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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: elaine447 on Saturday 05 May 07 13:50 BST (UK)
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Isabella Gallacher born about 1865 to Hugh Gallacher and Isabella Gallacher ms Nelson, County Donegal Strabane ?Ireland
married Patrick Malone in 1885 I found her place of birth on 1901 census
if she was born in Ireland that year were would I find her birth details
I have tried to attach copy but cant get it to work ,however I am quite sure it say's strabane
Elaine
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Sorry
Its because she was married in greenock
yes please move it for me
thank you
Elaine
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Hi
One of my ancestors was called James Gallacher born 1811 in Donegal, married Mary Ann Warrington and moved to Scotland.
His father was called John Gallacher. I think he may have come from a place in Donegal called JordansTown or TorransTown. I have looked on a ma of Donegal and I cannot find any place called this.
Is John Gallacher any relation to your Gallachers ?
Do you know what / where the place in Donegal is ?
Cheers,
Warren
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Hi Warren
I am still struggling to find anything out about my Gallacher line
I'll look through what Info I have see if I can help you
I have a relative who has Gallacher's in his tree too (different line)
I'll see if either side has a John Gallacher fitting your's
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
Ok thanks, All i know is James Gallacher came from Donegal to Scotland and that i've got his father's name, John. James settled in Paisley and my family (I am a Gallacher) have been in Ayrshire ever since his son Daniel moved there. I'm currently in Glasgow though.
I thought it would be nice to find out where James was from originally in Donegal, where his father John lived, and to see if i can learn anything more from there.
Cheers,
Warren
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there is a thread on the renfrewshire board that may help
its my relative who was looking for Info about James Gallacher
do you know James's wife's name
I can maybe look and see if I have anything downloaded for
them
Elaine
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Hi,
James Gallacher's wife name was Mary Ann Warrington (before she got married).
I'll have a look on the renfrewshire noticeboard.
Cheers,
Warren
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Hi
I've seen the post on the renfrewshire noticeboard, and it looks like they are a different set of Gallachers to mine. They could however be related further back in time in Donegal.
Cheers,
Warren
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I have just had a look at that thread
and I dont think they are the same person
on that thread James was married to Kathleen
the name Gallacher is very common in Greenock though
I am going to see what census info I have
do you have any Idea when they came to Scotland
Elaine
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Hi
I think they came over in the 1830s
Cheers,
Warren
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I will dig out the census's I have
I am almost sure there is one for Paisley 1861 that
has a James Gallacher born Ireland
Mary born England
Daniel born Paisley printer compositor
Rebekka born Paisley
I can't rmember the rest off hand
have work in the morning but will sort them as soon as I get home
Elaine
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Hi Warren
the only census results I have for a James Gallacher with spouse Mary are
1861
14 Oakshaw Street Paisley
James ....................50 ...........born Ireland 1811.........Bill Poster
Mary ....................44 ...........born England
Jane ....................23 ...........born
Mary ......................20
Agnes.....................16
Daniel.....................13
Rebekkah...............11
James.....................5
Archibald.................2
Joseph....................4 mths
all children born Paisley
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this is the only one I have with both
wife Mary and son Daniel
there are possibly others but it was a friend who found these for me
Elaine
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Elaine- civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864. If Isabella was born before this date there will be no birth certificate. Also, registration wasn't compulsory until 1870 and often births weren't registered then.
The surname may be spelt differently such as Gallagher, O'Gallager, etc.
Strabane is actually in County Tyrone not Donegal although as it's on the border it's possible the family lived in Co. Donegal but near Strabane and gave the details for the census that way.
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Thanks aghadowey
I have just checked her death cert again
she died in Greenock May 1934 aged 68
so that gives her a birth date of either 1865 or 1866
I will have a look on the IGI see what I can find
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
The census records you've listed above are for my family and set of Gallachers.
I am descended from James Gallacher and his wife Mary, and then from their son Daniel.
James 's father was John Gallacher and came from Donegal.
I've been informed that James came to Scotland in 1826, which i think might be a liitle early but he was in Scotland by 1837.
Are they related to your set of Gallachers in any way ?
Cheers,
Warren
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I dont know anything about my Gallacher's yet :(
except that they were still in Ireland in 1865/66
thats when Isabella was born but you never know (maybe somewhere down the line)
I am glad I kept those census's and was able to help sorry I dont know where in Ireland they came from though I will see if I have anything else relating to this family
if I find out anything about mine I will let you Know
Elaine
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just realised James was born 1855
his birth cert will give his parents place of birth
it can be obtained from Scotlands People
Elaine
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IGI batch numbers
James Gallocher
born 29th July 1855
father James Gallocher
mother Marianne Warrington
Elaine
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Ok thanks Elaine.
James Gallacher came to Scotland as I said in 1826 but John was still in Donegal and presumably the rest of his family if he had any other children, who would have been James's brothers and sisters, would still have been there. Your Gallachers are 30 years after James left for Scotland though.
The thing is though, I think the Gc spelling of Gallacher wasn't very common in Donegal (compared to Gallagher), so there maybe something in that. I think that John's surname was spelt Gc even in Ireland, but maybe it was Gg over there - they do change the spelling quite frequently.
If i find out anything more about Gallachers in Donegal, i'll let you know as well
Cheers,
Warren
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Thanks again Elaine,
I'll look into it and let you know too.
Cheers,
Warren
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Warren would you like me to check the birth in 1855
on sp
Elaine
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Warren I checked that birth for James Gallocher
and I am sure it is your James
if you send me your email address I will send you a copy of the cert
Elaine
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I have just found Hugh Gallacher's death cert as follows
Hugh Gallacher
Locksmith
widower of 1st wife Isabella Gallacher M/S Nelson
2nd wife..................Isabella Gallacher M/S ?
father Hugh Gallacher (deceased) Farmer
mother Mary Gallacher M/S O'Donnell
informant Mary Davidson daughter
Elaine
Added
1st wife should be Isabella Gallacher M/S Gallacher
and Isabella M/S Nelson should be the second wife
according to sp marriage cert for daughter Mary
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Hi Elaine
I've just seen the birth certificate that you sent, thanks a lot for doing this.
I had seen a photocopy of this and that why i thought it said JordansTown or TorrensTown.
Looking again at it does look a bit like Portadown, but theres no Portadown in Donegal and it does definitely say Donegal after as well.
Portadown is in Northern Ireland as well.
Cheers,
Warren
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just glad I could help
if you post the bit were it says his fathers place of birth
maybe someone will be able to make it out
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
Yeah thats a good idea, ill try it out - just have to figure out how to do it
Cheers,
Warren
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There's also a Jordanstown in Northern Ireland near Belfast.
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Thanks aghadowey
the writing is pretty bad on the cert
I'm not sure if I can remember how to cut the piece needed to post it
Elaine
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I have enlarged the Image
and I think it does say Jordanstown
Elaine
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Hi,
I thought it said Jordanstown as well at first.
However, i've had another look at it close up and have compared the letters to the other writing on the page - the page looks like it was completed in the same had
I now think that the first letter is a P and the fourth and eighth letters are a T.
So I think that it now says Porterstown.
There's is a Porterstown in Ireland but I can't seem to find one in Donegal, so i'm still really much in the same situation.
Cheers,
Warren
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Hi Elaine
Would you know how to paste James Gallacher's address from Donegal onto a posting here ?
Thanks,
Warren
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I have done it before so I think I probably
could
would you like me to try
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
If you could yeah that be great
I was thinking if its not too much trouble, if you could post it in here, (the GALLACHER posting)
and also create a new one and call it something like
Porterstown, Jordanstown, Torrenstown in Donegal - Does anyone know of these ?
or something like that
Thanks a lot,
Cheers,
Warren
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this is the piece that gives fathers place of birth
can anyone tell us where abouts this is in Donegal
Elaine
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Looks like Porterstown but there no townland in Donegal with that name that I can find. There are 5 Porterstowns in Ireland in other counties.
See www.thecore.com/seanruad to search for townlands in Ireland. Be sure to change default setting from exact match. I searched for townlands in Co. Donegal ending in 'town' with nothing coming close and then townlands in all Ireland ending in 'terstown.'
Other possibility is that the place is Porterstown in Co. Donegal but that it's the local name for an ear rather than a townland name.
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Hi, thanks again for the info aghadowey and elaine 447,
I've got information that the town is in Inishowen but i still don't know what its called or exactly where it is.
Any help ?
Cheers,
Warren
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I'VE A GG AUNT MARGARET/MAGGIE MCHUGH/MCCUE - B C 1840'S TO PATRICK & HANNAH MCHUGH/MCCUE (MS MCFADDEN) T/LAND OF DRUMNARAW - CLONDAHORKY PARISH.
MARGARET MARRIED HUGH GALLAGHER C 1868 - SON OF CHARLES GALLAGHER - MOTHER
UNKNOWN,IN ONE OF THE SURROUNDING TOWNLANDS - COULD BE DRUMNACARRY (WILL HAVE TO CHECK IT OUT)
HUGH AND MAGGIE'S 1ST CHILD WAS NAMED ROSE GALLAGHER B 18 NOV.1869 DRUMNARAW.
BY 1870 THE FAMILY WHERE IN ALLEGHENY - PA. USA. I'M ASSUMING HUGH GALLAGHER'S MOTHER WAS
ROSE?
I'VE LINKS TO MCCLAFFERTY/GILLESPIE/FERRY/O'DONNELL - DRUMNARAW - MCHUGH/MCCUE DRUMNAKILLEW,O'DONNELL'S DRUMNACARRY - ALSO BAXTER AND DOOHAN & TREARTY.
MY G G/FATHER WAS PATRICK MCHUGH/MCCUE B C 1854/5 - DRUMNARAW - MARRIED
SARAH BOYLE 1874 - ST.COLUMBA'S RC. TERMON - NR LETTERKENNY, KILMACRENAN PARISH
- THEREAFTER TO GLASGOW SCOTLAND.
OTHER DONEGAL NAMES:
BOYLE - BELLANASCADDAN - NR LETTERKENNY
MCFADDEN - CHURCHILL AREA.
MCELHINNEY + VAR. DONEGAL
MCFADDEN - CLONDAHORKY PARISH
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Hi portygilr
I dont know where in Ireland the McHugh's in my family come from but
we do seem to have a lot of names in common
according to some of the certs I have my McHugh's name was sometimes spelt
McQue
I will pm you with my email address
we could see if they fit in somehow
Elaine
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Hi Elaine, We have corresponded before.. re McFadden's..
I'm in Edinburgh.
Have only recently uncovered my GG Aunt Margaret McHugh's
marriage to Hugh Gallagher (son of Charles & Rose Gallagher) - ms unknown) Hugh and Margaret (better known as Maggie)
had a daughter b in Drumnaraw 18 Nov.1869 Child's name was
Rose - by 1870 the family where in Allegheny - PA.
Regards
Anne
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Elaine
I recently received an identical enquiry about deciphering "Porterstown, Co Donegal".
I concluded that as there are extremely few townland-names in Co Donegal ending in -town, this was probably a mishearing by the Scottish registrar. I suggested that possibly one should consider that Portnason was intended.
Portnason is on the southern shore of the Erne estuary, just W of Ballyshannon.
Adrian
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thanks Adrian
I am hopeless when it comes to Irish places
I will have a look
Elaine
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Hi, back after a long time away, and looking through this again
aghadowey, you wrote on this post the place might be Porterstown in Co. Donegal but that it's the local name for an ear rather than a townland name.
What do you mean by an ear ?
Thanks, Warren
Looks like Porterstown but there no townland in Donegal with that name that I can find. There are 5 Porterstowns in Ireland in other counties.
See www.thecore.com/seanruad to search for townlands in Ireland. Be sure to change default setting from exact match. I searched for townlands in Co. Donegal ending in 'town' with nothing coming close and then townlands in all Ireland ending in 'terstown.'
Other possibility is that the place is Porterstown in Co. Donegal but that it's the local name for an ear rather than a townland name.