RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Elliebob on Monday 30 April 07 22:20 BST (UK)
-
I am trying to find out about the family of Issacher/Isaacher Trudgian/Trudgeon who was born in 1855 in Luxulyan Cornwall. He married Isabella Palmer in Armidale, NSW in 1882 and died there in 1918.
I have found a photo of the family on Glenn Perry's website which was taken by Walter Perroux of Toowoomba. From a Google search I think that it must have been taken between 1899 and 1906. One of the girls in the photo is a double for my son-in-law's sister who is also a Trudgian. I think she may be a 2nd cousin several times removed.
If any one can find anything more about the family in Oz I will be very grateful.
Many, many thanks
Ellen
-
Hi Ellen
Qld BDM information to 1914 is now online
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/IndexSearch.htm
Toowoomba Cemetery data is also online
http://www.toowoomba.qld.gov.au/index.php?option=com_gravefinder&Itemid=46
as is Brisbane
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899
so you may find your name mentioned
Trish
-
Thanks very much Trish
I will look later - at work presently. I may find some of my husband's family who were there too.
Thanks again
Every good wish
Ellen
-
Ellen
I know your post about Issachar Trudgian/Trudgeon was a few years ago but I hope you find my reply. I am in Australia and Issachar Trudgeon was my great grandfather on my father's mother's side. My grandmother, Beatrice Grace, was one of Issachar's daughters.
Please respond with a specific request - what I mean is there anything in particular you are interested in, and I will try to answer. I have some good information from my father about Issachar's life in Australia.
Regards
Carolyn
-
Hi Carolyn, Lovely to hear from you.
I have been researhing the Trudgian family as my grandsons are Trudgians so they can have a complete picture of their ancestry.
They are descended from Issachar's grandparents Joseph Trudgian and Dorothy Mitchell through their son William (1835 - 1918) He died in Treverbyn parish and the family still live there!
I have the 9 children of Issachar and Isabella including some descendants of your grandmother Beatrice but I would be very interested to hear of Issachar's exploits and also what happened to the rest of the family, I guess they were all born and died in Australia. Why did Issachar go to Australia - I know it was quite common for Cornishmen to emigrate at that time.
We live in the next parish to Luxulyan and if there is anything local I can find out for you please let me know.
It seems that the family who remained in Cornwall kept the Trudgian spelling and those who emigrated changed to Trudgeon.
With every best wish, Ellen
-
Ellen
I am relieved that you replied to my message!!! Issacher was my great grandfather on my father's maternal side. He married Isabella Palmer and my grandmother Beatrice Grace was one of their children.
I too don't know why he migrated to Australia but I have found out by carrying out research for my husband's family in North America that when a son wasn't the first born (they get all the family lands usually) they migrated to either another country or, less drastic, migrated to a different part of the country that was opening up new lands.
My parents have undertaken a lot of research and Dad has created a family story that he calls the Saga. Of course the problem is that many people don't think to talk to their elders and record what they have to say until it is too late. I love the family stories. It is great to have at our disposal official records but the family stories put the meat on the bones.
What I can tell you is from this document.
Issacher migrated to Australia in 1879 arriving in Brisbane, Queensland on 20 June. He went from there to Stanthorpe, Queensland to assist Reverend Joseph Beale who was a minister in the Methodist faith. It appears that Issacher corresponded with the Rev. Beale prior to migrating and intended to assist is the church's activities. Apparently, Joseph and Betsey were followers of John Wesley's teachings. His mother passed away in 1877 when he was attending Bible Class and this made deep impression on his life. Eva's pleading with him to dedicate his life to Christian works eventually made him do so.
There is some conflict with his date of birth and Dad says it has been convincingly established he was a twin with Eva. However, others have him born in 1855. If you can find any official records that state when his actual birth date is it would be wonderful.
Two years after arriving in Stanthorpe he moved to Armidale, New South Wales and began working for William Palmer, owner of a brickworks at Brickville, West Armidale, New South Wales. In later life he was described as Tom Trudgeon, brickmaker and miner . . .a native of St Austell, Cornweall. He was on 5' 2" and hence the nickname of Tom from Tom Thumb given to him by his fellow workers.
He married William's daughter Isabellain St Peters Church of England Cathedral, Armidale. Isabella was 19 years old at time and was given permission to marry by her father (Marriage Certificate 8087-1850 - 5 October 1882.). He remained aligned to the Methodist Church despite being married in a Church of England Church. He once said that given the opportunity and eduction he would have entered the ministry in the church of his choice. On 23 July 1893 a new Methodist Church was dedicated in Armidale and Issacher's name was the first entered on the new membership roll. He was tireless in his efforts to strengthen the Christian conscience and performed yeoman service as a lay preacher both the the Bible Class and the church.
Declining health meant Issacher was forced to leave his job at the brickworks (date unknown) and he moved into Armidale town to open up a general store in Beardy Street and a green grocery store in Jesse Street. His death certificate states his occupation as Fruiterer. He died on 25 November 1918 at Armidale and was buried in the Methodist section of the Armidale Cemetery.
Isabella carried on the business for several years and then decided to move to Cessnock, New South Wales to be closer to her daughter Alma and son Normal. Isabella opened a boarding house in Cessnock. She died in Cessnock on 19 May 1954 but was buried in Armidale Cemetery.
Isabella and Issacher had nine children: William Joseph (1884), Beatrice Grace (my grandmother) (1885), Issacher James (1887), Albert Henry 1891), Clarinda Emily (1890), Cecil Knight (the Knight name has been included in every generation to my own) (1893), Alma Eva (1898), Alfred Norman (1903) and Raymond George (1904).
I hope this has whetted your appetite. If I can help with other Australian family member information, please let me know.
Warm regards
Carolyn
-
Hi Carolyn,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. ;D
What a wonderful account you have there for Ellen. I am sure she will be thrilled. I may be able to help:
Looking at the Cornwall Census which is free online, you will find Issacher does not appear to be a twin.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
Regardless of the families following of the teachings of John Wesley Issacher was in fact baptised in the Parish Church of Luxulyan Cornwall (C/E )
TRUDGEON Issacher was baptised 16 Mar 1855 at Luxulyan. parents Joseph and Betsy - Joseph was at that time a labourer of Treskilling. (Batised by C E HOSKEN)
TRUDGEON Lavinia was baptised 5 Oct 1856 Luxulyan daughter of Joseph and Betsy Clay Labourer of Treskilling (Batised by C E HOSKEN)
TRUDGEON Eva was baptised 7 Oct 1858 Luxulyan parents Joseph and Betsy labourer of Treskilling. (Batised by C E HOSKEN)
These records were taken directly from the parish records of Luxulyan which I hold on microfiche.
Cheers Kris :)
-
Looking further
TRUDGEON Mary Knight was baptised Luxulyan 26 Nov 1863 parents Joseph and Betsy - lab of Canna (Batised by C E HOSKEN)
TRUDGEON Sarah Jane was baptised 7 July 1864 Luxulyan parents Joseph and Betsy - Lab of Canna (Batised by C E HOSKEN)
Looks like first child baptised in Roche
TRUDGEON Angelina was baptised 18 Apr 1851 Roche parents Joseph and Elizabeth
Cheers Kris :)
-
Gee Kris I can't believe you responded so quickly. I am glad to say that you have set my mind at rest. I also believed that Issacher and Eva were not twins as I have copies of the family's 1861 and 1871 Census records and it clearly shows four years between them. I am wondering if William and James Knight both born in 1870 were twins though (they are supposed to have both died in the same year as well, in the USA).
I've also realised that Ellen asked for information on other family members and I didn't give her too much there. So tomorrow is another day here on the other side of the world and I will continue the Saga!!
Cheers
Carolyn
-
Hello everyone
Thanks for all the fabulous information. I am having a bit of a rethink with my Trudgian tree as I have discovered a mistake. All the family is the same, but my grandson's line has a wrong connection. I will get back to this when I have sorted out the errors! Meanwhile does anyone have any information on Agnes Fox who married John Honey Trudgian. I have their marriage but can't find a birth for her. According to the census she was born in St Mewan (St Austell) in 1848 and married in Falmouth in 1867. She died in St Austell in 1921. I am going to the Cornwall Record Office on Thursday so hopefully will get more info there.
Back drekkly (in Cornwall that is an unspecified time in the future!!)
Best wishes
Ellen
-
Hi Ellen,
This will certainly give you something to get your teeth into at the records office. ;D
Thought you had me stumpted with this one. She just did not seem to exist at all until after marriage. I have been playing with her for hours.
In 1861 I found a Fanny FOX claiming birth in St Mewan aged 17 but she was all. (nothing for 1851 either)
Eventually I found them (well I think I Have) in 1851 as GRAIG :-\
HO107/1908 Folio 309 Page 5
St Mewan
CRAIG Frederick head 36 b Wadebridge Tin Miner
CRAIG Eliza wife 36 b St Ewe
CRAIG Thomas son 10 b St Ewe
CRAIG Mary dau 9 b St Ewe
CRAIG Fanny dau 8 b St Ewe
CRAIG Eliza dau 5 b St Ewe
CRAIG Agnes dau 2 b St Ewe
CRAIG Frederick Son 3 months b St Mewan
I go back to 1841 and look what I see
HO107/146/8 Folio 42 Page 14
Little Polgooth
St Ewe
FOX Frederick 25 Y T. Miner
Eliza 25 Y
Elizabeth Jenkin 5 Y
Thos Allen 2 Y
Mary Gray/Grag 6 Months Y
there is no ditto for FOX for Eliza or these children (I thought the second names were Surnames but with Eliza having no ditto either they are probably all FOX - FreeCen has them transcribed as FOX)
Well given all this away I go to 1861 again and eventually I find ::)
RG9/1551 Folio 141 Page 13
Sticker
St Mewan
GRAGG Fredrick Head 47 b Wadebridge Miner
GRAGG Eliza Wife 46 b St Ewe Housekeeper
GRAGG Mary Dau 20 b St Ewe Bonet Maker
GRAGG Agness Dau 12 b St Ewe Scholar
GRAGG Fredrick Son 12 b St Mewan Scholar
GRAGG Harriet Dau 7 b St Mewan Scholar
GRAGG Catherine Dau 5 b St Mewan Scholar
Have Fun at the Records Office!
Cheers Kris :)
-
CREGG Agness born Dec 1/4 1848 St Austell 9 28
Cheers Kris :)
-
Unbelievable!!!!
Again I thought the marriage unfindable, when would you believe I find yet another name. :o
PEARCE Frederick Cragg = ALLEN Eliza 21 Nov 1835
It has to be them. Right time for a marriage to fit the 3 children in 1841 - There is the CRAGG again and we see ALLEN as a middle name in that census.
Wonder what on earth is going on. :-\
Cheers Kris :)
-
Frederick is very consistant with a birth in Wadebridge about 1814/5
PEARSE Frederick baptised 19 Jan 1812 St Breock parents William and Mary
Bit earlier than I expected and no middle names but felt this likely when the icing on the cake.
William PEARCE = Mary CRAIG 9 Apr 1809 St Breock
Cheers Kris :)
-
and their first child
PEARCE Elizabeth Jenkin was baptised 28 Aug 1836 St Ewe parents Frederick Cragg and Eliza
Cheers Kris :)
-
another mix of names
CRAGE Frederick Pearce Mar 1/4 1851 St Austell 9 30
and maybe
PEARCE Elizabeth Creg was born Mar 1/4 1841 9 28 (One would think looking at the census that should be Mary)
PEARCE Elizabeth Jenkin Craig died Sep 1/4 1850 St Austell 9 14
Fredericks death looks like it is listed as
CREAGE Frederick Jun 1/4 1869 St Austell 5c 97 aged 54 years
Eliza and family are CRAGE in 1871 at Church Lane St Austell
RG10/2263 Folio 52 Page 4
Cheers Kris :)
-
Thank you so much Kris that will really give me something to work on tomorrow as well as help my daughter with her in-laws family! I don't think I would have found all that you did if I sat here until next week!!
Thanks again, Ellen
-
Ok Elliebob I know this has taken me time to get back to you but here we are:
Australian Trudgeons from Issacher
William Joseph born 1884 married Gertrude Booth and they lived in Scone NSW. He was a cabinet maker and undertaker.
Beatrice Grade born 12 April 1885 and lived all her life in Armidale except for a period at Gatwych and Dangarsleigh. During 1890 at the age of 4 years and 6 months she was enrolled as a pupil of a brand new public primary school in Rusden Street, West Armidale. She outlived that school which had stood for 76 years and was then replaced in 1966 by the Drummond Memorial School. Beatrice was an honoured guest when the new building was opened being 81 years old and the oldest living ex-pupil of the West Armidale School.
The name Drummondd in NSW is synonymnous with education and no more so than in Armidale, long acclaimed as a city of schools colleges churches cathedrals and a university. Hon D. Henry Drummond, Minister for Education was the leading light in establishing the Armidale Teachers College and the New England University. Grace Watson said It was a great honour for a great man. Mr Drummond had always been a close friend of my family. He as done a lot for eduation especially in Armidale.
As Grace grew up under the influence of her father she developed a deep interest in many church activities.
About the turn of the century a young man called William Watson became associated with the Watson family and for some time was given shelter in one of the barns on the Trudgeon property. William and Grace became close friends and on 27 September 1905 when Beatrice Grace was 20 years old they wer married in the Armidale Wesley Methodist Church.
More on the family to come.
Carolyn
-
Thanks so much Carolyn. It's really great to have extra information which was handed down in the the family.
Kris, I went to the record office and didn't find very much more information than you did, so I sent for Agnes and John's marriage certificate. Her father is stated as Frederick Fox and John was a mariner which would explain why they were in Falmouth. They were married in the parish church but instead of the "Established" church it had been crossed out and "Catholic" put in and the officiant was described as "priest". Do you think this would mean that it was Roman Catholic as I know that the RC church would not have necessarily licensed for marriages in 1867.
i also have the birth certificate for Agness Cragg and her parents are Frederick Cragg and Eliza (nee Allen) i am really intrigued as to why they kept on changing names and where the Fox came from. The Fox family in Cornwall was quite prominent!!
Thanks to all for your help and interest.
Best wishes, Ellen
-
Hi Ellen,
Yes the constant name changes fascinates me also. (Three so different names) Pity you did not discover anything further at the records office. :'(
Prior to the onset of civil registration, marriages could only be performed in the Established (C/E) Church. That changed with the onset of civil registration, when after July 1837 Non Conformist Chapels, The Catholic Church and Registers Offices also became licenced to perform marriages. Possibly the priest did not have his own Church in the area but was licenced to perform marriages, and was granted permission to use the facilities of the Parish Church. (including their forms)
http://www.ukmarriages.org/after1837.htm
Cheers Kris :)
-
Ellen
I know it has been some time since I posted but here I am with more information on Issacher Trudgeon's family.
After Beatrice Grace came Issacher James born on 1 October 1887 in
Armidale. At the age of 20 he was involved in an accident with a horse and died on 28 January 1908.
Albert Henry was born in 1891 in Armidale and at the age of 13 started working in a draper store in Armidale owned by Mr Percival. At 16 he became apprenticed to a blacksmith and almost five years later became a journeyman to Mr Saunders in Guyra. He then moved to Port Macquarie and Bangalow (quite some distance apart). In Bangalow he met the Newtown family of Coopers Shoot and during 1916 married Constance Floria Newtown. Albert and Constance were cousins. Their three sons were all born while the family lived at Alstonville where Albert had established a blacksmith and wheelwright business and then a motor garage was added to the business. During 1915 Albert bought a blacksmith shop at Rous Mill, Bangalow and his borther Cecil Knight Trudgeon was a co-worker. In 1917 Albert sold this business and moved to Alstonville. Albert was civic minded and he assisted in the revival of the local cricket club and formed a boy scout group is Alstonville all while running his business. His personal interests extended to lawn bowls, playing the piano, organ and french horn and judging at flower shows. He died at Bonalbo in November 1982 and his obituary was published in the local press.
Clarinda Emily was born on 2 January 1890 in Armidale but died on 11 January 1891.
Cecil Knight was born in 1893 in Armidale. Events of his early life remain unknown until he started working with his brother in 1915. He then joined the Army to serve in World War 1. When he returned from France after being discharged early because of a medical condition (French fever) he recommenced work with Albert. He married Dora Everingham and had a daughter. Cecil died some time during 1925.
Alma Eva was born on 2 September 1898 and when she was about 17 or 18 worked with Isabella in a tea shop and general store in Armidale. She married Harold Williams a local carpenter who developed a lung complaint and died soon after being married. Alma married Frederick Cresswell also a carpenter some years later and moved to Cessnock. He was a carpenter in one of the coal mines at Cessnock and became a respected union delegate. Alma died in a Cessnock nursing home on 3 September 1990.
Alfred Norman was born in 1903 in Armidale. He was employed as a carpenter at one of Cessnock's coal mines as well. He married Pearl Elwood at Cessnock and they had four children.
Raymond George was born during 1904 in Armidale and for some time was employed by the New South Wales State Railway as a guard on the run between Armidale and Werris Creek. He married Rene Bolton - they had no children. Ray was promoted to Sydney and lived in Neutral Bay until he died in 1979.
Warm regards
Carolyn
-
Hi Carolyn
Thanks for all that info. It will give me some work to do to get all that onto the family tree. It is a labour of love for my grandsons as our daughter has recently split up with her Trudgian husband. I still have an academic interest in the family though and want the boys to have a sense of their family.
Many thanks again and best wishes, Ellen
-
Carolyn & Ellen,
F.Y.I.;
I recently discovered that Issachar appears to have been born during 1854.
Per St. Cath's Index an "Issachar Trugen" birth was registered during the June Quarter, 1854 in the Bodmin Registration District, Cornwall. Luxulyan is located about 12km/7.5miles south of Bodmin, so in consideration of repeat Census references to Issachar being b. in Luxulyan, it is reasonable to assume that Luxulyan was located within the Bodmin Registration District.
In due course we must check the Passenger List for the "Earl Derby" - inwards shipping to Brisbane on 20 June, 1879 after 3 months at sea, departed London 15 March, 1879 - per Brisbane Courier, 21 June, 1879.
Regards,
Clarke.
-
Hi Clarke, Welcome to Rootschat.
I can confirm that Luxulyan was in the Bodmin registration district. Latterly it has been in the St Austell district and now the whole of Cornwall is one district. Not good news for future family historians!
I live about 2 miles from Luxulyan.
Thanks for your help. Best wishes
Ellen
-
Hi Carolyn,
My records have "Constance Floria NEWTON" rather than "Constance Floria NEWTOWN." Possibly just a typo' in one or the other, could you please check your records and let me/us know?
Regards,
Clarke.
-
Hi Clarke
Yes got your final message. I am on my L plates as well!!!! Will check this out and get back to you. I got this information from my father whose maternal relations are Trudgeons. It could quite possibly be a misspelling. Will let you know what I find out anyway.
Cheers
Carolyn
-
Hi, This thread is old but I am also a descendant of William Palmer from Armidale. Be interested in making contact. Cheers,
Michael O'Neill
-
From my research it seems that the Trudgians and Trudgeons are mostly descended from the Trrudgians in St Stephen in Brannel. The spelling just seems to have changed over the years.
Best wishes
Ellen
-
Government immigration records confirm the arrival to Australia in 1879 of a "Trudgeon" (same age as our "Issachar") whose forename is a phonetic variation of "Issachar" - i.e., "Hezekiah." No doubt in my mind that the scribe meant well, but simply got the spelling wrong.
SURNAME Given Name Age Ship Date Location Page M/film 1
TRUDGEON Hezekiah 23 Earl Derby 20 Jun 1879 IMM/116 279 Z1959
The Brisbane Courier (Qld.) confirms the arrival of the "Earl Derby" on Friday 20 June 1879.
Regards, Clarke.
-
Issachar's Baptism has at last been found, it has eluded many researchers for some years. The Cornwall On-line Parish Clerk has been kind enough to transcribe the Luxulyan PR containing the following;
:: Record Details ::
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2295296
DAY MONTH: 16-Mar
YEAR: 1855
PARISH OR REG DISTRICT: Luxulyan
FORENAME: Isaacker?
SURNAME: TRUDGEON
SEX: son
FATHER FORENAME: Joseph
MOTHER FORENAME: Betsy
RESIDENCE: Treskilling
FATHER RANK PROFESSION: labourer
NOTES:
TRANSCRIBER NOTES:
TRANSCRIBER: Karen Duvall
FILE ID: mc840_bap_kd
Seems that after Issachar's birth in 1854 the family moved from Bodmin to Treskilling. I believe that the spelling of his forename is to be corrected to "Issacher" in the transcription.
What a helpful website for Cornish researchers!