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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Channel Islands Lookup Requests => Topic started by: SimoneLe on Thursday 03 May 07 11:49 BST (UK)
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Hi. I'm deperate for ANY information on any Le Patourel's most from Guernsey.
But especially of a James Alfred Le Patourel b/a 1920 d 11/3/1979 married Edith May Duport and of James father Joseph Eli Le Patourel (illegitimate) b/a 1/2/1894 married Isabel Alexander Florence May Le Gallez 1918, Joseph's mother is Harriet Rachel Le Patourel b/a 25/02/1876 (we seem to think that HER father was the father of her child Joseph) Harriet married john Edward Help later.
Sorry for so long a post but i hope someone can help as i'm stuck in the corner.
Thanks Simone
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Hi,
Are you looking for census information or post 1901 info? I can look for them on 1841 to 1901 censuses if you dont have these.
Regards
Catherine :)
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Hi Simone,
Thanks for the pm, you dont need to worry about "bothering" us, we're all happy to help, and if I get stuck looking for your family on the censuses, I'm sure there'll be plenty of rootschatters ready to join in the hunt! :)
You say you have 1841 census? So I'll see what I can find on 1851 - 1901. Heres the 1901 for starters, (transcribed "Le Patowiel")-
RG13/5320 Folio 53 Page 10
48 Glatney Esplanade, St Peter Port, Guernsey
John Le Patourel 65 Ship Labourer Dock Guernsey Castel? Parish
Elizabeth Hamonds? wife 63 Charwoman Sark
Selina Le Patourel 22 Guernsey St Johns Parish
Leonore 20 20 Guernsey St Johns Parish
Joseph E 7 grandson Guernsey St Johns Parish
Emily E granddau 2mo Guernsey St Johns Parish
Regards
Catherine :)
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1891 Transcribed as "Lepatovrel"
RG12/4701 Folio 60 Page 9
48 Glatney, St Peter Port, Guernsey
John Le Patourel 53 Labourer Castel
B Le Patourel wife 52 Sark
A Le Patourel dau 19
J Le Patourel son 17
H Le Patourel dau 15
S Le Patourel dau 13 School
L Le Patourel dau 11
All children born St Peter Port
Regards
Catherine
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1881 Transcribed as "Paletrel"
RG11/5624 Folio 82 Page 15
Glatney Esplanade, St Peter Port
John Le "Paletrel" 41 General Labourer Guernsey Castel
Elizabeth 40 Sark
Joseph 17 Stone Cracker
John 11 Scholar
Alice 9 Scholar
Harriett 5 Scholar
Secelia 3 Scholar
Maria 6mo
All children born St Peter Port
Will look for earlier censuses now
Catherine :)
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"Le Patourel" on 1871 census -
RG10/5765 Folio 144 Page 10
Ramee? Road, St Peter Port, Guernsey
John Le Patourel 30 Farm Labourer Castel Guernsey
Elizabeth 30/33? Charwoman Sark
Francis B Lilly stepson 9 Scholar St Peter Port
Joseph C Lilly stepson 7 Scholar St Peter Port
Charles W Lilly stepson 2 St Peter Port
and next door is -
Nancy Hammond widow 68 Charwoman Sark
(could this be Elizabeth's mother?)
Catherine :)
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On the 1841 census, do you have him living with Rachel Quer......? a few doors away from possible parents, Jean and Isabella? Just want to make sure I find the right one on the 1851 census....
Catherine :)
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If hes the one with Rachel in 1841, I think this must be him in 1851 (Dont think his parents are the Jean and Isabella I saw on 1841 census, because by 1851 they have a son John born c1847, maybe they're his aunt and uncle?) -
1851 HO107/2531 Folio 139 Page 21
Douit, Vale, Guernsey
Rachel Qu..aipel? widow 60 Pauper St Peter Port
John Le Palourel? grandson 12 Pauper Castel
Regards
Catherine :)
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and heres 1861 -
RG9/4377 Folio 18 Page 2
Clos a. Pre? St Mary de Castro or Catel, Guernsey
Rachel Queripel? widow 79 Charwoman St Pierre Dubois
Rachel dau single 58 Charwoman Catel
Seline Maynard/Marghard (ill?) "daughter to daughter" 16 servant out of situation Catel
John Le Patourel (ill?) "son to daughter" 22 A Lab Catel
(ill?) ? meaning illegitimate? not sure, did Rachel junior call them after their fathers though, as they both have different surnames??
Christening from IGI familysearch site -
Sellina Marguand Queripel 25th June 1845 Catel, Guernsey
Mother - Rachel Queripel
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This could be Francis Lilly in 1881 on board a ship off Kent, England?
RG11/879 Folio 52 Page 1
"Agenoria" North Aylesford, Kent
Frank Leally 20 OS Guernsey
OS = Ordinary Seaman
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Harriett (Joseph's mum) in 1901 -
RG13/5320 Folio 53 Page 10
48 Glatney Esplanade, St Peter Port, Guernsey
John Help 24 Carter Vale Guernsey
Harriet 25 St Peter Port
Jack 2 St Peter Port
Lena 18m St Peter Port
Ivy 3m St Peter Port
(they had 3 rooms in this building, her parents had 2 rooms, also other families living there)
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Thanks for your pms, if you post any queries here, then if I can't find what you're looking for, the other rootschatters will probably be able to help you. (press "reply" at the bottom of this message and a box will come up that you can type your message in)
Did you want Isabel Le Gallez finding on the censuses too? Do you have her marriage certificate showing her age/fathers name?
Good luck with your research
Catherine :)
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Hi Catherine.
I don't have any info on Isabel except that she was b/a 23/1/1902 and married Joseph on 19/9/1918.
As you have said that John was used instead of Jean what other names were used for Joseph? and James? and Pierre? I know that Betsy was used for Elizabeth.
On the 1871 census these kids were from Elizabeth's first marriage to a Lilly.
Maybe the nieghbour was her mother but i have her last name spelled as Hamon but that may be the wrong spelling.
I don't have a Quer or anything the like..now this is really starting to puzzle me.
I do know that Joseph was illegitimate to Harriet Rachel. I'm starting to wonder if maybe John (jean) was too?
I was told that John (Jean) father was called Pierre but no dates which make it hard and since the were no census before it's like looking for a needle.
Maybe someelse knows more?
Talk soon Simone.
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Hi. I'm deperate for ANY information on any Le Patourel's most from Guernsey.
But especially of a James Alfred Le Patourel b/a 1920 d 11/3/1979 married Edith May Duport and of James father Joseph Eli Le Patourel (illegitimate) b/a 1/2/1894 married Isabel Alexander Florence May Le Gallez 1918, Joseph's mother is Harriet Rachel Le Patourel b/a 25/02/1876 (we seem to think that HER father was the father of her child Joseph) Harriet married john Edward Help later.
Sorry for so long a post but i hope someone can help as i'm stuck in the corner.
Thanks Simone
Hi i am the son of the late James alfred le patourel Joseph joseph was illegitmate hes mum was harriet. he lived with hes grandad john who was also called jean we will never now the farther of joseph hes mum harriet did not supply hes farthers name. i have a lot of more info if you require it maybe if i had your adress i could send you all the info that i have. from john le patourel
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hi i am john le patourel son of the late james . joseph mother was harriet she never supplied the farthers name of joseph so he was illegitimate. he was brought up by hes grandfarther harriet farther. whos name was john he was also called jean le patourel he married elizabeth betsy hamon who came from the island of sark. harriet latter married john edward help but john help dident except joseph so he lived with hes grand farther jean le patourel. harriet & john help went on to have 10 children. i have more info could do with your adress send the lot to you
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To all that read this post.I have since been given new information and realize that the afore mentioned fathering of Joseph Le Patourel buy his grandfather Jean Le Patourel was not intirely correct.
I apologize if this has offended any readers as it was not my intention to discredit or disrespect any persons living or past.