it may mention her daughters by their married names. Or finding the marriage of one of them - and then you may find one of the sisters was a witness and was already married, so gives her married name. Keep an open mind and slowly piece bits together, is my advise, and most of all - never assume anything!
Happy hunting - I take it you are into it yourself now, so i shall back off!
But hopefully the info on Lily actually being a Gaines was useful.
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pS still no death registration for Lily Potts in Jan 1946!
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Thanks for all your help,
Im sure I'll be back to ask you advice again.
;)
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Maybe this is why you couldn't find her death as Potts?
Lily L Bickerdyke married Benjamin POTTER in Leeds in Mar 1/4 of 1921
And her death as Lily L POTTER happened in Leeds in the March 1/4 of 1946 she was 58 ref 9b page 512.
Regards,
Carol
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Carol - you are a star!
Here is her death
Lily L Potter 58 Leeds area 9b 512, in Jan/F/MAr 1946
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You'd got that too? why didnt I read that bit?
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I added it after....so you're not going mad Liz :P
Carol
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I'm sure there are many who would say otherwise......
But I must say this is a rewarding thread - from the sketchy info that Emliy Bickerdyke had a mum Lily Potts and thre sisters whose surname was unknown, we have (subject to confirmation by certs, but I am 100% sure) found that Lily was actually a Gaines, who married a Bickerdyke in 1907, had the four girls in 1908 - 18, and later married a Potter in 1921!
I am itching to find Thomas Bickerdykes death (which we now know is between 1918 and 1921) to round it off, but I did tell Silver I would back off now he/she is getting into it!
And then it is all set for finding Lily L Gaines in the censuses as a child too...
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OK, my turn then :D Great job, Liz and Carol 8)
1901
RG13/4237 27 18
Leeds, Yorkshire
11 Corporation St
Emma Gaines, head, mar, 54, b. Leeds
Chas, son, 19, (can't read occupation: perhaps Furniture maker or furnace something), b. York
Herbert, son, 16, Spring Fitter, b. York
Lily, dau, 14, b. York
1891
RG12/3705 56 37
Leeds, Yorkshire
5 Quandrant St
2 rooms occupied
Francis Gains, head, 45, Brass Finisher, b. Theakstone
Emma, wife, 44, b. Leeds
Emma M, dau, 16, Weaver, b. Leeds
Charles K?, son, 9, scholar, b. York
Herbert E?, son, 6, scholar, b. York
Lily L, dau, 4, scholar, b. York
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No wonder she was a mystery, you are a star, dont know how she turned from Potter to Potts?
Another question , I found the husbands to the sisters Bickerdyke
How would I find the children, as the sisters etc are too young to be on the census??? ???
I get a lot of use out of that smiley.
Thanks again
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You lot are great!!!
What sites are you using, you seem to get information by magic, It took me ages to trawl through all the marriages last night, and you lot seem to find things in seconds???
Is it better to subscribe to a site, and get unlimted access to census etc??
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou :)
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The info i have given you has all been from the Full indexes on Ancestry - I dont have a subscription, they are free for all to view!
So - for the children of the Bickerdyke girls it is a case of trawling thorugh year by year, and quarter by quarter within each year looking for children with the appropiate surname with 'mother's maiden name' listed as Bickerdyke. (If you want help -just give us the surname and date of marriage)
If you have broadband it really doesnt take that long, though I understand if you dont, it does.
My research days started before this was online, and you had to take a trip up to London and physically trawl throught the index books (that these images are scanned from) - so anything is quick and easy in comparison! And before censuses were indexed - hours and hours of winding through films and films of censuses looking for a name.... Oh those were the days!
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Was just browsing for family history on the internet my name is Mark Bickerdyke
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Hi Mark, what area do you come from??
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If you look at Mark's profile it says! And it is the right area for your Bickerdykes!
Perhaps you have found a long lost rellie, silver.
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Thanks for that, I never thought
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I Am Married with 2 daughters Emily Anne Bickerdyke 2 Years Old & Ella Marie Bickerdyke 6 Months
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was just wondering if you are in my husbands family tree. He was born in Leeds area. Parents John and Emily. Bickerdyke is his mothers maiden name
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Hi only just started looking into things My Dad is called Philip Bickerdyke & he has a brother & sister called Colin & Susan there Mum & Dad my grandparents Ernest & Mable
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Hi will look at family tree, but, I think they are mainly sisters, so wont have passed name down. will be back.
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I am looking for George and Jean who lived in France for a while about 2000 and looked after/nursed my mother in April 2000. George was/is a retired police man - I think - and his wife was a nurse. Can anybody help me?
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Hello to all Bickerdykes here.
I am researching my Grandmothers family tree.
She was Ivy Bickerdyke , probably Lily's sister.
She lived next door at 9 Rillbank Street , leeds 3.
I remember playing there as a child when we went to visit.
My father , Barrie Adgie was her son.
I would like to contact you , if I can , to learn more about my newly found family.
Cheers , Gary Adgie.
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Hello Silver.
It seems that you and my father were cousins.
Your mum and my grandmother were sisters.
Did you know my Dad , Barrie Adgie(born 1937) ?
Or my aunties , Aileen(born 1939) and Christine(born 1944) ?
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I would also like help with my branch of the Bickerdyke family. Louisa (born maybe 1850 in Hunslet) married Benjamin Ellerby in 1879 in Bradford. Apparently they had 10+ children.
Does anyone have anything on this branch??
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Hi Lindafinn , did you get any success in finding your Bickerdyke relatives ?
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Not really - ill health intervened and I've been a long time without much interest in my family history. I must get back to it :) New Year's resolution maybe ::)
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Hi Are you still looking for information. I know your family. Your grandad Ernest was my dads cousin. I used to be a Bickerdyke too.