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Title: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Sunday 06 May 07 19:15 BST (UK)
Hi

i have found an old photo in a family album of a gravestone but i cant find either person in the census

could anyone help please, as i think they may be linked to my tree


on the stone its says translated

SYDNA JONES
PENBRYN FACTORY
DIED DEC 4TH 1885
AGED 78

ALSO SON WILLIAM B WILLIAMS
GLAN Y DDOL
JAN 17 1894
AGED 30

my family are from caernarvonshire area, I have tried Penbryn Factory in Google but again drawn a blank any help appreciated

thanks Pam
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Sunday 06 May 07 20:37 BST (UK)
Not sure if "Sydna" is male or female?? Female judging by other entries.

Using a birth date of 1807 (1885-78) and assuming they were born in Caernarvonshire  you may have for 1881:

Jane Sidney Jones, head, 74, widow, Clynog, Caer'von.
Sarah Jones, servant , 25, Llandinorwic, Caer'von

Ref: RG11/5570/30/16

Something a bit strange about both birth dates. If Sydna is a woman she would have been 57 when William B was born!
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Sunday 06 May 07 20:59 BST (UK)
Going back to 1851, the only Sydna Jones is aged 34 (1817) unless she's fibbing!!

Ref:HO107/2514/232/1.

Sorry, run out of time for the complete census. Will pick it up later unless someone else does it
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Monday 07 May 07 11:03 BST (UK)
If you look for William B Williams in 1891, the closest is a slate quarryman from Bangor who was born in 1864.

Following him back, you don't come across anyone called "Sydna Jones" who's son he could be.

I'll stop there unless there is more info about this pair.
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 07 May 07 11:43 BST (UK)
thank you for looking Merc

My gr grandmother was called Sydney Williams nee ??  born Llanllyfni in 1873 do you think William B williams is a brother or in law as the dates are about right? and Sydna Jones could be her mother, I thought her mother was called Jane but its not confirmed,

Sydney married a William Williams who was born c 1870 in caernarvon area dont know anything more about him,

not sure if this is enough for you to do anymore with!! heres hoping

thanks Pam
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: wrjones on Monday 07 May 07 11:57 BST (UK)
There is a William B Williams showing on the 1871 Census born in Llanbeblig in 1871,the son of Thomas and Catherine Williams.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Monday 07 May 07 14:05 BST (UK)
Try this:
1881

Benjamin Williams, 39, Quarry Labourer, Treflys
Laura, 38, Clynnwg??
William 18 (1863!) Clynnwg
Jane 17, Clynnwg
Robert, 11, Llanllyfni
Sydney, 5, Llanyllffni

2, Glanyddol (!)  Terrace, Llanyllffni

Ref: RG11/5563/15/4
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Monday 07 May 07 14:10 BST (UK)
Sydney Kate Williams married William Hwfa (??) Williams Q2, 1906, Carnarvon (sic),
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: welsh lady on Monday 07 May 07 14:24 BST (UK)
Heres the parents marriage(Going from 1881 census Merc found it all fits )
Benjamin Williams to Laura Jones in Qtr Sept 1862 vol 11b Page 606 in Caernarvon

Tracing Laura back to 1851 this sheds some light on it
Clynnog,Caernarvonshire
H0107 Piece 2515 Folio 31 Page 12
Sydney Jones,Widow,38,Pauper,Ag Labs Widow,Ca????.Caernarvonshire
Laura Jones,Dau,9,Llanllyfni,Caer
Jane Jones.Dau,7,Llanllyfni,Caer.

So William is buried with his Grandmother.And William is your Gr Grandmothers brother .

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Monday 07 May 07 14:27 BST (UK)


So William is buried with his Grandmother

Welsh Lady

I like that!  ;D
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 07 May 07 20:07 BST (UK)
 :D ;D :)
Wow what can I say but a BIG thank you, one and all!!!

YOU HAVE FOUND THE MISSING LINK

It all makes sense my grandmother was Laura, her mother was Sydney Anne, her mother was Laura and then there was Sydna, all from Llanllyfni area and the missing like with William definately buried with his Grand mother.

I will now send for the certificates and let you know if I get any further

A very happy
Pam
cheers!!!
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Sunday 20 May 07 15:30 BST (UK)
Hi All
Just had the certificates for Laura and Benjamin mariage in the Parish of Llanllyfni

Benjamins father was a William Williams a stonemason
Laura s father was also a stonemason called Peter Jones
they both lived at Bron Y Fach or Foch at time of marriage 2nd sept 1862

So I can now start looking further back, cheers everyone and if you have anymore info that would be welcome.

Pam :D
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Sunday 20 May 07 16:20 BST (UK)
Peter Jones married Sydney Jones Q1 1841 Caernarvon

Ref: vol 27 page 347
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Sunday 20 May 07 21:02 BST (UK)
Thank you Merc

I will send for the certificate and see what that will bring me ;D

Pam
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: welsh lady on Sunday 20 May 07 22:09 BST (UK)
Possible in 1841
Clynnog,Caer
H1017 Piece 1397 Folio 46 Page 5

Owen Jones,50,Mason
Lowry? Jones,50
Elin Jones,30
Peter Jones,20
Sydney Jones,25
William Griffith,5
Owen Griffith,1
All born in County
Remember in 1841 ages are rounded down

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: welsh lady on Sunday 20 May 07 22:14 BST (UK)
Extracted Record off IGI
Peter Jones
Born-29th July 1819
Christ-08th Aug 1819 Salem Calvinistic Methodist Llanllyfni
Father-Owen Jones
Mother-Lowry

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 21 May 07 07:46 BST (UK)
Hi Welsh Lady

Your a Star :)

I wish I had your experience to find this info so fast, it seems to take me ages....

I will add this info on Peter Jones and  his parents/family to my tree and hopefully I can prove its connection, I have sent for more certifcates, so hopeflly I will be getting there.

This is such a fantastic site, all the help you get is brilliant

Can I ask how do I go about getting a copy of the extract please?

Thanks again
Pam
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: welsh lady on Monday 21 May 07 09:42 BST (UK)
Its just ive been doing it longer so know where to look.To get the original entry youd have to write to the Record Office in Caernarvonshire and ask for a photocopy of the entry in Parish Records.I find Genuki a great site for info go onto the Caernarvonshire section.
But although its expensive i always send for a birth cert and marriage cert in Families as this confirms you have the right family.Early on in researching my family tree i followed the wrong family in the census  it was only when i purchased the marriage cert i saw whered id gone wrong.And i know a lot of people have done the same.
Good Luck Let me know when you get Peters marriage cert and if his Father is Owen.
Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: Mike Thw on Monday 21 May 07 10:21 BST (UK)
Extracted Record off IGI
Peter Jones
Born-29th July 1819
Christ-08th Aug 1819 Salem Calvinistic Methodist Llanllyfni
Father-Owen Jones
Mother-Lowry

Welsh Lady

You can also add

Jane Jones (1814)
Ann Jones (1816)
Evan Jones (1824)
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 21 May 07 19:43 BST (UK)
Thanks Welsh Lady for the tips and Merc!

Will try and get a copy of the parish record when I get the marriage cert back which I have sent for

will let you know how i get on

Pam
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 28 May 07 07:49 BST (UK)
Hi All
Just had marriage cert back for Peter Jones and Sydney Jones married 30th March 1841 in the Parish church Clynnog

Peter was living in Pant or Pont and Sydney in Gyrn Goch??where ever that maybe
Peter father was Owen Jones a stonemason- you were right!!

Sydney Father was Griffith Jones a labourer
witnesses were Owen jones and David roberts -could Roberts be mother maiden name?

So again any one who would like to go to the next generation and find their Mother or siblings feel free to help me.. much appreciated.

Pam :)
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: HUGS on Monday 24 January 11 11:23 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I saw an earlier message ref. Tom Hughes (Machno terrace). His brother Hugh was my grandfather and I can confirm your links to Joseph Hughes. Macno terrace was built by THE hUGHES FAMILY and the statue of the virgin Mary in the catholic church in Conwy was made by the elder Hugh Hughes.

Regards,

gareth Hughes
Title: Re: Look up request Sydna JONES
Post by: pampow on Monday 24 January 11 18:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Gareth
It is nice to find another link to the family
I did not know that Machno Terrace or the statue of the Virgin Mary was built by the Hughes family that is so good to know. It is a shame that the Terrace has now gone my taid would have been upset by that.
If you have anymore family or local knowledge I would love to hear from you.
Thanks
Pam