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James Francis Gordon Shirrefs (or Shirrefs Gordon) was my husbands great, great grandfather.
My husbands great grandfather was James's son John Lumsden Gordon Shirrefs, (married to Elsie Spring and previously married to Elizabeth Cree)
If anyone can help with any information regarding John Lumsden Gordon Shirrefs, it would be most helpful.
Thanks a lot,
Jean Gordon
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Hi Jean
Not finding anything in Rhynie for Shirrefs but there are several listed in Scotland;s People in Aberdeen area. Howver can confirm there is no marriage for James Shirrefs to either Elsie Spring or Elizabeth Cree pre 1855
Without any dates is difficult to find out more.
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thank you for your reply.
The date of John Lumsden Gordon Shirrefs marriage to Elsie Spring was April 1897 in the district of Marleybone.
The address given was Knowsie House, Aberdeenshire
They had a son Ian Lional Victor Lumsden Gordon Shirrefs in 1901 in Hastings, this is our relative.
They also had a son James (Francis? ) born approx. 1898, this is the relative I cannot find any information on, he may have died in infancy, all I have is a birth certificate.
If you could help it would be appreciated.
Jean
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Hi Jean
Unfortunately births after 1906 are not available on line via Scotland's People. However you can email the General Registrar for Scotland who will be able to provide the details for you. The records at GROS go up to 2006.
Cheers
Ann
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Hi Ann,
I stated the birth date of James date as 1998, this should have read 1898.
Also the Marraige should have read1897
Jean
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Hi jean
Nothing coming up for a death for James that would match a birth year of 1898 +/- 5. There are some in Aberdeenshire on Scotland's People who would have been born later.
To check these you'd need to invest in some credits at Scotland's People and work your way through therm.
In terms of John I have found the following at SP which I believe to be his first marriage to Elizabeth Cree.
1892 SHIRREFS-GORDON JOHN LUMSDEN CREE ELIZABETH TAYLO DENNISTOUN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/03 0396
There is no marriage of course on SP for Elsie because it took place in London (Tho I did check just in case)
then there is Elizabeth's death cert 1934 SHIRREFS ELIZABETH T CREE F 68 SCOTSTOUN AND YOKER GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/23 0024
Hope this is helpful
Ann
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To Ann Baker / Jean Gordon
Re: Gordon's of Craig
My great grandparents were - John Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs (formerly John Lumsden Shirrefs Gordon) & Elizabeth Taylor Cree. Also, Jean Gordon's husbands g.g.g. grandfather was Lt.-Col. Alexander Shirrefs - the (1st) Lumsden Shirrefs family, prior to 1870, were cousins rather than ancestors.
Finally, I may have a photograph of Ian Lionel Victor Lumsden Gordon Shirrefs (c.1919) or perhaps his brother, James Francis Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs.
Have limited access to Email & the internet. Regards BrianJohn.
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To: old rowley / Jim.S / Ann Baker / Jean Gordon
The descendants of David Shirras/Shirreff (etc) & Jean Lunan, from about 1780 onwards, settled on the following spelling of their surname Shirrefs despite determined efforts by session clerks and others to alter it !
There are three 'Shirrefs' gravestones in St. Nicholas churchyard - descendants of David Shirrefs & Jean Lunan inc. spouses, unfortunately, this information does not appear in A. Strath Maxwell's MI book or A&NEFHS's online MI Index.
Hope this information sheds a little light on the Shirrefs family. BrianJohn
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To BrianJohn
Could you please let me know the names of the three 'Shirref's
gravestones in St Nicholas churchyard, I'm looking for famliy buried
in there somewere.
Kind Regards
Jim.S
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Jean,
I have James Francis Gordon (Shirrefs) as the younger brother of my descendant.
A family member gave me a handwritten tree which has James Francis Gordon Shirrefs (14th of Craig) marrying Barbara Shirrefs Smith (possibly also a cousin as there was a lot of it). There is one child of this marriage on the tree - Gordon Shirrefs (1862-1916) who marries Elizabeth Cree (1870-1934), but the tree extends no further beyond this.
There is a pdf file on the web about the Gordons and the title at http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_064/64_096_111.pdf
regards,
an Australian Shirrefs
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Hi Brian John,
Do you have any further information of John Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs, I think he had 3 sons to Elizabeth Cree.
He married Elsie Spring in 1897 and had James & Ian, although we have a birth certificate for James born in Aberdeen 1898, we have no other record at all, he may have died as an infant, we are unsure.
We also have John Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs as an officer in the 16th lancers, again we cannot find anything to confirm this, his surname quite possibly could be Gordon during his time with the military.
Can you help with any of this.
rgds,
Jean Gordon
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Jean,
John Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs b.1862 d. 1916
m. 1. Elizabeth Taylor Cree (b. abt. 1867) m. 1892 at Dennistoun, Glasgow
(i) John Francis Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs b. 24/1/1895 Hillshed, Glasgow - Engineer
m.Mary Kate Murray 1920 Dunfermline, Fife Scotland - fruiterers asst
Divorced Elizabeth
m.2. Elsie Spring b.1874 at London
(i) James Francis Gordon b. 1897
(ii) Lionel Victor Lumsden Gordon b. 1901 Hastings East Sussex d.? Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England - Doctor of Medicine
m. Annie Burchall. b abt 1901 Tipton West Midlands
(1) Alistair Lumsden Gordon b.abt 1933 Merchant Navy
m. Chrystal Nash b. 1935
(2) Ian Lionel Gordon. b. 11/4/1937 Army
m. Jean Goodfellow b. 12/1/1947
(i) Jennifer Lumsden Gordon b. 1960
I hope this helps.
Another Australian Shirrefs
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My grandfather was William Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs. He was a son of John Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs and Elizabeth Taylor Cree. His older brother was John Francis Gordon Lumsden Shirrefs. John and Elizabeth divorced on 24 March 1896. John died on 6 April 1919 and Elizabeth on 12 Jan 1934. I have documents showing this information that I will try to upload.
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Births
1893 Douglas Gordon Shirrefs, Glasgow St Rollox/Lonmay mother Cree
1895 John Francis Gordon Shirrefs, Glasgow Partick
1896 William Gordon Shirrefs, Glasgow St Rollox
1898 James F G Lumsden Shirrefs, Lonmay/Aberdeen St Machar mother Spring
1901 Ian Lionel V L G Shirrefs, Hastings
Deaths
1919 John G Lumsden Shirrefs, 50, Paisley
1934 Elizabeth Taylor Cree or Shirrefs, Scotstoun and Yoker
1949 Mary Kate Shirrefs, 59, Old Monkland
1971 William Gordon Shirrefs, 74, Glasgow
1911 census index, Glasgow Dennistoun
Douglas G L Shirrefs, 17
William G L Shirrefs, 14
1921 census index, Glasgow Anderston
Elizabeth I Shirrefs, 56
Mary K Shirrefs, 28 (so DoB 1892/3)
John G Shirrefs, 26 (so DoB 1894/5)
William Shirrefs, 24 (so DoB 1896/97)
Divorced Elizabeth
Actually divorced by Elizabeth.
Plenty of newspaper reports about the divorce in 1896. His address was given as Knowsie, Lonmay. She petitioned on grounds of adultery, and was granted custody of the two children (only two? There were apparently three with her in 1921)
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In Lonmay kirkyard:
Erected to the memory of George Lumsden Shirrefs of Blairmormond d. 25 Apr. 1830 aged 81 and Margaret Smith his spouse d. 28 Oct. 1839 aged 77. Also Isabella their eldest dau. d. 24 Dec. 1842 aged 47; John their eldest son d. 11 May 1852 aged 57. Alexander their 2nd son d. 9 Dec. 1853 aged 56. Also Shirrie L. Shirrefs their youngest dau. d. 16 Feb. 1870 aged 72.
Buchan Observer 25-2-1870:
LONMAY. - We regret to have to report
the death of Miss Shirrefs Lumsden Shirrefs, youngest
daughter of the late George Barclay Lumsden Shirrefs,
Esq., of Knowsie, which took place on Wednesday
16th inst. The deceased lady was 72 years of age, and
the last of the family, who have all died unmarried. The
estate now passes into the hands of Mrs Shirrefs Gordon
of Craig, a lady of amiable character, and much respected
by the tenantry and surrounding neighbourhood.
Amongst the legacies left by the late Miss Lumsden, are
Francis Edmond, Esq., £1000, his two sons, £100 each;
the two eldest Misses Gordon of Craig, £1000 each;
Mr Barclay, Aberdeen, £200; his brother, £200; his
three sisters, £200 each; and his aunt, £200; legacies
to the Royal Infirmary, Blind Asylum, and Sick Man's
Fund, to the Misses Boyds late of Crimond, Miss Laing
of Haddo, Blairmormond School, £100; Miss Lumsden's
overseer, £60; her housemaid, £50; to the poor of
Lonmay, £50; the poor of
Rathen, £50.