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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Charlieralph on Friday 03 December 04 13:58 GMT (UK)
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The Ralph and Ralphs family tree and its descendants are growing in the Midlands area.
If you would like to join the search or need any help on research into this family name, feel free to post a reply and we will see what we can do to help.
Charlie
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Hi Charlie
I have a Priscilla Ralphs who was born on an aquaduct at Brewood Staffs(she was the daughter of a bargee).
If this is of interest to you send me a PM with your email address and I will send you what i have.
Regards
Roger
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At present we have one Ralph family connected with the canal system at Tipton, we will be pleased to add more
and check them out for connections with other lines.
Charlie
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I don't know if this will be of any use. Until the late 1960s/early 1970s my father worked as a patternmaker for :
W. G. Ralphs & Son (WEednesfield) Ltd.,
Metal and Wood Pattern Makers
Keller Models and Exposy Resin Patterns
Wolverhampton Road, Wednesfield
The workshop was situated adjacent to the canal running into Wolverhampton.
Best Wishes
David
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David,
Thanks for the information,with the company being 1960/70 we have no information on any W G Raphs descendant's from this period.The data base is based around 1750/ 1900 Wolverhampton / Birmingham.
But thanks anyway
Charlie
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I'll ask my father if he knows anything about the origins of the company.
Best Wishes
David
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I've tried to stir my father's memory and this is what I've come up with so far/ he will try to chat with some of his ex-patternmaker friends to see what they recall.
When the company was sold it was being run by Arthur Ralphs, one of the '& sons'
the business had been founded by William Ralphs, known to all as Billy.
According to my father, Billy was in his 80s when he died, we think around 1965??, having lived in Wednesfield. This would put him being born around 1885 ??
Again, according to my father, he was a patternmaker pretty much all of his life.
Hope this may be of help in some way.
Best Wishes
David
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If its the William Ralphs I think It may be, his Roots will be from Salop. This is the oldest record Ralphs line in the area, going back into the 1600s
Charlie
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My father's memory is vague on dates & exact details but a couple of more snippets of information have come to him and he has phoned me with them.
Billy Ralphs lived in terraced housing in Wednesfield - my father may know someone who can recall where.
He also outlived his wife - again my father believes by some years.
I'll see what I can get out of him.
Best Wishes
david
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I,ve just checked on the 1901 census - there is a William G Ralphs, aged 26(!!), listed as son of George and Sarah Ralphs, living at 5 New Bridge Street.
My memory of Wolverhampton is also fading. Where is New Bridge Street?
The interesting thing though is that he is listed as being a pattern maker. Can there be more than one William G Ralphs whowasa pettern maker?
Hope this is helpful
David
P.S. If you come across anything about James Foley, born West Bromwich 1885, or his elder sister Josephine, born 1883 I'd be very grateful
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I also have a William Ralph ( known as billy) somewhere in my tree. I was told he was a cousin of the Halls from Tipton. My mother only knew him as a cousin of her grandfather and thought he was a Scrap dealer? Can anyone see a conection, he may also be from Sheffield or Lancashire... Its so confusing :-\ bye for now Mike
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The William G Ralphs son of George and Sarah was born in Birkenhead. George was born in Stafford and the son of William Ralphs born 1827, a bargee hence moved about a bit.
I would need more detail on the other William (scrap dealer) to make any connection, Iwill check data base for any Ralph / Hall marriage. Any idea of time period we talking about?
Don't forget we have two different family names here Ralph and Ralphs
Charlie
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Hi, I just found out from a Manchester site that my william Ralph had a metal recycling work on Ashton New Road or Rhodes street Manchester, maybe the corner. Aparrently they had shire horses to pull the carts. there is also an E. Ralph, definately Ralph, witness at wedding of my great granparents, Timothy Hall to Elizebeth Bradshaw in 1903, Manchester. The other witness is R. Davis< i dont know who this is either. Sorry I cant be more specific as yet.
Thanks Mike :-[
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Hi Mike,
All my information based on Ralphs are in the Staffordshire area so Iam unable to help on Manchester unless they came from Stafford?
Anyway,I think you will find Timothy married Liz Bradshaw Dec 1902/ Cholton/8c page 1437
Offspring first born Timothy Hall 1903
Could this be Timothy 1901 census Bradford Manchester?
Jabez Hall age 56 born Tipton Staff Greengrocer
Selina Hall age 54 born Menywood Worcester
Timothy age 18 born Manchester Greengrocer
James age 16 born Manchester Butcher
Walter age 13 born Manchester Errand boy
Hope it helps
Charlie
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Thanks Charlie, and yes that is my family.I did get date mixed up. Timothy is my great granfather. Do you notice though that Jabez ,his father, is from Staffordshire. I thought thats where the connection to the Ralphs may have came in. I dont know for sure though, I will have to do more research. I will let you all know the outcome.By the way Jabez,s father was from Sedgely, Staffordshire his name was William.
Thanks Michael :D
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How far back have you got with Jabez?
Have you pick up the Wedding of Selina Bradley and Jabez Hall 1867 West Brom Vol 66 Page 835, if not it may be worth getting the cert.
William Ralph, my family moved to the Wigan area in the 1880s from Staffordshire. Bilston and William is a common family name, all are involved with the iron foundry's so this may well be worth a follow up if you think they are from Staffordshire. I have checked the data base and no Hall/ Ralph marriages are listed (as yet!).
If your mother knew him as a cousin of her grandfather
what sort of date would that put on him or is this Jabez 1845?
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Mike,
May have found William Ralph (scrap dealer)
William Ralph married Elizabeth Hall 1901 Cholton Manchester Vol 8c Page 949
Without getting Marriage cert this still does not take us back to Staffordshire but Ihope it helps in your search
Charlie
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Hi again, thanks heaps for that info on marriage. I am still hoping to find a connection with your line. I do have certificate for Jabez and Selina Thanks. I also have census copy for 1851;
William Hall head 44 iron millman Sedgeley
Jane Hall wife 41 BILSTON
James son 15 Tipton
William son 13 Tipton
JABEZ son 7 Tipton
Thomas son 5 Tipton
Timothy son 3 Tipton
It maybe coincidence but it seems we are searching around the same area. I havent looked up Jane and Williams marriage yet so have no idea of her maiden name. And so far I have ordered two jabez birth from the right time and both came back negative,one father Richard the other James. I do have one more to try though. I will have to try and rack my mums brains although she was born 1938 so She wont know that much, I will try though. Thanks again for all your help,regards Mike :)
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Just checked St Peters Wolverhampton Church records for a marriage William Hall /Jane and came across only one up to 1838
William John Hall (b) Jane Cork(s) 8th July 1823
Witness William John Hall / Samuel Hancher
This would put William at about 16 years at marriage so possible
Charlie
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Thanks for that info on William. Elizabeth Hall is a later child of Jabez she was 1 on the 1881 census, confusingly they also had a child called Lizzie aged 4 on the 1881 census. Thanks heaps you have been a great help in tracing my Ralph connection. So it seems William Ralph was my Great Granfathers Brother in Law and not his cousin after all. bye for now Mike ;D