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Title: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: arana 80 on Wednesday 09 May 07 06:54 BST (UK)
Hi Folks,

I wonder if some kind person can add to my knowledge of the Colch family, I have Thomas Colch married to Mary Sheeran (no dates) they had three children Marguerite, Thomas b. 1847 Tullamore and George who came to Queensland, Australia.
Thomas Colch married Bridget Doud (Dowd) of Galway in Maryborough, Queensland on the 12 Feb 1876. They had eight sons and one daughter.
Would like to learn something of their former life in Ireland.

Best Wishes
Arana80   
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Alan Ryan on Saturday 17 November 07 00:54 GMT (UK)
Just been having a quick look at the IGI and noticed some sparce info that you may already have picked up yourself.  The records have spelt Mary's maiden name as Sherin and the children as Margaret who married John Hanifin 16/12/1867 in Qld and died 8/11/1868.........George married Ellen Fallon 24/11/1878 in Qld..........Thomas d.30/9/1921 in Kilkivan Qld.............and Ann Colch b.1831 in Ireland, m.1854 to George Lamb, d.19/5/1914 at Taroom Qld and burried in the local cemetery. It maybe a coincidence but my g/grandfather Patrick Ryan married a Mary Lamb (1851-1891) from Tullamore. Alan Ryan.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: arana 80 on Saturday 17 November 07 05:40 GMT (UK)
Just been having a quick look at the IGI and noticed some sparce info that you may already have picked up yourself.  The records have spelt Mary's maiden name as Sherin and the children as Margaret who married John Hanifin 16/12/1867 in Qld and died 8/11/1868.........George married Ellen Fallon 24/11/1878 in Qld..........Thomas d.30/9/1921 in Kilkivan Qld.............and Ann Colch b.1831 in Ireland, m.1854 to George Lamb, d.19/5/1914 at Taroom Qld and burried in the local cemetery. It maybe a coincidence but my g/grandfather Patrick Ryan married a Mary Lamb (1851-1891) from Tullamore. Alan Ryan.

Thanks Alan, yes I have those names and dates. I have names and birth dates for George Colch & Ellen Fallon's children nothing further on them.
Thomas who died in Kilkivan I have all his descendants.
I'm still looking for birthdates for Margaret & George Colch and any info relating to the family back in Ireland.
Arana80
 
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 17 November 07 06:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Arana,

What denomination were your Colch and Sheeran ancestors?

There's no mention of either name in the Irish Flax Growers list of 1796.

Christopher
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Alan Ryan on Saturday 17 November 07 11:07 GMT (UK)
Hello again Arana, the reason I latched on to your post is that I put an almost identical post on line 2 weeks ago and a very helpful and knowledgable "Aghadowey" put me right. She told me to order the Parochial Registers of Tullamore (Offaly) 1801-1881 (FHL British Film 926186) from a local LDS family history centre. The centres and library contents are listed on the "familysearch" site. I'm now waiting for LDS to come back to me when they have the film, so that I can ride up to Pontefract and study it. I don't know how easy it will be to use it (first time 'n' all) but I could keep my eye open for your lot whilst I'm searching if you want. Idealy though if you have a local centre you could order it and spend as much time as you like on it and then expand to other areas if needed. Alan.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: arana 80 on Sunday 18 November 07 02:57 GMT (UK)
Hello Alan, Thanks once again for your assistance, those Parochial Registers sound very promising and, yes I have a LDS centre about a ten minute car drive away so I will be placing an order to view one first thing tomorrow (Monday). Regards from sunny Queensland.
Arana
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: arana 80 on Sunday 18 November 07 03:09 GMT (UK)
Hello Christopher -  The Colch & Sheeran,s were Roman Catholic.
I have received information that in 1854 there were three Colch Families and between 1847 - 1867 there were two Sheeran families, interesting but, not enough to know where they woud fit into a family tree.
Regards Arana
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 18 November 07 10:47 GMT (UK)
Hello Alan, Thanks once again for your assistance, those Parochial Registers sound very promising and, yes I have a LDS centre about a ten minute car drive away so I will be placing an order to view one first thing tomorrow (Monday). Regards from sunny Queensland.
Arana
You can check LDS catalogue online at www.familysearch.org to see whether or not they hold microfilmed copies of the church records you are looking for.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Jack2227 on Saturday 01 November 08 21:28 GMT (UK)
(by kind permission of Noel Farrell)Sheeran Tullamore 1902 census 'Tullamore
Roots'.

Colehill;
Patrick & Mary; Mary, Thomas, Robert, Patrick

Killeigh;
Catherine, Elizabeth.

(10) Wheelwright lane;
Colch
Thomas & Mary; Patrick, Michael, Thomas, Maryanne

1911 census;
Cloncon;
Colch; Margaret, Thomas, Joseph,

1901 Cloncon; Colsh Patrick & Kate
                        Colsh Margaret, Thomas, Joseph, Maryanne

Puttaghan;
Colch Thomas & Catherine; William, Patrick, Annie. (tailor)


Jack
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: louislou411 on Monday 19 January 09 05:01 GMT (UK)
I visited Cloncon in RC Killeigh in Oct 2008 and Nov 2008 and managed to view the land that Thomas Colsh and Patrick Colsh lived.  The Colsh family died out in Cloncon in the 1950s.  Colsh relatives of mine in Co Offaly have not been found todate.  About half a dozen are known to have emigrated in the mid to late 1800s.
I read the RC Killeigh baptisms and marriages in Dublin in Oct 2008.  Unfortunately the parish registers were not that helpful.   
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Sunday 10 April 11 18:55 BST (UK)
My grandmother is Annie Colsh daughter of Thomas and Catherine Colsh, of Puttaghan referred to in 1901 census. She was 13 then and left for Scotland shortly after her mother and father died around 1902. Can't find her two brothers William and Patrick in the 1911 census nor Mary Kate Gavin her cousin who was staying with the family in 1901. Does any one know where they went?
 
Also whether as seems likely the Colshes Of Cloncun, Cappincar are of same family; that's Patrick and Kate (brother and sister) and Margaret with her two sons, Thomas and Joseph and daughter Mary Anne, since they only other Colshes in 1901 and live close by. By 1911 Margaret and sons were living in the house previously occupied by Patrick and Kate. By that time their names had changed to Colch. There were no sign of any other Colshes in the County in 1911.

Trying to trace Colsh or Colch relatives. Will be over in Tullamore in May/June for my mothers 90th.
Hope someone can help since I've run into a dead end.
 
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: louislou225 on Tuesday 12 April 11 03:17 BST (UK)
There were two Colch's living at Cloncon in the early-mid 1800s.  They were living on land that adjoined so it is presumed that sometime in the recent past they were the same family.  The Parish records do not exist that prove they were related.   I have spoken with a local historian and have been shown where the houses of the two different families were located.  The were both pulled down in the mid 1900s and new houses are now on the sites.  The house Mary Anne lived in until her death in the 1950s is the house of my ancestors Thomas Colsh and his first wife Mary Shearin.  A local historian showed me Mary Anne's unmarked grave in Killeigh and also told me that of the other house occupied by Colch's at Cloncon the family disappeared about the turn of the century - early 1900s.  It is possible they emigrated - some from Tullamore went to the America's - maybe they did as well.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: louislou225 on Tuesday 12 April 11 03:21 BST (UK)
There was a William Colch who was a pilot in the US military in WWII who flew in the Pacific theatre of war.  I do not believe he is any relation to myself although there is a William Colch's thought to be in my direct line back around 1800.  Louis
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Thursday 14 April 11 19:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Louis,

Does your research indicate that the Mary Anne, who you refer to as your relative, is the daughter of Margaret and sister of Joseph and Thomas who lived in Cloncon in 1901. They lived a adjacent to Patrick and Kate. I assume that Margaret and Patrick were brother and sister
I was hoping that this family was related to the Colshes at Puttaghan whose name was also spelt with an 's'. These two families were the only Colshes referred to in the 1901 Census.
My great grand father Thomas Colsh lived in Puttaghan not far from Cloncon, so I understand, and he was around the same age as Margaret and Patrick.  Do you know whether they had a brother Thomas. He died on 1902 aged around 71.
After his wife Catherine's death, shortly after, the family left Ireland, my Grandmother to Scotland and William and Patrick elsewhere. In 1901 William was 25 so is unlikely to be the same William you refer to as a pilot in US.
Do you know if there are easily accessible emigration records available?


Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: louislou225 on Friday 15 April 11 03:39 BST (UK)
Margaret was the second wife of a Tom Colsh.  The Colsh surname in various records is spelt Colch, Colsh and Coulch - in Ireland and in Queensland, Australia.  The children of Tom and Margaret were Tom Jnr, James and John twins who died as babes, Joseph and Mary Anne.  THe children all died intestate.  Only Mary Ann married and her husband deserted her.
I do know that Mary Ann Colsh dau of another Tom Colsh (the one who married Catherine Gavan) emigrated to the USA and died at Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio.  She was married to a John Colsh too.  I do not know who this John Colsh is - perhaps he was a cousin.  In the Griffiths valuation at townland of Gloncon (Cloncon) a Tom Coulch and John Coulch leased land from Tom Jackson.  Tom is my ancestor & I think that Patrick is a descendant of John.  It is likely Tom and John were either brothers or 1st cousins.  Everyone thinks they were related but how close who knows.  I paid for the Tullamore History Place to do a Colch name search and it didn't reveal much I didn't already know but at least I know there isn't anything else.  I also spent about 20 hours reading the Killeigh RC church registers in Dublin.  Lorraine
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: louislou225 on Friday 15 April 11 03:47 BST (UK)
Margaret is the second wife of my ancestor.  Mary Ann is the half sister of my great-great-grandmother.
The death you refer to is quite possibly of Tom Colsh who married Catherine Gavin.  THe age fits.  I have always thought that this Tom Colsh is related to mine.  He might be a cousin.   I think my Tom Colsh had quite a few relatives.  He was a bit unusual in that he had children quite late in his life  I think there was about 35 years between my great-great-grandmother's birth and the birth of her half sister Mary Anne in 1867.   Louis.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Friday 15 April 11 19:01 BST (UK)
Hi Lorraine,
Looks like the Mary Anne's are not connected, but thanks for detailing your knowledge of the Colch family. You seem to have spent a substantial amount of time researching. Your helpful advice will save us a lot of time but seems likely that we will run into a dead end like yourself.

You make an interesting point referring to Thomas Colsh who married Catherine Gavan, also the names of my great grand father/mother. Their only daughter was Annie, my grand mother. There was a Mary Kate staying with them in 1901. She was the niece of Margaret.  Margaret and Thomas probably married between 1870 and 1876
Seems a coincidence but looks like there are two families with heads Thomas and Catherine Gavin.

As I said earlier, I am due to spend week in Tullamore end of May with my mother and sister. Would be helpful if you could provide a contact reference for the local historian you previously mentioned.

Hope you can help.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Friday 15 April 11 19:16 BST (UK)
Hi Lorraine,
Just read your second message. Sorry, I was hoping that Mary Anne, your relative, was the niece of Thomas Colsh who married Catherine Gavan. From what you have said this doesn't appear to be the case. But likely to be more indirectly related.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 15 April 11 20:43 BST (UK)
A possible Colsh/Colch marriage from the BMD index :

 Name: Thomas Colsh
 Registration district: Tullamore
 Event type: Marriage
 Year: 1865
 Volume : 8 / Page : 543

 Name: Catherine Gavin
 [same references as Thomas]

There is a marriage of a Thomas Colch in 1871 in the same area, but have not found a cross match for that..


Shane
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 15 April 11 20:56 BST (UK)
here's a possible for the 1871 marriage :

 Name: Thomas Colch
 Registration district:   Tullamore
 Event type: Marriage
 Year: 1871
 Volume : 13 / Page: 527

 Name:   Anne Tyrrell
 [same references as Thomas]


Shane
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 15 April 11 21:10 BST (UK)
Based on extracted births of children there are three couples with a Thomas Colsh in the Tullamore area at the time. One of the Thomas's couple may have have remarried.

Here are the children I found for the three couples :

Couple 1 (possible 1st marriage of Thomas-a)

  Joseph Colsh / 20 Jun 1864 / Tullamore, Kings Co. / Ref 745
  Mary Anne Colsh / 21 Aug 1867 / King's Co.
   Parents: Thomas Colsh & Margaret Brady

Couple 2 (possible 2nd marriage for Thomas-a)

  John Colsh / 11 Aug 1872 / Tullamore, Kings Co. / Ref 706
    Parents : Thomas Colsh & Anne Tyrrell

Couple 3 (marriage for Thomas-b)

  Thomas Colsh / 01 May 1867 /King's Co.
  Margaret Colsh / 16 Apr 1870 / King's Co.
  William Colsh / 29 May 1872 / Tullamore, Kings Co.
  Catherine Colsh / 03 Sep 1875 / Kings  Co.
  Patrick Joseph Colsh / 20 Sep 1880 / Tullamore
    Parents : Thomas Colsh & Catherine Gavin/Gaven/Gavan


Shane
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Saturday 16 April 11 13:08 BST (UK)
Hi Shane,

Many thanks for your help.
My family connection is with the Thomas Colsh who married Catherine Gavan in 1965. Since I am just starting to research my Irish side I have been using largely Census 1901 and 1911 information and assumption. Only William and Patrick, as well as my grandmother Annie, were referred to in 1901. Their ages led me to believe T & C were married later. Also great to know of the births of Thomas and Margaret before William, also Catherine after him. My grandmother Annie was born 1888/9.
I was hoping to identify brothers and/or sisters of Thomas, the father, as well as his mother and father.
Another approach indentified by your data is to find where Catherine and Margaret went or who they married.

Early/mid 19th c BDM information is essential if I am to progress. Is it easily available and where can it be accessed? Hope you can help.

Thanks to all for bearing with me as a novice at this intriguing game. John





Where can I access BDM information
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: shanew147 on Saturday 16 April 11 13:15 BST (UK)
All the details came from the familysearch website - this incudes several different useful Irish collections :

1. Irish BMD Index - which allows you to search for the references needed to order full certs from the GRO.

2. Extracted birth, marriage and death collections. These include more details than the index , but not as much information as a full cert. These include many (but not all) records from the start of civil registration, up to about 1880.

see this topic for links : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)

To identify siblings of Thomas you would need to start with his marriage to establish his father's name and occupation (details needed to order a cert mentioned in reply #18). Once you have this you could try to search for his baptism (since it will be before the start of civil registration), and once you have both parents follow up by searching for any siblings.

You could also try searching for other Colch/Colsh marriages in the area to see if any have the same details for the father... in which case you have a sibling.


Shane
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Tuesday 26 April 11 01:02 BST (UK)
hi my name is emma martin from tullamore offaly,my relatives are colshs.my grandmother was kitty colsh(kate),my grandfather was john martin.my grand uncle was mick(micksy)colsh and christy colsh,my great grandmother was known as nana colsh,i now live and own the house where they grew up,there were two colsh families living side by side and still do to this day.they're alot of colshs in tullamore,maryanne,annie,kathleen,micheal,the list goes on.the stones/colsh the martins/colsh.hope it helps
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Tuesday 26 April 11 01:12 BST (UK)
nana died a few years back she was 97,got to meet her but not my grandmother.nana was born in around 1897 or close and think there was mention of tyrell,will have to look into it.my grandmother died when my dad was young(kitty) and my grandfather remarried(marykate)who is still alive.my dad would not leave the colsh house which he grew up in so my nana raised him(his granny)i love this house because it was where my father was raised and my grandparents and great grand parents lived,lots of stories.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Tuesday 26 April 11 01:19 BST (UK)
there is a mention of puttaghaun we live in callary street on the puttaghaun road.my mothers sister (by word of mouth)emigrated to america,i've searched for her with no luck.found photos of her in the house when i moved in,she was so pretty.her name was annie colsh.people said she married an italian.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: JMallinson on Wednesday 27 April 11 18:07 BST (UK)
Hi Emmie,
Looks like your family are related to the Thomas Colsh who married Anne Tyrell and then Margaret Brady and lived in Cloncon. I was hoping that there was a link to Thomas Colsh who married Catherine Gavan (Gavin) and lived in Puttaghan. He was my great grand father. I think that louislou 225 is probably right - the Thomases could be cousins, both marrying within 5 years of each other. Crucially, to verify that link I need to find out the names of the siblings of Thomas and/or of William, his father. Uptil now I have been unsuccessful.
Thomas and Catherine were marred in 1865 and  had 7 children, Thomas, Margaret, William, Catherine, Patrick, Elizabeth and Annie, my grandmother. She moved to Scotland in 1902/3 after my great grandfather Thomas's death in 1902. Thomas, my great grandfather was born around 1832 in Tullamore.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Wednesday 27 April 11 22:25 BST (UK)
i don't remember cloncon being mentioned down through the years in our family,but i'll look into it,our family have lived on the puttaghan road for a long time.my dads cousin lives next door and she is a colsh so will chat her and see what i can get for you. :)will you be coming to tullamore
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Wednesday 27 April 11 22:32 BST (UK)
her grandfather was micheal,his brothers were james and william she is looking into any other siblings
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: AnnetteC on Thursday 28 April 11 12:12 BST (UK)
Hello Emmie . I am John Mallinson's sister. We are hoping to visit Tullamore early June and plan to visit the library there to find out as much as we can about our Grandmother's family - grandmother was Annie Colsh born 1888/89 to Thomas and Catherine nee Gavin. We know Annie had a sister Elizabeth born either 1882 or 1887(conflicting records ) Elizabeth married a Samuel Montgomery  in Glasgow in 1903 - Samuel was also from Ireland. Annie  had  brothers William and Patrick who appear on the 1901 Census of Ireland and a niece Mary Kate Gavan then 4 years old was recorded as part of that family. Annie, Elizabeth and William all appear on the 1911 Census of Scotland. Does this information help at all ?
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 28 April 11 17:24 BST (UK)
there are some notes on the Offaly Library website about the type of details their libraries hold :

  Local Studies And Archive Service (http://www.offaly.ie/eng/Services/Libraries/Local_Studies_And_Archive_Service/Local%20Studies%20and%20Archive%20Service.html)




Shane
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: lcbel on Thursday 05 May 11 21:12 BST (UK)
There was a William Colch who was a pilot in the US military in WWII who flew in the Pacific theatre of war.  I do not believe he is any relation to myself although there is a William Colch's thought to be in my direct line back around 1800.  Louis

This is very likely my father William Colsh (b 1925 Maplewood NJ; died 1984 Easton MD)
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Jack2227 on Monday 09 May 11 15:05 BST (UK)
In Clonminch cemetery.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Jack2227 on Monday 09 May 11 15:07 BST (UK)
Clonminch cemetery.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Jack2227 on Monday 09 May 11 15:09 BST (UK)
Clonminch cemetery Tullamore.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: EMMIEMARTIN on Monday 09 May 11 22:39 BST (UK)
these are my relations
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: moodlum on Sunday 12 June 11 14:50 BST (UK)
Hi Emma my auntie Annie colsh was  my mums younger sister. I too have tried to find auntie Annie, who was beautiful.  She went to America by ship in the early 1950s.  She did marry an Italian, but I can't remember his name.  She lived In New jersey. I last saw her in bout 1965.  I heard Annie was treated, for breast cancer.  My uncle mixey was a legend.  He stayed with us in England when we were kids. as did johnnie Martin, but not for long as he missed his family. My nan was babbie colsh. Hope you find out about Annie
Maureen
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: moodlum on Tuesday 03 January 12 14:01 GMT (UK)
Hi again Emma
Our auntie Annie emigrated to USA.  She sailed from Southamton on the Queen Mary on  30th June 1958.  Her date of birth *. Her occupation is listed as domestic.  *


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Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Raerae on Monday 12 November 12 03:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Arana
I have just started researching the Coulch (Colch) side of my family tree and came across a post from you a while back.  My Great Great Grandparents where George Coulch & Ellen Fallen.  They had my Great Grandmother Mary Ellen Coulch around 1879.  She married George Henry Price on the 15th Feb 1898 and they emigrated to NZ around 1904.  They are both buried in the Otorohanga Cemetery.  Are you able to help me with information about when George Coulch & Ellen Fallen came to Australia and their lives in Ireland?  Many Thanks.
Title: Re: Colch ex Tullamore
Post by: Natcolch on Tuesday 19 September 23 14:42 BST (UK)
Hello,
I’m Nathaniel Noel Colch son of Michael and Christine Margaret  born in Australia, my brother is Dominic Michael Colch and my  sister is Chloe. My dad is the son of Noel Colch and Valerie Colch.